#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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MarcSullivaFan said:
Yee was on Anderson Cooper & directly denied any wrongdoing on Brady's part, something he admitted he didn't do on his first public statement.
I voted 'multiple games;' for Brady because I think Goodell is ridiculous enough to do this.
I actually hope it is a 6 or 8 game suspension, just to put in giant neon letters how ridiculous (and ridiculously inconsistent) Goodell's punishments can be. I hope it becomes a rallying point for those who are pushing the league on the domestic violence front and becomes a giant black eye for the NFL.
I actually hope it is a 6 or 8 game suspension, just to put in giant neon letters how ridiculous (and ridiculously inconsistent) Goodell's punishments can be. I hope it becomes a rallying point for those who are pushing the league on the domestic violence front and becomes a giant black eye for the NFL.
drleather2001 said:
Correct link: http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2015/05/tom-brady-punishment-today.html
Long excerpt:
And so it makes sense that the man in charge of our most punishing sport (think about how many times you've heard about running backs "punishing" defenders, or safeties "punishing" wideouts for daring to go across the middle of the field) would take up the mantle of Punisher In Chief. In a sane world, Ballghazi would be solved by a reasonable commissioner (NOT Goodell) sitting down with the Patriots and Brady in a room and saying, "Hey you, don't do that anymore." And that would be the end of it. In Goodell's universe, that would never, ever happen. There's gotta be a head on a stake. Someone's gotta PAY.
Because it makes for better spectacle that way. Even though giving the Pats a private reprimand or even a small fine is the correct course of action (why are there even RULES about ball PSI? I want the QB to have the optimal advantage throwing the ball so that he can makes lots of pretty TD passes; let him fart on the fucking thing for all I care) it's boring as hell. It's a letdown. It ain't juicy at all. I am used to being wildly entertained by movies and TV shows where evil deeds are met with fabulous displays of retribution, with guns and lasers and fireballs. That is what I'm used to. I'm chasing the punishment dragon, baby! No amount of punishment for Brady can be enough for my entertainment dollar: a game, a year, a lifetime, whatever. Baseball has long been the flag-bearer for public displays of sports punishments (Pete Rose, A-Rod, the Congressional steroid hearings), and now Goodell has created a Hot Stove Punishment League of the NFL's own. Every time someone fucks up, I sit by Twitter and wait for the man to spin his WHEEL OF JUSTICE, so that I can then freak out accordingly.
Does any of this constitute proper justice? God, no. Watching Brady try to pass it all off with a shit-eating grin, or watching Bill Belichick forced to answer ball physics questions during Super Bowl week—those moments of humiliation are punishment enough. But of course, no punishment is ever enough. There must always be more, and it must always be cruel and unusual. Because that's what gets me off. So cheers to you, Roger. I can't wait to see how badly you fuck this up.
Because it makes for better spectacle that way. Even though giving the Pats a private reprimand or even a small fine is the correct course of action (why are there even RULES about ball PSI? I want the QB to have the optimal advantage throwing the ball so that he can makes lots of pretty TD passes; let him fart on the fucking thing for all I care) it's boring as hell. It's a letdown. It ain't juicy at all. I am used to being wildly entertained by movies and TV shows where evil deeds are met with fabulous displays of retribution, with guns and lasers and fireballs. That is what I'm used to. I'm chasing the punishment dragon, baby! No amount of punishment for Brady can be enough for my entertainment dollar: a game, a year, a lifetime, whatever. Baseball has long been the flag-bearer for public displays of sports punishments (Pete Rose, A-Rod, the Congressional steroid hearings), and now Goodell has created a Hot Stove Punishment League of the NFL's own. Every time someone fucks up, I sit by Twitter and wait for the man to spin his WHEEL OF JUSTICE, so that I can then freak out accordingly.
Does any of this constitute proper justice? God, no. Watching Brady try to pass it all off with a shit-eating grin, or watching Bill Belichick forced to answer ball physics questions during Super Bowl week—those moments of humiliation are punishment enough. But of course, no punishment is ever enough. There must always be more, and it must always be cruel and unusual. Because that's what gets me off. So cheers to you, Roger. I can't wait to see how badly you fuck this up.
