Edelman has a Jones fracture in his foot; could be back this season; many fans rendered humorless
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Looking at the current FA WR list, the only name I can even contemplate signing is Greg Salas: http://nfltraderumors.co/2015-nfl-free-agents-list/
He had a good pre-season for the Lions but got injured (knee) right before the cut. Of course Salas was a brief Patriot in 2012 after trading for him from St. Louis.
I believe they had a workout with him recently as well, but I may not be remembering it right.
He had a good pre-season for the Lions but got injured (knee) right before the cut. Of course Salas was a brief Patriot in 2012 after trading for him from St. Louis.
I believe they had a workout with him recently as well, but I may not be remembering it right.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 18s18 seconds ago
.@NFL division's playoff round is Jan. 16-17 -- 9 weeks from today. It's a realistic timetable for when #Patriots WR Julian Edelman returns
.@NFL division's playoff round is Jan. 16-17 -- 9 weeks from today. It's a realistic timetable for when #Patriots WR Julian Edelman returns
2-seed? We had two legitimate threats to a 16-0 regular season.....took care of one today and watched the Broncos fall apart with Manning looking like he's ready for pasture. You cannot be serious!!! /McEnroe
He could always follow the Blount playbook and get his ass cut. Of course, I don't think he would be asked back to Foxboro in any event.
Barring complications, Jules should be back for the playoffs, especially if the Pats can secure the bye. There are not a lot of hard games left on their schedule, so they should be able to do that.
If he could still play, why wouldn't you?
I think the problem though is that he can't play anymore.
Could an almost 40 year old Randy Moss be effective? At least as a decoy? Probably not but I'm struggling to find any options. Dobson stepping up maybe?
I'm pretty sure there's nobody out there outside of the practice squad who's going to be able to master the offense quickly enough to be of any use.
It's been a few years now, maybe Joey Galloway or Ocho have finally picked it up.
If he has huge hands like Gronk does, I don't know why he doesn't hold onto the ball better. Get him some stickum.
Yeah, the only people who could step up and make a difference are already on this team, and are named (in no particular order) Chandler, Dobkins, White, and Martin
EDIT: Yeah, I suppose Bolden too
EDIT: Jesus am I slow on picking up the snark, Dobson not Dobkins. Not gonna mix red wine with G&T's again
EDIT: Yeah, I suppose Bolden too
EDIT: Jesus am I slow on picking up the snark, Dobson not Dobkins. Not gonna mix red wine with G&T's again
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The juxtaposition between him and gronk today...I think it was 1 or 2 plays after a chandler drop, gronk picked one off his shoe laces while running and hung onto it.
Totally tangental, but the NFL really needs to make some updates on a lot of policies. Trading deadline needs to be moved back; practice squad needs to be expanded; more than one IR DTR slot needs to be available; and they should probably increase roster sizes and game day actives to begin with. It's fucked up that the most violent sport with the highest rate of attrition has the most restrictive roster rules.
Some info I found and researched about the Jones fracture, though DRS should (will?) correct me, as I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on SoSH.
It was named after Sir Robert Jones, who sustained the injury while dancing, and first reported in the Annals of Surgery in 1902, in his paper, I. Fracture of the Base of the Fifth Metatarsal Bone by Indirect Violence. As it turns out, it's a fracture caused by a cross-strain applied to the bone, as opposed to direct trauma. This is what a Jones fracture looks like on an x-ray: http://i.imgur.com/1QhTsN2.jpg
Do have to ask though, out of curiosity, and wanting to learn more: Is the zone (1, 2, 3) known by anyone or sources here for purposes of (non) union? This is an important factor, for both healing, and potential future complications.
Also found a few former notable athletes who have had this before:
Kevin Durant, injury sustained 10/12/14, came back 12/2/14. Injured again 2/22/15 for minor surgery to help with ones fracture pain. Was declared out for season 3/27/15.
Yao Ming, but hard to compare the two, based on mass and size.
Julio Jones, in Atlanta's 5th game of the year. Missed the rest of the season, only started walking again in November that year, didn't start working out until February 2014. In June 2014, he claimed that he felt stronger, as to make sure his strengths were equal in all places.
