#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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riboflav

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Harry Hooper said:
 
 
She really came up short this week. As a big fan, I'm very disappointed in her.
 
This week was not the first time. She has ripped BB throughout the years ever since she wrote the Ted Johnson concussion story.
 

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Van Everyman said:
For me, this was set in motion last night. After letting his flagship franchise twist in the wind during Super Bowl week he breaks his silence with a Shock and Awe legal and forensic investigation team to get to the bottom of a phony crisis, with no presumption of innocence or sense of proportion.

It simply demonstrated that Goodell is so burdened by past failures that he has lost all sense of proportion, credibility and moral authority.

One way or another, he's done.
 
The Commish is a reactionary putz locked in that NFL HQ/NYC bubble. Everyone around him screams about the Pats, and he jumps accordingly. Most likely he still messes this up further.
 

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Come to think of it. It's interesting how the same media that fellated Auerbach for all his "gamesmanship" are the same ones wanting BB punished for his arrogance - Ryan, CHB, Mac.
 

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johnmd20 said:
 
Great story. In this day and age, many people have no interest in getting dirty and figuring shit out. Instead, it's ass covering and risk avoidance, at the expense of everything, including production.
 
Sometimes, a person just has to take an action and see what the result is going to be. You cannot avoid a negative outcome every single time, in every single situation. 
I blame lawyers. Heyooo

There was a book (and Im drawing a blank on the name currently) a couple years back that posited next gen workers would be better off because of their experience with video games. A lot of video games reward reward repeated efforts that mostly fail because the only way to succeed in the game is to keep trying different and often novel approaches. But I personally have yet to ser this materialize. Safer is better. I guess despite being last in his class Custer still had some good insight.
 

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The amount of coverage this has received would be warranted (maybe) if we were talking about point shaving or bribing officials.

I mean, Joe Paterno's wins were
reinstated and it was barely a blip.

In the NFL, it was revealed that te Steelers hired a fixer to make legal issues go away. Nobody cared!
 

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Tomorrow will be one full week since the game. Still zero evidence of any actual wrongdoing presented by anyone. Which "news" organization will be the first to make the following their lead story, as they made "Deflategate" this past week?
- WE APOLOGIZE -
We are embarrassed to admit that in our coverage of the so-called "Deflategate scandal" over the past week, we repeatedly reported assumption and speculation as fact, with no corroboration whatsoever. Further, we drew multiple insupportable conclusions from those unreliable premises while ignoring simple rules of logic, and called for innocent persons and organizations to receive punishment for events that, it now appears, never occurred. In doing so, we acted irresponsibly, becoming ourselves the very antithesis of what we, as journalists, must stand for. In our eagerness to rush "the story" out to you, we never challenged our own or others' assumptions, we neglected to do basic fact checking, and we never corroborated our sources or sought out credible evidence for any of the accusations made. We allowed ourselves to become caught up in the mob frenzy that somehow rose up around this non-story, and such behavior is inexcusable from any organization that purports to provide the news.
 
 
The bolded is the absolute worst. Way too many people in the media, especially in the sports media, and further especially idiots like Kravitz, will run anything, sometimes ridiculous allegations, based on a single source, like they're Woodward and Bernstein, not realizing that a lot of people have axes to grind. But unless your source is comparable to Mark fucking Felt, you need to get that story confirmed with another source. Once something like this is out there it's so damaging to people's reputations and the writers don't give a shit about it, when the only person they are helping is that shitty source. And shit, even Felt had an ax to grind
 

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Oh, I'm sure that will all just add fuel to the fire.

"THEY MUST HAVE KNOWN!"
 

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Harry Hooper said:
 
The Commish is a reactionary putz locked in that NFL HQ/NYC bubble. Everyone around him screams about the Pats, and he jumps accordingly. Most likely he still messes this up further.
He is a reactionary putz. He also reportedly hates Belichick and is still pissed Belichick wasn't remorseful enough about spygate in his eyes.


I'm not sure Kraft had any say in this press conference. I think this was Bill having enough of his name and his team getting dragged through the mud.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
Line moved to Pats -1.5.
 
Belichick just scared the shit out of Vegas and/or rallied the Pats bettors.
 
Read somewhere a little while ago that even as they've moved the line money is not coming in on Seattle.
 

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Bob420 said:
 Against the spirit of the rule? Probably but what does that mean anyway?
 
Here's what it means Bob. It means you're going to continue to make the same point 45 more times.
 
 

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I'm hoping Nfl films was there between 2:30 and 3

Pats: roger we are holding an emergency press conference in 5 min regarding how I handle my balls
NFL: great glad to hear your are coming clean. Who was it?
Pats: Actually Roger we didn't do shit and can prove it so I'm going to tell the NFL and the media to go fuck themselves in a few minutes since the NFL office is a joke.
NFL: can you delay until 3? We need to put Mark Brunnel on suicide watch and call GMa, Today Show and The View ASAP.
 