My heart says he should go to war on the back of a dinosaur like Reagan
but my head says a much more measured approach like your suggested above would be more sensible.
but my head says a much more measured approach like your suggested above would be more sensible.
That fumble rate analysis that the 538 flunkies are hailing is not science. All it proves is that slapping the term Bayesian on an analysis does not automatically make it correct or more rigorous.dcmissle said:
I think you're reaching a bit. Kraft already attacked the Wells report. Under NFL rules, Belichick and the Patriots are given far less runway when it comes to commenting on an active investigation or pending punishment. I'm sure both BB and Kraft have been advised to say as little as possible, and Brady should certainly know that (and, if not, then his agent needs to explain it to him).TheoShmeo said:
Let me try one more time. You're a great man in my book.TheoShmeo said:
One of the most valuable things both Brady and Kraft have going for them right now is the apparent distance between the team and TB. It has to be frustrating the hell out of Goodell and his minions as they sort through this.
It is interesting playing around with the numbers JohnnyK posted here.
For the Patriots, it shows Blakeman's measured drops in PSI ranged from .90 to 2.00, while Prioleau's ranged from .55 to 1.60 for the same balls. The respective average drop in PSI for Blakeman and Prioleau were 1.39 and 1.01.
For the Colts, Blakeman's measured drops in PSI ranged from .25 to .50, while Prioleau's ranged from .05 to .85. The respective average drop in PSI for Blakeman and Prioleau .38 and .56.
But the odd thing is that for every Patriot ball, Prioleau's measured PSI was higher than Blakeman's (by and average of .034 PSI), but for 3 out of 4 Colts balls, Prioleau's measured PSI was lower than Blakeman's (by an average of .015 PSI).
Just how accurate are the devices by which PSI are being measured here?
For the Patriots, it shows Blakeman's measured drops in PSI ranged from .90 to 2.00, while Prioleau's ranged from .55 to 1.60 for the same balls. The respective average drop in PSI for Blakeman and Prioleau were 1.39 and 1.01.
For the Colts, Blakeman's measured drops in PSI ranged from .25 to .50, while Prioleau's ranged from .05 to .85. The respective average drop in PSI for Blakeman and Prioleau .38 and .56.
But the odd thing is that for every Patriot ball, Prioleau's measured PSI was higher than Blakeman's (by and average of .034 PSI), but for 3 out of 4 Colts balls, Prioleau's measured PSI was lower than Blakeman's (by an average of .015 PSI).
Just how accurate are the devices by which PSI are being measured here?
I think we've established that the "science" aspect of the Wells Report is a smoke screen of farts designed purely to give the appearance of fair-handedness.
"If you arrange the numbers just so, the Patriots's objections based on science appear to be unfounded. Therefore, we disregard this entire line of defense." is not a good faith examination of potentially exculpatory evidence.
Wells knows that. Goodell knows that. They don't care, and neither does 90% of the media, and 90% of football fans.
"If you arrange the numbers just so, the Patriots's objections based on science appear to be unfounded. Therefore, we disregard this entire line of defense." is not a good faith examination of potentially exculpatory evidence.
Wells knows that. Goodell knows that. They don't care, and neither does 90% of the media, and 90% of football fans.
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 1m1 minute ago
On @dpshow, Tom Brady's agent continues to spread misinformation about #DeflateGate http://wp.me/p14QSB-9LHd
On @dpshow, Tom Brady's agent continues to spread misinformation about #DeflateGate http://wp.me/p14QSB-9LHd
Mike Petraglia @Trags 18s18 seconds ago
Bob Kravitz on D&C: NFL’s Wells report ‘definitely flawed … but I don’t think it changes the essence of the document’ http://ow.ly/MHpRx
Bob Kravitz on D&C: NFL’s Wells report ‘definitely flawed … but I don’t think it changes the essence of the document’ http://ow.ly/MHpRx
Could be a teachable moment to introduce the forum to Kurosawa, Ozu, and Mizoguchi (the big three in the golden age of Japanese cinema). That's more pretentious than a concentrated doze of SMU frat house though.SeoulSoxFan said:
I think Drewdawg summed it up best. It's frustrating when you can't even discuss your team with non fans because they turn into raving lunatics. It's not just Johnny from Burger King either. The easy narrative has permeated everywhere. I was interviewing somewhere last week and an RVP with some impressive credentials told me he thought the Pats should forfeit their last two or three Super Bowls because they spied on the other teams before the game and deflate gate. Before offering his opinion on this he was intelligent, well spoken, and knowledgable. I'm thinking I should have told him I liked the Cowboys.