Marvin Jones; had surgery with screw insert, though Jones also was in recovery from a broken ankle. Went on IR, but likely rushed back from the broken ankle, so this really isn't apples-to-apples either.
And then, there's this awesome study I found: Lareau, Hsu, and Anderson (2008): Return to Play in National Football League Players After Operative Jones Fracture Treatment. Positional breadown: 8 WRs, 4 LBs, 4 TEs, 2 DTs, 2 CBs, 1 OT, 1 C, 1 DE, on QB.
Average return was 8-10 weeks. Noted 25 consecutive NFL players went under acute Jones fracture fixation by a single surgeon (Lareau), between 2004 and 2014. The treatment consisted of a "Jones-specific intramedullary screw and iliac crest bone marrow aspirate with demineralized bone matrix injected at the fracture site."
76% of players were in first 3 seasons; 48% before/during rookie year. 100% players returned to play; 80% were still playing when published, while 12% (three patients) re-fractured and needed a revision. Of the nine players to undergo surgery between July and October were eligible to play the same season, with an average of 8.7 weeks, with a range of 5.9-13.6. Things honestly look good, based upon what I read.
Here's a link to the abstract: http://fai.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/09/09/1071100715603983.abstract
It was named after Sir Robert Jones, who sustained the injury while dancing, and first reported in the Annals of Surgery in 1902, in his paper, I. Fracture of the Base of the Fifth Metatarsal Bone by Indirect Violence. As it turns out, it's a fracture caused by a cross-strain applied to the bone, as opposed to direct trauma. This is what a Jones fracture looks like on an x-ray: http://i.imgur.com/1QhTsN2.jpg
Do have to ask though, out of curiosity, and wanting to learn more: Is the zone (1, 2, 3) known by anyone or sources here for purposes of (non) union? This is an important factor, for both healing, and potential future complications.
Also found a few former notable athletes who have had this before:
Kevin Durant, injury sustained 10/12/14, came back 12/2/14. Injured again 2/22/15 for minor surgery to help with ones fracture pain. Was declared out for season 3/27/15.
Yao Ming, but hard to compare the two, based on mass and size.
Julio Jones, in Atlanta's 5th game of the year. Missed the rest of the season, only started walking again in November that year, didn't start working out until February 2014. In June 2014, he claimed that he felt stronger, as to make sure his strengths were equal in all places.
Marvin Jones; had surgery with screw insert, though Jones also was in recovery from a broken ankle. Went on IR, but likely rushed back from the broken ankle, so this really isn't apples-to-apples either.
And then, there's this awesome study I found: Lareau, Hsu, and Anderson (2008): Return to Play in National Football League Players After Operative Jones Fracture Treatment. Positional breadown: 8 WRs, 4 LBs, 4 TEs, 2 DTs, 2 CBs, 1 OT, 1 C, 1 DE, on QB.
Average return was 8-10 weeks. Noted 25 consecutive NFL players went under acute Jones fracture fixation by a single surgeon (Lareau), between 2004 and 2014. The treatment consisted of a "Jones-specific intramedullary screw and iliac crest bone marrow aspirate with demineralized bone matrix injected at the fracture site."
76% of players were in first 3 seasons; 48% before/during rookie year. 100% players returned to play; 80% were still playing when published, while 12% (three patients) re-fractured and needed a revision. Of the nine players to undergo surgery between July and October were eligible to play the same season, with an average of 8.7 weeks, with a range of 5.9-13.6. Things honestly look good, based upon what I read.
Here's a link to the abstract: http://fai.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/09/09/1071100715603983.abstract
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One name that I haven't seen mentioned here as a possible roster replacement is Chris Harper who is still on the practice squad. Could be a good time to see what we have there.
That's weird, I also researched and found that Tommy John surgery and Lou Gehrig's disease were also named after people that had it or was involved with its discovery. Do you think there was someone named Hodgkin as well? Crazy world....