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It will be interesting to see if any of the media types come out and admit that they may have been wrong in thinking the Patriots did anything untoward here.  I doubt they will and I suspect those who do will add grudgingly that the Patriots don't deserve the benefit of the doubt due to spygate etc.  I am not holding my breath of course.
 
A couple of lessons that we should take away from this whole thing:
 
1.  Kristy Swanson is hot at any weight, even if she is a home-wrecker
2.  The media repeatedly reminded us that many of their members are stupid, lazy and not remotely interested in pursuing the truth
3.  A good clean scandal is fun.  Anyone who thinks this tarnishes the NFL is crazy.  This dominated the news cycle for a good, long week, nobody died (except maybe Mark Brunell, a little bit inside), nobody got hurt and even people who could care less about football talked about this.  The Superbowl, which needs no help in the viewing department, is likely to see an even larger audience than it otherwise would have because of this "story".  Goodell not tamping it down may not have been deliberate but its worked brilliantly.
4.  BB's presser won't change anything for those people who hate the Patriots and think they cheated.   I don't even bother with those folks.  Haters and all that...
5.  This thread has been fantastic.  Thanks to a lot of you for the amusing posts and well thought out explanations.  I also salute those who threatened to quit on the Patriots, panicked or got all emotional about this "story".  You were good reads too.
6.  I cannot wait for this damn game.  By The Time I Get To Arizona...
 
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Wouldn't it be ironic, if the Pats stomp Seattle, and afterward Pats players point to BB's performance today as having been an inspiration?
 
Of all the things that might tip the team toward victory, a BB press conference would rank as the most unlikely.
 

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To those who said fuck BB and this franchise for cheating: do you still feel that way?

For the record I voted they didn't cheat in the first poll.
 

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Anyone tracking the blacklist?
 
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Chris Kluwe
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Adam Schefter
Doug Kyed
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Rich Eisen
Steve Czaban
Bill Barnwell
Robert Mays
Don Banks
KC Joyner
Jim Daopoulos
Michael Holley
Dan Wetzel
Tom E. Curran
 
Boomer Esiason and Carton have been very supportive of this being a non-story since the get go. Also, Matt Chatham needs to be on this list. Brady Quinn also. Bruschi, of course. And Reiss has been down the middle and was positive today about BB's PC.
 
EDIT: And cannot forget Michael Irvin. He was very supportive of the Patriots' side this week.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
It will be interesting to see if any of the media types come out and admit that they may have been wrong in thinking the Patriots did anything untoward here.  I doubt they will and I suspect those who do will add grudgingly that the Patriots don't deserve the benefit of the doubt due to spygate etc.  I am not holding my breath of course.
 
Good post.
 
Most reporters won't even remember what they said or wrote.  They's just say they're covering an investigation as King tweeted.  
 
I'm more curious about the ex-players, like Aikman.  How do you call Brady a liar and then face him, or even other players?  As Bledsoe implied, it's like breaking a code.  And if you break the code on this you'd better be right.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
6.  I cannot wait for this damn game.  By The Time I Get To Arizona...
 
Nice hat tip to Public Enemy, which is basically what the Pats seem like these days. 
 
I hope they show up like the Bomb Squad they are and rip shit up. 
 

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riboflav said:
Anyone tracking the blacklist?
 
 
Boomer Esiason and Carton have been very supportive of this being a non-story since the get go. Also, Matt Chatham needs to be on this list. Brady Quinn also. Bruschi, of course. And Reiss has been down the middle and was positive today about BB's PC.
 
EDIT: And cannot forget Michael Irvin. He was very supportive of the Patriots' side this week.
 
Updated.  But if we were to track a blacklist it'd probably crash the thread like those transcripts a few pages ago.
 

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Good post.
 
Most reporters won't even remember what they said or wrote.  They's just say they're covering an investigation as King tweeted.  
 
I'm more curious about the ex-players, like Aikman.  How do you call Brady a liar and then face him, or even other players?  As Bledsoe implied, it's like breaking a code.  And if you break the code on this you'd better be right.
The Aikman hatred of Brady makes a lot of sense.
Brady is well known to have loved Joe Montana and Steve Young's playing style. enough to almost entirely emulate it.
This actually gets brought up every time Brady has a good game regular season or playoffs (so, you know, almost incessantly), and must really annoy Aikman.
 
Furthermore, Tom Brady is no Peyton Manning, The same Peyton that may or may not be sharing strawberry Daqs with Troy even as i type this.
 

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I highly recommend that everyone read Bob Kravitz's Twitter.  I had no idea it was possible to double down on 26.
 

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One way out for the NFL and the Commish.
 
