TomRicardo said:
Ummm the NFL would look like complete idiots if this was true.
It seems like something is wrong and the NFL doesn't know what to do. The backlash on not finding a smoking gun or the PSI being .2 would be staggering for NFL. HOW DARE THEY NOT KINDLE OUR FIRE OF HATRED FOR THE PATS
I did not know that.Marciano490 said:Does anyone know the full protocol for checking the balls? Like, in boxing, your opponent's cornerman watches you get your hands wrapped and then they're x'ed by the ref. Do the Colts get to watch the Pats balls get tested, or do the refs just do it in the Pats locker room or a third, dedicated room?
BostonFan23 said:Someone told me the refs test the balls hours before the games, then they go back into the team's possession, leaving time for tampering. True? Source?
It seems like something is wrong and the NFL doesn't know what to do. The backlash on not finding a smoking gun or the PSI being .2 would be staggering for NFL.
Marciano490 said:Does anyone know the full protocol for checking the balls? Like, in boxing, your opponent's cornerman watches you get your hands wrapped and then they're x'ed by the ref. Do the Colts get to watch the Pats balls get tested, or do the refs just do it in the Pats locker room or a third, dedicated room?
BostonFan23 said:Someone told me the refs test the balls hours before the games, then they go back into the team's possession, leaving time for tampering. True? Source?
Marciano490 said:Does anyone know the full protocol for checking the balls? Like, in boxing, your opponent's cornerman watches you get your hands wrapped and then they're x'ed by the ref. Do the Colts get to watch the Pats balls get tested, or do the refs just do it in the Pats locker room or a third, dedicated room?
Marciano490 said:Does anyone know the full protocol for checking the balls? Like, in boxing, your opponent's cornerman watches you get your hands wrapped and then they're x'ed by the ref. Do the Colts get to watch the Pats balls get tested, or do the refs just do it in the Pats locker room or a third, dedicated room?
I did not know that.Marciano490 said:Does anyone know the full protocol for checking the balls? Like, in boxing, your opponent's cornerman watches you get your hands wrapped and then they're x'ed by the ref. Do the Colts get to watch the Pats balls get tested, or do the refs just do it in the Pats locker room or a third, dedicated room?
Annnnnnnd DRINKBostonFan23 said:Someone told me the refs test the balls hours before the games, then they go back into the team's possession, leaving time for tampering. True? Source?
Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm convinced that a variation of this is what happened. I have a hard time believing Anderson sat there 2 hours before the game with a needle and pressure gauge checking 48 footballs plus however many for the kicking game. I think they just give them the feel test and maybe spot check one or two for each team before OKing all of them. The league can't really come out and say they didn't check the balls because that makes them and their officials look bad.Shelterdog said:
Another theory. The refs lied when first asked if they checked them all and now the NFL is trying to figure what to do. [This is why they can't show tampering--you could argue that the ball went from 12.5-10.5 because of tampering just because it's too much of a drop even if you're not sure how the tampering occurred, but if you've got no baseline how do you show anything?]
If the refs say they checked out beforehand, there's pretty strong circumstantial evidence of tampering.BroodsSexton said:Honestly, why should they even be fined if there's no evidence of tampering, and the refs say the balls checked out?
BroodsSexton said:Honestly, why should they even be fined if there's no evidence of tampering, and the refs say the balls checked out?
cshea said:Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm convinced that a variation of this is what happened. I have a hard time believing Anderson sat there 2 hours before the game with a needle and pressure gauge checking 48 footballs plus however many for the kicking game. I think they just give them the feel test and maybe spot check one or two for each team before OKing all of them. The league can't really come out and say they didn't check the balls because that makes them and their officials look bad.
If the refs say they checked out beforehand, there's pretty strong circumstantial evidence of tampering.
Clears Cleaver said:
Realization for Pats fans: Brady is now guilty in minds of most fans and media. That won't change before the Super Bowl.
Res ipsa!!!111BroodsSexton said:Honestly, why should they even be fined if there's no evidence of tampering, and the refs say the balls checked out?
Beat me by a minutecshea said:Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm convinced that a variation of this is what happened. I have a hard time believing Anderson sat there 2 hours before the game with a needle and pressure gauge checking 48 footballs plus however many for the kicking game. I think they just give them the feel test and maybe spot check one or two for each team before OKing all of them. The league can't really come out and say they didn't check the balls because that makes them and their officials look bad.
Yeah, but it would explain this thing being dragged out as long as it has. The league doesn't know what to do. Blame themselves and their officials, or the team playing for the Championship? No easy answer for them.Ed Hillel said:
Officials may look bad, but having your potential SB champs look like cheaters doesn't help either. If the refs fudged this, I think they will ultimately own up to it.