Meh. I thought it'd be interesting to include a brief history of it all. If it's not your thing, my apologies. Hopefully the rest of the content is worth your (or anyone's) while though, especially the NFL player study, which is the most relevant thing I feel I added to this thread.
Sure did! His dance partner was Ellis Hobbs.
I'm going to save @absintheofmalaise the post and remind everyone that quoting Chao is unacceptable on this board. He is the Incarcerated Bob of injuries. He is worse than a unreliable source and anyone wondering why should Google "Chao NFLPA lost license". He's a goddamned hack and you make yourself and everyone around you stupider by listening to anything the drunk driving "doctor" has anything to say.
Please follow @ChrisGearyOrtho for your injury news.
Hey, I didn't go to offshore medical school for almost two years just so I could have my credentials questioned by people like you
The surgery Jules will have today involves inserting an intramedullary screw and he'll be out until it's healed. Optimistic return = 6 weeks. I'm not an Orthopod but my daughter is.
Here's hoping the 8 week timetable turns out to be an accurate prediction.
Anyway, with regards to the roster, I don't see the crunch that has folks here worried. There were 7 inactives Sunday: Jamie Collins, Cannon, Vollmer, Tre Jackson, Martin, Trey Flowers, and Tavon Wilson, with the last 2 being healthy scratches. The general assumption is that Collins and at least one of the injured OL's should be back soon. Martin was practicing all week, so his was probably a borderline healthy scratch So there's not going to be an issue carrying Edelman on the inactive list through the rest of the season.
The offense has taken a huge hit with both Lewis and Edelman going down; noone can claim otherwise. Which means the defense has to be among the Next Men Up as well.
The good news is that a win next week against the Rexies practically locks down the division. Practice reps will be critical this week for White, Bolden, and Dobson.
Anyway, with regards to the roster, I don't see the crunch that has folks here worried. There were 7 inactives Sunday: Jamie Collins, Cannon, Vollmer, Tre Jackson, Martin, Trey Flowers, and Tavon Wilson, with the last 2 being healthy scratches. The general assumption is that Collins and at least one of the injured OL's should be back soon. Martin was practicing all week, so his was probably a borderline healthy scratch So there's not going to be an issue carrying Edelman on the inactive list through the rest of the season.
The offense has taken a huge hit with both Lewis and Edelman going down; noone can claim otherwise. Which means the defense has to be among the Next Men Up as well.
The good news is that a win next week against the Rexies practically locks down the division. Practice reps will be critical this week for White, Bolden, and Dobson.
Wow, DLJ Jr, just the research I wold have done if I weren't a lazy-ass couch-sitting blob.
Thank you for your time!
Not that information is ever a bad thing, but when we have not only a board-certified orthopaedic surgeon active in this thread, but one whose subspecialty is sports medicine, is there really a reason to start dumping in research from Google University?
Yes, there is in my opinion. The post gave a bunch of interesting examples of other athletes who had the surgery and also spoke to long term outcomes. I love DRS as much as the next guy but he doesn't need to have some kind of total monopoly on medical commentary around here.
Jeez...lighten up. 99% of her post was a mildly interesting sidebar to something (a "jones fracture") that most of us probably never heard of 12 hours ago. I didn't see much, if anything, that stepped on DRS's toes.
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Yes. DRS does not have the time to do much more than make jokes about where he went to medical school and give his opinion based on broadcast tape.
Additional information is never unwelcome, especially when the poster puts forth effort to help others learn something new.
I don't think anyone is. Our game at Denver looks better now, and as noted, we arguably should be favorites every week, allowing for a couple of sketchy road games to wind up the season.
Realistically, Cincy appears to have a decent path to 15-1 and certainly 14-2. With the usual allowances -- for health and any given week -- only 3 games on their schedule give me much hope. A road game at Arizona, a road game at Denver - assuming, and it's a big assumption that Manning is back and effective by then ( thankfully it is late in the year) and a home game against Pittsburgh. I see the Bengals winning at least one of those, which gets me to 14-2 for them.
This may be one of those rare years when the 1 seed is on the line in week 17.