The looks you get from people when you admit you're a Pats fan now... I think I'd get more approval if I said I am a former con and did time for smuggling narcotics and selling to children.
kartvelo said:
Prosecutor: "So the speed limit was 55. Did you record how fast the car was going?"
Officer: "Um...No."
Prosecutor: "But you remember how fast they were going, right?"
Officer: "Sure. They were going about 56. Maybe 57."
Prosecutor: "Thank you!"
Yeah, as I've hypothesized before, at some cynical level the league loves all this. Deflategate. Was it a ctach. Even, in some quarters, the Ray Rice discussion. Even debates over whether rapists belong in the hall. The draft was over. Nothing else going on. This is perfect timing for the league. Keep people talking about football in May, even while the NBA and NHL playoffs are in full swing. None of it seems to hurt the league in the slightest. Even domestic violence didn't touch ratings, and Rice's first game back will be appointment tv. Concussions is about the only thing that they don't want to talk about too much. Punish or don't punish Brady, it won't matter. Huge talking head debates either way. They will definitely get at least another week out of it.drleather2001 said:
Kravitz bitching that he's not getting treated with professional courtesy is hilarious. He's known as one of the biggest, most abrasive assholes in the entire business.
Patriots and Colts' ball pressure, as indicated in the Wells report:JokersWildJIMED said:
Patriots (measured by Blakeman): 11.1 +/- 0.40
Patriots (measured by Prioleau): 11.5 +/- 0.41
Colts (measured by Blakeman): 12.6 +/- 0.12
Colts (measured by Prioleau): 12.4 +/- 0.35
Blakeman, who had the higher readings for the Colts balls, also had the lowest amount of spread in his 4 measurements (range 12.5-12.75). Such a low spread might be indicative of balls starting to equilibrate to room temperature, which would suggest that Blakeman measured the balls last, just before halftime ended at a time when the Colts balls warmed up significantly.
It is not known whether the four Colts balls were wet or dry, and this would impact the warm-up rate of the balls. We can assume, since 11 Patriots balls were tested, that some of them were wet.
If you don't believe this, then you can at least see that there is substantial spread in readings between balls, even if the same ball was tested minutes apart by two different ball pressure "experts". For example, the 11th Patriots ball tested at 10.9 and 11.35, for a 0.45 psi difference between readings for the same ball.
As such, how can it be possible that all Patriots balls were at 12.5 exactly before the game, and all Colts balls were at 13.0 exactly, given this high variability?
The entire context of this report is based on the disproportionate psi drop at halftime, and the drop is gauged against a standard that 1) was never recorded and based on memory and 2) was impossible to achieve based on the variation in measurements observed in the Wells report itself.
This League has a lot of people in the coaching and executive ranks making $2 to $7 million per year. They answer to 32 people who in the main have no patience and even less emotional maturity (you may be able to count the exceptions on one hand, certainly two).jimbobim said:
This is what happens when one of those 32 approaches you and demands, *why can't you do what they are doing.*
I hope they have had their fun. It comes at the expense of any potential SB hangover. And it may greatly fuel TB's hoped for 5-year run from here.
soxhop411 said:
This is laughable--it's clickbait.
Yee referenced the $25,000 fine in the rulebook and Florio is harping on the rulebook saying "including but not limited to", but Yee's overarching point is correct. The rulebook doesn't list some large fine for this and if it was THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD, you'd think the listed fine would be larger. It's not misinformation to say the rulebook lists $25,000.
Yee is also talking about the "more probable than not" language. He's actually NOT wrong, because the report says that. Florio is talking about how that's NFL language. Sure, ok, but Yee's not wrong, so it's not really misinformation.
