I have to say, I'm a little troubled by your unwillingness to defend and serve as a proxy for the most loathsome, knuckle-dragging people who happen to root for the same football team that you do.
Doomed to Repeat It: The Greg Hardy Story
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Should domestic violence guys be one strike and you're out? I only ask because I can't reconcile the anger people have with Hardy meanwhile the Celtics are going play a team coached by a wife beater and no one is very vocal about that. I don't know the answer. One answer is to let the courts handle it and that's it. You're not in jail, you can play. That's probably a bad answer but I don't know a good one.
1. Plenty of people were vocal about Kidd when that happened.
2. The legal abuse charges happened 15 years ago and he's kept his nose clean on that front since then. If he did it again today he'd probably be forced out as coach.
3. Hardy just a few weeks ago made public comments that were negative toward women
4. There were pictures in the Hardy case. Just like there was video in the Rice case.
I have to say, I LOVE the irony of a Greg Hardy jersey ad being prominently displayed on the page. Content-based ads strike again!
Weird, I see Robert Parish and Jared Sullinger jerseys. I don't get what the algorithm is doing.
I think a lot of the anger is actually directed at the Cowboys. Do you think the Panthers should have cut him? Do you think the Jets should have signed him?
That Bob Ryan was slapped with harsher discipline for making an allusion to hitting Jason Kidd's wife than Kidd ever received for actually hitting his wife makes me insane.
I was in NJ at the time and media was full of "You don't about another's man's wife like that!!" Oh yeah? How about you don't fucking treat your wife worse than that. Fuckers.
I think if we had real insight into how many people have engaged in significant domestic violence, we'd have to have a national reckoning. Or ignore it because the country wouldn't be able to deal--one or the other.
Brandon Marshall would be suspended for life from the NFL if current policies existed in 08-09.
I've argued that would be a bad thing for domestic violence awareness, and the NFL.
That is a screen cap ad from Cowboys.com the day he was signed.
I wish we had NFL teams advertising on the site.
Might be my favorite in-context BBtL post, ever. Bravo.
I'm gonna go with B. Definitely, B.
But I'm taking this opportunity to post the best 140 characters on the NFL ever posted: The NFL talks incessantly about the Integrity of the Game, but literally has a "pics or it didn't happen!" rule for domestic violence.
Shouldn't that read "innocent until proven guilty twice" to account for North Carolina's weird (to me) two step conviction process where judge trial can be followed by a jury trial if you don't like the judge trial result?
This idiot honestly doesn't think he did anything wrong. At no point has he shown any remorse or even basic acknowledgement that hitting women is, you know, wrong. Dumbass.
ED is more right here (not to say he doesn't think he did nothing wrong - that's always a possibility with this garbage human being). He's hiding behind the cloak that the legal system in NC provided for him. "Look, I wasn't convicted by a jury, therefore I'm innocent." Never mind the fact that he was actually convicted and got off because he either paid off the victim or threatened her to the point of not wanting to testify at the jury trial.
This guy needs to do humanity a favor and die in a fire.
This guy needs to do humanity a favor and die in a fire.
Jerry stroked a deal with the devil. Everyone has to be on tenterhooks with this guy 24/7. And most of us cannot imagine that because AH kept below the radar until it was discovered that he had murdered.
The closest thing Pats had to this under BB happened very early, whenTerry Glenn went off the deep end. Then BB just put him out to pasture.
Stephen should have stepped in to prevent this one too.
The closest thing Pats had to this under BB happened very early, whenTerry Glenn went off the deep end. Then BB just put him out to pasture.
Stephen should have stepped in to prevent this one too.
High five
I think the problem with this line of thinking is that they didn't quite know what they were getting themselves into. They've known all along Hardy is an asshole but they likely didn't know that he would be such an aggressively unrepentant asshole. The time has come and gone to do the right thing but they can still save what little face they have left by making this be the last straw.
If you need me, I'll be over here not holding my breath.
Jerry has so far doubled down on this deal, in part no doubt because fate intervened to take Romo and Dez away this season. So the Cowboys haven't been positioned to reap the benefit yet.
The guy is a handful during the season. Can you imagine trying to keep tabs on him during the offseason?
The guy is a handful during the season. Can you imagine trying to keep tabs on him during the offseason?
Stephen has to step in and prevent an extension.
There's an argument to be made that cutting Hardy now just intensifies the "why did you sign him in the first place?" stuff swirling around a team with enough tinder boxes on the roster, and a 6-game losing streak.
The Cowboys best hope is to play out the string without any more incidents and let him leave at the end of the season, whereupon no one else signs him.
I'm going to over to join Bosoxen in waiting.
There's an argument to be made that cutting Hardy now just intensifies the "why did you sign him in the first place?" stuff swirling around a team with enough tinder boxes on the roster, and a 6-game losing streak.
The Cowboys best hope is to play out the string without any more incidents and let him leave at the end of the season, whereupon no one else signs him.
I'm going to over to join Bosoxen in waiting.
