Or "greasy jerseys".Adrian's Dome said:Any Broncos fan that brings up "cheating" can be shut the fuck up with two simple words: "salary cap."
On this we agree in spades.Average Reds said:
Yup.
This was the absolute best-case outcome. Enjoy it folks.
You should be having fun. What a bunch of clowns. Even if someone believes Goodell was right about everything then they agree this is an infraction on par with PEDs so I guess Seattle's Super Bowl win was tainted because Browner. You can play this game with every team but only the Pats live in everyone's head.Ralphwiggum said:Fucking right. I'm on vacation in the Caribbean right now surrounded by a million dickbags from the Tri-State area. I have not taken my Pats hat
off since I got here. They are all seething over this and it us fucking great.
I got a "how does it feel knowing the Super Bowl is tainted" at the bar last night, and my answer was "fucking awesome". The guy just turned and left.
Yeah I did enjoy the judge making it clear what he really thought. Also Michael Hurley (who has been great throughout this) had my favorite point. Paraphrased, he said we have a federal judge vacating the suspension with a scathinf decision in black and white showing what a sham Goodell ran. And people still want to point to Tom Brady, accused by this same man, maybe having awareness of people lowering PSI levels, that nobody ever cared about before this, by incomprehensible margins which may not even provide a competitive advantage. KenTremendous, I still feel like a crazy person talking about thisAverage Reds said:
Yup.
This was the absolute best-case outcome. Enjoy it folks.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/639846415531835392JohnnyK said:
dcmissle said:Now people are getting greedy. They want something this proess never offered, and some are pissed that Kraft is not suing to get the draft picks back.
So you're telling me there's a chance?!Myt1 said:The only way they could get those back would be in a defamation suit.
E5 Yaz said:I'm going to make a suggestion here:
Someone start a thread for all the "hater / crybaby" reactions from elsewhere, and return this thread to the actual aftermath of the ruling and what happens from this point forward.
That way, those of us who don't give a shit about what the anti-Patriots media, etc., have to say can be spared from wading through those posts and the multiple reactions while looking for actual things of relevance.
And I say this having posted the Munson and Kravitz reactions, since those two were takes immediately after the ruling ... not a day-later butt-hurt trolling from predictable sources.
mandro ramtinez said:
It's bad form to bound down the stairs on Christmas morning, open the gift wrapped package and get exactly what you hoped would be under the tree and then grumble that you didn't get a bunch of other, unlikely gifts too.
soxhop411 said:
I usually add that 'they're a little salty, maybe you should hydrate more.'HomeBrew1901 said:Your tears, they taste delicious.
I've been using that on Facebook for 24 hours now and it shuts most up.
True,mandro ramtinez said:
It's bad form to bound down the stairs on Christmas morning, open the gift wrapped package and get exactly what you hoped would be under the tree and then grumble that you didn't get a bunch of other, unlikely gifts too.
Yes. Its called "growing up and using critical thinking."*soxhop411 said:
Myt1 said:Since January, idiots were going to be idiots no matter what happened. The only way for Brady to rehabilitate himself at all was to unflinchingly defend himself and a deal would have completely torpedoed that. Instead, we now have former NFL water carriers in open revolt on this issue.
That won't touch the opinion of the great unwashed masses, and man, Berman never found Brady innocent!!!1!111 and I bet those grapes are sour anyway. But who cares about those people?
Brady may be the best person in history at what he does. His integrity and honor were impugned on nothing more than the stupidity of people who came to a conclusion, had to reverse engineer reasoning in the face of evidence to the contrary, and continued to knowingly slander him throughout the process, clearly illustrating (to anyone paying attention without an agenda) their utter bankruptcy of integrity.
There's no settling on issues like that, with an opposing party like that. The NFL sought more in settlement than it could have gotten in a confirmation. When you have a bully like that challenging your very integrity, you slap him right the fuck back, no matter what the bean counters of the world urge and the immovability of those who refuse to be educated.
Defiantly losing entirely on deference to the arbitrator would have been better than settling for two games with a mealy-mouthed protestation of innocence. I'm glad Brady and the union saw that.