Swing and a miss Florio.
One possible sentence that is not in the poll above:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/n-f-l-sentences-brady-to-a-year-with-the-jets?mbid=social_facebook
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/n-f-l-sentences-brady-to-a-year-with-the-jets?mbid=social_facebook
Florio pushing the vanity argument with Brady on Dan Patrick. "He can't grip a regulation sized football."
Jesus christ.
Jesus christ.
So the NFL used undersized balls in the Super Bowl?
This is another aspect to the whole thing that makes it so disgusting: Using Brady's until-now "positive" characteristics against him in a totally baseless fashion.
1) he's meticulous = he's conniving!
2) he's good looking = he's vain!
It's gross.
This is another aspect to the whole thing that makes it so disgusting: Using Brady's until-now "positive" characteristics against him in a totally baseless fashion.
1) he's meticulous = he's conniving!
2) he's good looking = he's vain!
It's gross.
INCO 460 (01) - Deflategate
Durham Miscellaneous > Intercollege
Credits: 4.0
Term: Fall 2015 - Full Term (08/31/2015 - 12/11/2015)
Class Size: 75
CRN: 16974
This course is not about deflated footballs. Instead, it is about the interplay between those footballs -- along with numerous other sports things -- and the legal, regulatory and journalistic systems governing sports. Students in Deflategate learn about crucial areas of law that relate to sports and the methodologies used to practice in relevant fields. Students also gain valuable instruction on core journalism methods and their applications to a sports story attracting national headlines. The course concludes with an application ot methodologies in law and journalism to Deflategate.
Attributes: Social Science (Discovery), Social Science GP 7
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Instructors: Michael McCann
Durham Miscellaneous > Intercollege
Credits: 4.0
Term: Fall 2015 - Full Term (08/31/2015 - 12/11/2015)
Class Size: 75
CRN: 16974
This course is not about deflated footballs. Instead, it is about the interplay between those footballs -- along with numerous other sports things -- and the legal, regulatory and journalistic systems governing sports. Students in Deflategate learn about crucial areas of law that relate to sports and the methodologies used to practice in relevant fields. Students also gain valuable instruction on core journalism methods and their applications to a sports story attracting national headlines. The course concludes with an application ot methodologies in law and journalism to Deflategate.
Attributes: Social Science (Discovery), Social Science GP 7
http://courses.unh.edu/class/201510/16974#.VUwq9ikChjJ.twitter
Instructors: Michael McCann
dcmissle said:
I'm hoping that he's using off-season workouts to blow off this stress. Something tells me he'll be coming into camp at tip-top shape.
(not that he's slacked previously, just that he'll be really focused moving forward).
Right - and that a mere 30 seconds to a minute change in our assumptions (for when we start measuring these) makes the data fit perfectly with the narrative that it is simply the natural processes at work (as you can see on the time graphs right after tables 13-14).Filet-O-Fisk said:
This is really a story of people using numbers to confuse.
As the NFL has a rule re ball tamperingsoxhop411 said:
“Once the balls have left the locker room, no one, including players, equipment managers and coaches are allowed to alter the footballs in any way. If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000.”
The Wells report has admitted there is no hard evidence, has stated that BB and Kraft hod no knowledge of this, but concluded that Brady probably was generally aware that tampering took place.
So how much more can the NFL punish the Brady/Pats than their established protocol calls for?
Given that this entire thing appears to have been brought about by a pitchfork-waving mob banging on Goodell's door to "Do Something" about the Patriots, I see no reason by Goodell backs down now. He'll suspend Brady for 6 games and dock the Pats a 2nd round pick and probably put them on Double Extra Probation or some shit.
drleather2001 said:
The best cheaters in the NFL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2eTuc4KItc
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 15s15 seconds ago
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 15s15 seconds ago
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
Jeff Howe @jeffphowe 2m2 minutes ago
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
Source close to the Deflategate investigation believes a disciplinary ruling could be made as early as this afternoon.
It was unreal. "Luck likes a 13.0 ball. Rodgers like's it overinflated. Brady should just come out and admit that he can't throw a regulation ball very well."Catcher Block said:
Did he miss the Super Bowl?