“@bubbaprog: How the NFL reinstated Greg Hardy: the never-before-seen hearing transcripts https://t.co/SL9kX6E4mY
It can not be said enough times how much of a joke Roger Goodell's NFL justice system is. Honestly, how does Lisa Friel sleep at night?
If they ever remake Ben afflecks masterful after school special, the thread title can be the name of it.
Who knows? That would be kind of amazing though, particularly if it resulted in a calculated Goodell death knell.
My dream is that someone dumps the entire contents of the NFL HQ email server onto WikiLeaks. The friction alone due to my right hand would probably cause me to burst into flame...
Someone is but its not likely her. She comes out terribly in the article and transcript. Not that her legal career has been covered in glory.
I reserved comparing the suspension of Hardy and Brady for obvious reasons. But holy crap it looks like they didn't push Hardy on any freaking issue. This is disgusting. Goodell and his justice system is fucked.
Deflated balls are a worse crime in the NFL than beating your spouse. The questioning in both transcripts if you compare it it's not even close. Pash, Goodell, Kensil all need to go
Maybe Goodell or Pash put a muzzle on her before the "hearing": though. There's always 2 sides to the story. It's certainly possible that she's another bozo within the clown car. I'm not sure we have information to say. Although if she is really employed by the NFL for just optics, why would she stick around a bullshit job?
$$$ perhaps? I know I personally would put up with all sorts of shit and compromise my morals for a price.
His lawyer's statements about the NC judge's partiality are wildly unprofessional and would get you disciplined in many jurisdictions.
It just sickens me that they would sit there and let that fool ramble on without rebuke. The consistency of his misogyny was impressive--he certainly didn't limit it to the victim.
I would have a really hard time getting through a hearing or deposition with that dirtbag.
It just sickens me that they would sit there and let that fool ramble on without rebuke. The consistency of his misogyny was impressive--he certainly didn't limit it to the victim.
I would have a really hard time getting through a hearing or deposition with that dirtbag.
Read up on her performance at her last job. She may not have had too much choice.
This may be too lawyer-y, but if the story peddled by Hardy & his lawyer was so totally and obviously bullshit ("she fell down" etc.), is there really much need to "push back"? In the end, Goodell forked over a 10-game suspension, which is pretty stiff. This suggests that even he thought it was bullshit. When a witness soils himself on the stand, sometimes its best to just let him sit in it for awhile. Is that possibly what happened here?
Just catching up on this thread. I wonder if that woman ever recovers from this pig's attacks. If she does, I'm sure it'll take years and be an asymptotic thing. Actually, that means she never completely does.
"tossed her on a futon covered in assault rifles, and choked her until she told him to “kill me so I don’t have to.”
"tossed her on a futon covered in assault rifles, and choked her until she told him to “kill me so I don’t have to.”
That's what I thought as well. It's easy to get up and arms over this, but it wasn't an adversarial trial. They let him plead his case and gave it the weight they thought it deserved. The 10 game suspensions tells me they didn't value it too much.
Assigning aribitration to a friendly and accepting the reduction to 4 games, as contrasted with DFG where they moved mountains on the other hand...
I don't really believe for a moment they planned for the 10 games to stand up. 4 is the outcome the NFL wanted.
Technically, the NFL tried to keep him out of action (if not paychecks) for 25 games. He was "exempt" last year, and while he got paid, that was the only way to keep him off the field. The NFL then did this "investigation" and tried for 10 more. On paper - that's a pretty good effort. They got 19 games,, BTW.
Having read the full transcript, the Deadspin presentation is extremely unfavorable to Friel, who may indeed be an awful person picking up a paycheck but sure as hell had nothing to gain by arguing with Hardy & his hired mouthpiece about the facts or interpretation of them.
Having read the full transcript, the Deadspin presentation is extremely unfavorable to Friel, who may indeed be an awful person picking up a paycheck but sure as hell had nothing to gain by arguing with Hardy & his hired mouthpiece about the facts or interpretation of them.
The takeaway, for me at least, was that Greg Hardy is unrepentant, would do it again, and thinks he got away with lying about it. And that his attorney should be the one having trouble sleeping at night. I know assholes - that guy, is an asshole.
Which is the reason Roger is using Brady to get a court to approve his powers of judge, jury and executioner.
That way Roger gets to have his cake and eat it too- impose a severe punishment to keep the public happy and choose an arbitrator that will reduce it to keep the teams and owners happy.
If he actually followed that path with the Brady case (Roger Goodell choosing an arbitrator other than Roger Goodell) I don't think he would be having as hard a time in court.
In Brady's case, it made the other owners and league office happy NOT to go easy on the player.
Well, this is interesting:
Kind of hard to read this as anything other than the League Office leaking stuff on players now.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/11/15/look-top-nfl-stories-midway-point/IHpx2HUHbIMypo8UoT2GgO/story.html
Kind of hard to read this as anything other than the League Office leaking stuff on players now.
Right. Which should raise the question: Why would "The League Office" do that?
In anywhere but DFG-world, this question is met with a "they wouldn't, it would be horribly dumb".
Which should then raise the question: WHO in the NFL office is leaking this stuff, and why?
That's a far more interesting query, I think.