And it truly was in a few hours. They won on the argument they crafted in response to the NFL, who filed immediately after Goodell the arbitrator ruled on Goodell the Commissioner. That's when he picked the four key issues, and two of them were winners.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:But he decided that winning the war was far more important than trying to win every battle, and often where guys truly earn their $1,000/hour is not in the hours they churn away writing or arguing or anything else, but those first few hours where they exercise the judgment to decide what not to argue.
If that's really true, couldn't Brady sue for defamation?Myt1 said:continued to knowingly slander him throughout the process,
More like The Ginger Thumb Hammerer now...dirtynine said:Apropos of nothing in particular, remember when Goodell was the feared, coldly-competent leader of the best-run league in sports? The Ginger Hammer? Things have fallen so far, so quickly.
Eddie Jurak said:More like The Ginger Thumb Hammerer now...
Lou Lamoriello = Michael Corleonecshea said:Recouping the picks will likely have to be through back channel negotiations with the league. Not sure what kind of leverage Kraft has, but if he has any, using it quietly behind the scenes is likely the only play he has.
Different sport, but for some reason I've always had the Devils/Kovalchuk debacle in the back of my head. The league took away a 1, 3 and $3 million following the Kovalchuk illegal contract. The Devils somehow managed to get the 1st rounder back. The Kraft's should have a chat with Lou Lamoreillo.
I'm of the belief that nothing that has happened thus far comes close to putting RG's job in jeopardy. Follow the money. These guys are making too much money and have seen the value of their respective franchises jump too much during Goodell's tenure for these legal screw ups to endanger him, as preposterous as they are.cshea said:Recouping the picks will likely have to be through back channel negotiations with the league. Not sure what kind of leverage Kraft has, but if he has any, using it quietly behind the scenes is likely the only play he has.
Different sport, but for some reason I've always had the Devils/Kovalchuk debacle in the back of my head. The league took away a 1, 3 and $3 million following the Kovalchuk illegal contract. The Devils somehow managed to get the 1st rounder back. The Kraft's should have a chat with Lou Lamoreillo.
Indeed. In the eyes of many fans, the story is now "The Patriots/Brady beat the rap on a technicality." Not "The Patriots proved the investigation was biased."ifmanis5 said:Agreed with above. The takeaway after reading all the burn-book columns from the usual media wags is if you were a Pats hater last week, no matter how sternly that decision was worded, you are still a Pats hater today. Yesterday didn't change too many minds. It may have made RG look worse but it didn't make the Pats look any better.
JimD said:Time is on Brady's side (barring injury, of course). Every game in which he performs at a high level using footballs that are under the league's new guidelines will further diminish the alleged idea that he was gaining an advantage from supposedly deflated footballs. By the time he is inducted into Canton, I honestly believe this will be a footnote and nothing more.
My response to people on the question of innocence is that the judge found the NFL's process completely deficient, and thus we cannot conclude anything about what happened. That means we can't conclude anything about whether the balls were deflated or not, about what caused it if they were, or who caused it if something unnatural did.
There is nothing in the opinion inconsistent with the above, I don't believe. The judge went out of his way to say 'alleged' before all the key facts, which was not at all necessary to reach his conclusion; thus, I think he made a comment about how the process impacted our ability to assess the underlying facts
Indeed. In the eyes of many fans, the story is now "The Patriots/Brady beat the rap on a technicality." Not "The Patriots proved the investigation was biased."
soxhop411 said:“@PostSports: BREAKING NEWS: NFL owners to discuss changing Roger Goodell’s role in disciplinary process http://t.co/kl2mLteSwg http://t.co/c9DKfzmcMD
Jed York came out in support of the Krafts too.riboflav said:There's not a lot there except for one additional unnamed owner being open to discussing altering RG's role in discipline.
So now you have
Kraft
Blank
Benson (not on record but one would presume)
one additional owner from WP article
That's only four and could be just three if Benson is the owner behind the WP article.
It's more of a trickle than an avalanche certainly but it is progress.
Ed Hillel said:So the owners are going to strip Goodell of his arb powers, aren't they? The question is if they accept a truly independent arbitrator, or if they'll remain stubborn and try to get their own hand-picked guy to take his place. Regardless, if Roger is removed, I think we'll see the Brady appeal dropped as part of the process.
RedOctober3829 said:Jed York came out in support of the Krafts too.
