#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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ifmanis5

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Interesting from Florio today: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/17/third-party-brief-in-brady-case-focuses-on-integrity-of-sport/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

As #DelfateGate lingers, and as more legitimate questions are raised regarding the flaws in the NFL’s case against Brady and the Patriots, it’s becoming more clear that the investigation has done far more damage to the league than whatever it was that the Patriots were or weren’t doing. Nearly a year later, we still don’t know what the Patriots were doing. But we definitely know that the NFL has failed to make a persuasive case that the Patriots were doing something wrong.
 

dhappy42

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It's almost irrelevant whether the data show the Patriots' pressure drops are of the magnitude that happens in other nearly identical games. That issue will bring us back down the rabbit hole of "which gauge" did they start with, and the problem of measuring 4 balls against 11, etc. and can be debated endlessly.
We may be headed down that rabbit hole again anyway. Professor Rober Blecker's amicus curiae brief to the appeals court basically accuses the NFL, Wells and Exponent of fraud for rejecting the ref's recollection of which gauge he used then using deception to justify the decision and conceal their bias.

http://thewhitebronco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Deflategate-Amicus.pdf

The brief also accuses the NFL and Wells of lying, though Blecker doesn't use that word, for claiming to have measured the four Colts balls immediately after the 11 Patriots balls, then re-inflating the Pats balls, when it's obvious that they waited to the last minute to check the Colts balls, after they'd had 10-12 minutes to warm up to room temperature.
 

Al Zarilla

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Again with the "weighed".

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Lisa Kraus Edwards @LAKEdwards


League source tells me footballs at #TENvsNE will be weighed before, at half & postgame. It's random.. but 1st time this season at #Patriots

9:52 AM - 20 Dec 2015
After all the MIT and other college professors, and professor Belichick himself with his Mona Lisa Vito speech, anybody who thinks they weigh the balls ought to be fired. No verbal, no written warnings, just fired.
 

riboflav

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Weighed...sigh. One thing I've learned from all this is that sports reporters on the whole are fucking stupid.
Yes and so are the fans which is why I said upthread that no Patriots fan should want the NFL to leak anything related to inflation levels this year.
 

djbayko

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Yes and so are the fans which is why I said upthread that no Patriots fan should want the NFL to leak anything related to inflation levels this year.
It would be awesome if they released the weights of all the balls pre-game, at half time, and post-game and announced that they are still investigating why every ball this year appears to be well under the prescribed 12 pounds.
 
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MarcSullivaFan

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I wonder who her source is. Presumably not the Pats, because I doubt the league gives prior notice of "random" inspections. So, it must be someone from the league. Which is sort of intriguing, because it suggests some dissension among the ranks. I cant imagine that would go over well with Vincent, Kensil et al.
 

amarshal2

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She didn't give one. She said everyone arguing the semantics of it is making a mountain out of a molehill (which sums up #DFG) and that the word was used for a reason.
That reason being that she was too uninformed then and still is now to understand her error. The only other possible explanation is that the NFL is literally weighing footballs which is something so stupid even they haven't done it before.
 

snowmanny

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1) Early on a piece of evidence cited (by idiots) against Brady was that he should be able to tell if a football weighed two pounds less;
2) God forbid we have an expectation that professional writers will choose words that mean whatever it is they want to say and not words that mean some other completely different thing.
 

AB in DC

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Alternatively, the NFL may be on a binge of bureaucratic thoroughness and basically took every possible measurement of the footballs that they can think of.
 

amarshal2

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Alternatively, the NFL may be on a binge of bureaucratic thoroughness and basically took every possible measurement of the footballs that they can think of.
Except of course recording the time of measurement which was left out of the new protocols they announced during the off-season.
 

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That reason being that she was too uninformed then and still is now to understand her error. The only other possible explanation is that the NFL is literally weighing footballs which is something so stupid even they haven't done it before.
Or maybe they think that since the Patriots steal all those PSIs from the footballs to make them easier to grip, they need to replace them with something else heavier like lead to make them travel farther! o_O
 

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GJGE.
BOSTON (CBS) — If you’re one to think the NFL front office is full of incompetent, bumbling idiots, your case just got a hilarious new piece of evidence.

After filing its latest DeflateGate appeal brief, the league was forced to refile after it violated the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure (FRAP) as well as the “court’s local rules” because the cover of their appeal was the wrong color.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/12/30/covergate-nfl-forced-to-refile-deflategate-appeal-over-wrong-color-cover/?cid=facebook_98.5_The_Sports_Hub
 

PedroKsBambino

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Well, it is amusing but has little to do with NFL front office---it isn't the job of anyone there to get local court rules right, that is a combination of Clement and the NY firm doing the filing.
 

Myt1

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I just . . . This is pretty much an impossible mistake to make for an experienced appellate lawyer. I'm trying to come up with an analogy. It's like showing up to an away game with only your home colors.
 

Bleedred

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I just . . . This is pretty much an impossible mistake to make for an experienced appellate lawyer. I'm trying to come up with an analogy. It's like showing up to an away game with only your home colors.
Wait....weren't all the lawyers here saying that Clement is the Babe Ruth of appellate lawyers? I guess he doesn't have to follow the FRAP to be great (I'm only kidding...I know it's a silly mistake that has no bearing on his appellate acumen).
 

WayBackVazquez

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Yeah some fourth year and a managing attorney are getting fucking killed for this right now.
I'm sure everyone in the chain got bitched out by the person above him for not supervising, but one does expect that the legal assistant would know to put the right cover on the hard copy. Truth is, this is handled by the court's admin clerk, and the judges never know (or care) about it.