What type of French bread? This type?OilCanShotTupac said:My hands are tiny but I have a penis like a French bread so I like disproving that old saw
"Oh yeah??" *thump*
moondog80 said:If the refs say they checked out beforehand, there's pretty strong circumstantial evidence of tampering.
cshea said:Maybe I'm being ignorant, but I'm convinced that a variation of this is what happened. I have a hard time believing Anderson sat there 2 hours before the game with a needle and pressure gauge checking 48 footballs plus however many for the kicking game. I think they just give them the feel test and maybe spot check one or two for each team before OKing all of them. The league can't really come out and say they didn't check the balls because that makes them and their officials look bad.
54thMA said:
Well, I guess as a Patriots fan, I'm just going to have to learn to live with that disappointment, just like you as a Dolphins fan have to learn to live with the disappointment that your team hasn't been relevant in over twenty years.
That was freaking awesome
How about "find out what happened," which this team of bumblefucks can't do to save their own lives?cshea said:Yeah, but it would explain this thing being dragged out as long as it has. The league doesn't know what to do. Blame themselves and their officials, or the team playing for the Championship? No easy answer for them.
I look at it this way: everyone already thinks Goodell is a liar. If he comes out and admits his officials made a very human mistake by not checking the PSI of the balls, it may actually improve his image by proving he does have the ability to admit when the league is at fault.cshea said:Yeah, but it would explain this thing being dragged out as long as it has. The league doesn't know what to do. Blame themselves and their officials, or the team playing for the Championship? No easy answer for them.
Still waiting...............kartvelo said:Oh, and.... I'm still waiting for the first shred of evidence of any wrongdoing on anyone's part.
The Colts balls make for a decent control group, and they apparently showed no change. And keep in mind the burden of proof is lower than in a court of law.Harry Hooper said:
You would have to run a batch of games in similar conditions to the Pats game and do testing of a bunch of footballs {ideally from the same Wilson lot and prepared just as Brady liked} at halftime to have some confidence that the results observed from Sunday's testing are really outliers.
Ed Hillel said:
Officials may look bad, but having your potential SB champs look like cheaters doesn't help either. If the refs fudged this, I think they will ultimately own up to it.
Silverdude2167 said:Chris Kluwe talking about how stupid this all is. Larger picture not caring about if they cheated.
http://time.com/3679079/patriots-under-inflated-balls-deflategate-nfl-scandal/
Well, you do want an upper limit because punters and field goal kickers love overinflated balls. But then, there are separate footballs for kicking. You do have to have some standard though. Some team might find a QB with 15 inch hands and he'd want them at 15 PSI. And, 4.5 would look flaccid.rodderick said:Once again, can anyone explain to me why these limits even exist when teams are allowed to bring their own balls? If I want to play with a 4.5 psi football, who is hurt by that?
I seriously thought Brunnell was gonna cry. He almost made Bettis cry too. Fuck all those knuckleheads. Like the rest of America, they got nothing substantial to base their opinions on except some balls didn't measure up. Anything else? Anyone? Bueller?E5 Yaz said:I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that Mark Brunnell, Jerome Bettis and Brian Dawkins think Brady is lying
He's too good for that. I hope he works for the pats on some capacity or focuses on philanthropy or somethingLoneWarrior1 said:"The floor now recognizes the Junior Senator from Massachusetts, Thomas Brady." He's going to have a long career in politics if he wants one.
Al Zarilla said:Well, you do want an upper limit because punters and field goal kickers love overinflated balls. But then, there are separate footballs for kicking. You do have to have some standard though. Some team might find a QB with 15 inch hands and he'd want them at 15 PSI. And, 4.5 would look flaccid.
moondog80 said:The Colts balls make for a decent control group, and they apparently showed no change. And keep in mind the burden of proof is lower than in a court of law.
Your comments over the last 2 days have shown that your mind has been made up from minute 1.Bob420 said:I find this hard to believe. Why would he have a specific number like 12.5 that he likes? If he can't tell the difference, how does he like that specific number? Seems pretty convenient that someone who can't tell the difference between 10.5 and 13.5 said he likes the exact number at the bottom of the acceptable range.
Kevin Youkulele said:I assume any penalty that may be assessed against Brady can be appealed to an independent arbitrator under the CBA terms. Unless there's a smoking gun (ballboy says Brady told him to deflate), he'd have a good shot at getting it thrown out for lack of evidence.
Does anyone know what if any appeal rights Belichick or the team would have?