Would any of the lawyers here care to speculate on what form the ground-rules would have taken? I understand that there's something called a Letter of Engagement that's supposed to lay out this sort of thing. How much wiggle room is there?geoduck no quahog said:
III. Who established the ground-rules for the investigation (i.e. - this is the conclusion we seek)?
a. Was Wells given marching orders from the very beginning? If so, by whom?
TheoShmeo said:It's really pointless getting agitated at a good portion of the post-ruling narrative.
One reason why I wanted Tom to settle if an acceptable deal was on the table is that I thought all along that even a total victory in front of Berman would do little to slow down the narrative of those who are incapable of viewing or unwilling to view these circumstances clearly.
Sure, at the margins, winning will help with the narrative. And long term, it will probably help at a lot more than the margins. But there is plenty of room for Haters or those who just don't understand the reality to compose a narrative like the ones that are being pointed out in this thread.
Not that I am above it. This advice is aimed squarely at myself.
Myt1 said:Since January, idiots were going to be idiots no matter what happened. The only way for Brady to rehabilitate himself at all was to unflinchingly defend himself and a deal would have completely torpedoed that. Instead, we now have former NFL water carriers in open revolt on this issue.
That won't touch the opinion of the great unwashed masses, and man, Berman never found Brady innocent!!!1!111 and I bet those grapes are sour anyway. But who cares about those people?
Brady may be the best person in history at what he does. His integrity and honor were impugned on nothing more than the stupidity of people who came to a conclusion, had to reverse engineer reasoning in the face of evidence to the contrary, and continued to knowingly slander him throughout the process, clearly illustrating (to anyone paying attention without an agenda) their utter bankruptcy of integrity.
There's no settling on issues like that, with an opposing party like that. The NFL sought more in settlement than it could have gotten in a confirmation. When you have a bully like that challenging your very integrity, you slap him right the fuck back, no matter what the bean counters of the world urge and the immovability of those who refuse to be educated.
Defiantly losing entirely on deference to the arbitrator would have been better than settling for two games with a mealy-mouthed protestation of innocence. I'm glad Brady and the union saw that.
There is no Rev said:We live in a nation full of people obsessed with Star Wars who don't want to be Jedi.
TheoShmeo said:I'm of the belief that nothing that has happened thus far comes close to putting RG's job in jeopardy. Follow the money. These guys are making too much money and have seen the value of their respective franchises jump too much during Goodell's tenure for these legal screw ups to endanger him, as preposterous as they are.
OilCanShotTupac said:Virtually every big market except LA has had their tit squeezed for a revenue-maximizing stadium, and LA will eventually happen (ironically, this will hurt the owners collectively, in that it takes away the "I'll move to LA" threat that has been so useful for the twenty years). So there won't be another wave of cash-cow stadiums. Is expansion to London really going to add that much to revenue? If not, it's hard to see where the next big boom in revenue comes from.
Bergs said:I'd like to believe this would put draft pick reinstatement on the table as well.
I am aware of that. I am just surprised that Schefter tweets this without attributing it to someone or making clear it is his opinion.Myt1 said:The only way they could get those back would be in a defamation suit.
JayMags71 said:
Mexico? Canada?
This is delusional. I live in Denver and work with many die hard, life long Broncos fans that have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about when I bring up their salary cap violations. In addition, sports talk radio out here has been insufferable since the ruling (and really since January). This morning was all about how T.J Ward, caught on video throwing a glass at a woman, is the victim and Brady is getting away with cheating. The quote this morning was something along the lines of "So TJ Ward get's 1 game for 'allegedly' committing a misdemeanor off the field and Tom Brady gets nothing for corrupting the integrity of the game by cheating in the AFC Championship Game". Denver fans are some of the worst. I'd rather talk to Jets and Yankee fans.Adrian's Dome said:Any Broncos fan that brings up "cheating" can be shut the fuck up with two simple words: "salary cap."
The only way they could get those back would be in a defamation suit.
Whoosh!!JohnnyK said:I am aware of that. I am just surprised that Schefter tweets this without attributing it to someone or making clear it is his opinion.
And I'd like to believe I could put Scarlet Johansen on the table, but that's not gonna happen either.Bergs said:
I'd like to believe this would put draft pick reinstatement on the table as well.