"While we take very seriously any accusations of wrongdoing, we have learned through mistakes that were made and acknowledged, that commenting publicly or reaching conclusions before all facts are known in any investigation is not a recipe to finding the truth. While we understand that the media and fans want answers to their questions as soon as they are asked, it is clear that that is not reasonably possible in such complex matters. As of now, after a thorough investigation that the league was determined would not be influenced by public outcry for an answer, we have found absolutely no evidence of wrongdoing by the new England Patriots or anyone within that organization. Any rush to judgement was not a product of the NFL, and our silence on the matter was designed simply to ensure that when we did comment, we had every piece of information needed to provide a definitive response."
 
Or something like that.... Not holding my breath, but as clueless as Goodell seems to be, there has got to be people on the NFL payroll who realize it's time to put this bullshit to bed.   
 

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soxfanSJCA said:
The Aikman hatred of Brady makes a lot of sense.
Brady is well known to have loved Joe Montana and Steve Young's playing style. enough to almost entirely emulate it.
This actually gets brought up every time Brady has a good game regular season or playoffs (so, you know, almost incessantly), and must really annoy Aikman.
 
Furthermore, Tom Brady is no Peyton Manning, The same Peyton that may or may not be sharing strawberry Daqs with Troy even as i type th
 
You make a great point.  Why hasn't anyone asked Peyton for his take yet?   
 

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Per ESPN Michelle Seele outside Blade: Pats fielded 50+ calls from locals scientists and other academics offering help to solve issue.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Rog.
 

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staz said:
Per ESPN Michelle Seele outside Blade: Pats fielded 50+ calls from locals scientists and other academics offering help to solve issue.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Rog.
HA.....
 

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speedracer said:
I highly recommend that everyone read Bob Kravitz's Twitter.  I had no idea it was possible to double down on 26.
 
He basically exemplifies everything that's wrong with how the media is handling this in four tweets.
 
He brings up the Colts' balls 
He says he (Kravitz) doesn't know anything about science - "more of a liberal arts guy"
He jokes that BB is too smart 
He concludes that we all learned nothing new today
 

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Just thank god that years ago the League abandoned playing SBs a week after the conference championship games.

Think today was more about getting players focused and heads screwed on straight than anything else. They have not been sequestered like a jury and have been exposed to the same shit as everyone else when they go home at night. They are not robots.

It's a damn shame, but you can a fuck ton accomplished in a week, and I expect the Pats will.

BTW, whatever the outcome of the game, I don't think Kraft lets this one go. Nor should he.

Decent people in the game -- the Maras, Rooneys, etc -- are not going to be amused. If Kraft runs this to ground, it could be the end of Goodell. Without drawing a straight line, owners may quietly dump him over the summer.
 

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staz said:
Per ESPN Michelle Seele outside Blade: Pats fielded 50+ calls from locals scientists and other academics offering help to solve issue.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Rog.
 
I agree this entire thing is horseshit, but I'm sure the NFL also had dozens of calls of local scientists willing to prove the other side
 

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riboflav said:
 
He basically exemplifies everything that's wrong with how the media is handling this in four tweets.
 
He brings up the Colts' balls 
He says he (Kravitz) doesn't know anything about science - "more of a liberal arts guy"
He jokes that BB is too smart 
He concludes that we all learned nothing new today
Well he basically is doing a double down opposite of Bill's double down, except this guy is known to be a hack and as biased as they come.   For Bill to basically go out and say screw you to the league, prove it or shut up, I have to believe he is far too smart to be playing a losing hand here.
 

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speedracer said:
I highly recommend that everyone read Bob Kravitz's Twitter.  I had no idea it was possible to double down on 26.
I highly recommend that no one give him any clicks, and allow him to dig the hole even deeper. Though I understand why feeding the troll has its appeal....
 

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dcmissle said:
Just thank god that years ago the League abandoned playing SBs a week after the conference championship games.
Think today was more about getting players focused and heads screwed on straight than anything else. They have not been sequestered like a jury and have been exposed to the same shit as everyone else when they go home at night. They are not robots.
It's a damn shame, but you can a duck ton accomplished in a week, and I expect the Pats will.
BTW, whatever the outcome of the game, I don't think Kraft lets this one go. Not should he.
Decent people in the game -- the Maras, Rooneys, etc -- are not going to be amused. If Kraft runs this to ground, it could be the end of Goodell. Without drawing a straight line, owners may quietly dump him over the summer.
The decent Rooneys are the same ones with a multiple timed accused rapist at QB and face of the franchise right?
 

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riboflav said:
 
He basically exemplifies everything that's wrong with how the media is handling this in four tweets.
 
He brings up the Colts' balls 
He says he (Kravitz) doesn't know anything about science - "more of a liberal arts guy"
He jokes that BB is too smart 
He concludes that we all learned nothing new today
He also states:
https://twitter.com/bkravitz/status/559129758760333312

https://twitter.com/bkravitz/status/559129758760333312

link to tweet

Which is of course what will happen, adding to the largely bullshit fabric of doubt that dogs this franchise.

Smug fucker.