Good. We really need someone who knows how to beat the wanks.FWIW
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Good. We really need someone who knows how to beat the wanks.FWIW
Reporter in MIN (sports reporter for the pioneer press)
In 2007 (I know, ancient history), Papelbon went more than an inning twice in the last two months of the season, including zero times in September. He then went multi-inning 6 of his 7 appearances in the postseason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Koji had 6 multi-inning appearances over the last two months of 2013.
Kimbrel had only 1 over the last two months of 2017.
Remember Koji wasn't the closer until much later in the year back in 2013.
He is the only manager in MLB history to take a team to the playoffs at least six times and never make it to the World Series, and only one of four with at least four playoff appearances to never appear in it.
What does Joe Morgan have to do to get some respect around here?Actually, who is third on the list of Sox managers in the last 50 years? It's Francona... big gap... Farrell... then... who, Jimy Williams? Kevin Kennedy? Slim pickins.
He was loosening before the homer. Not sure if he was throwing in earnest but both him and Reed were shown by the telecast as up when Sale was throwing warmups.Re: Kimbrel's performance, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
On the one hand, yes, I firmly believe that he was expecting to come into the game before the 9th inning. I also don't believe that he needed to do that a bunch over the last 1-2 months of the season to be ready for that situation.
On the other hand, I have my doubts that he was 100% ready to come into a tie game given how the game was going. I don't know when he started warming up, but I am guessing it wasn't until after the homer. Then Sale went ground out, single, line out, at which point the change was made. It was kind of an odd time to make the move. I bet Kimbrel figured his usage would be either A) come into the 8th with a lead or B) preserve a tie in the 9th and/or extra innings. Preserving a tie in the 8th is kind of a rarity for a closer. So I could see him being a little surprised by that usage.
He is a shoo-in at #2 for the 2 1/2 years he was in Boston. Although Jose Santiago is still waiting to start game 7 of the 1967 World Series (I know - no way was Gibson going to lose that one) and Williams' treatment of George Scott was shameful.Williams also won two WS titles in Oakland, and is a hall of famer. So if the question is about who was a good manager, period (as opposed to just in Boston), he's a shoo-in.
It is extremely funny to see you calling someone a troll.The poor mistreated 8-figure salaried athlete. Good grief. You've been doing a grade-A troll on this issue all week though. Kudos.
He hit 100 and 101 in that game several times and never did it during the season that I remember. He typically was 97-98.If he was overthrowing he would have in fact gotten swings and misses. He would have been wild, but he would have been throwing harder.
This is more of a philosophical question than anything else so we're never going to agree on this. My take is that if you want to use a guy for multiple innings in the postseason you should get him ready to do so by using him that way leading up to the postseason.
It's almost as if ideas like this are floated by outsiders, who want to gig Red Sox fans. ("Sveum is available!") Regardless, I would prefer the mummified remains of Dick Williams. Chances of bad in-game decisions will be lower.Gardenhire. Hahahaha. Yep, upgrade to Farrell alright...
What you can blame JF for most is how he managed game 1 like it was a regular season game, leaving Sale in to give up 5 runs when he clearly had nothing, and then two runners to start the 6th. Then he brought in Joe Kelly and 100% of Red Sox fans knew those two runners would score. Then the game ended without using a single good relief pitcher when he could have shown some urgency in keeping the game close and winnable.Re: Kimbrel's performance, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
On the one hand, yes, I firmly believe that he was expecting to come into the game before the 9th inning. I also don't believe that he needed to do that a bunch over the last 1-2 months of the season to be ready for that situation.
On the other hand, I have my doubts that he was 100% ready to come into a tie game given how the game was going. I don't know when he started warming up, but I am guessing it wasn't until after the homer. Then Sale went ground out, single, line out, at which point the change was made. It was kind of an odd time to make the move. I bet Kimbrel figured his usage would be either A) come into the 8th with a lead or B) preserve a tie in the 9th and/or extra innings. Preserving a tie in the 8th is kind of a rarity for a closer. So I could see him being a little surprised by that usage.
His performance doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
Again, Sale should have never started the 8th, that is where the problems began. THAT you CAN blame on JF.
Let’s humor for a second. If he’s in a top 3 then we have to assume that Cora Ausmus and Gardy are those top 3. I have to be honest I’m not really enjoying the linking of Ron to this job. He wasn’t a bad manager not really a great one either. I’ll have nightmares about whenever they play the Yankees or Craig Kimbrel pitching multiple innings in May.Saying the Red Sox are down to a top 3 hours after they fired Farrell is rich. I'm sure DD has a list of candidates but that tweet from the Pioneer Press reporter is hot garbage.
Kimbrel hit 100 with the fastball several times during the season, but averaged lower.He hit 100 and 101 in that game several times and never did it during the season that I remember. He typically was 97-98.
Pure speculation obviously, but Gardenhire might be the short-term manager scenario that allows Varitek to get a couple years in as bench coach/pitcher whisperer before being promoted. With Cora or Ausmus I assume the hope would be for longer-term success.Gardenhire buzz is weird, sort of out of left field and feels like either he's floating it or someone in the Sox FO is leaking it. I wont be surprised if that's the direction DD goes though. Sort of fits DD's description of the job, knows him from his Tiger days, has worked with young teams. I think he's a real candidate. This is make or break decision for DD, I dont think he's gonna go with Alex Cora or someone of that ilk.
I'm cool with Girardi as well but I feel like it will Ausmus.I'm on the Girardi train as well, assuming he becomes available.
He did a good job with a very young Marlins team in 2006
He's used to managing in a large market
I think that if I had to pinpoint the 10 times that I was most furious with a non Davy Johnson manager, 8 of them would be games where Ron Gardenhire was "managing" against the Yankees. "Be aggressive boys. Hit 3-0 at idiotic moments." I can't stand him. I'd rather have Bobby Valentine back! He's awful.
Proof that Jung's shadow archetype is valid.It is extremely funny to see you calling someone a troll.
This excerpt from the article is particularly reassuring to me. We know Henry is an analytics guy, but there is some evidence that DD is not and, perhaps, has full (or almost full) autonomy for these kinds of decisions. Henry's involvement here suggests that Ausmus and Gardenhire can't be legit candidates, which I hope to God is the case.From Sean McAdam: One baseball source suggested that while Henry had long been a backer of Farrell’s, that support began to waver this season as the team underperformed for stretches, and Henry, who is intensely driven by analytics, began to join the chorus of those who found fault with Farrell’s tactical moves.
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2017/10/11/making-call-fire-farrell-dombrowskis-red-sox-now-ever/
This excerpt from the article is particularly reassuring to me. We know Henry is an analytics guy, but there is some evidence that DD is not and, perhaps, has full (or almost full) autonomy for these kinds of decisions. Henry's involvement here suggests that Ausmus and Gardenhire can't be legit candidates, which I hope to God is the case.
I don't know who I want, but I know I don't want Ausmus or Gardenhire.
As of now (if I'm reading BR correctly), the Sox have two years before Chris Sale is a free agent, one year before Drew Pomeranz and Craig Kimbrell can walk, and three years before Mookie can become a FA. Now's not the time to futz around with caretaker managers.Pure speculation obviously, but Gardenhire might be the short-term manager scenario that allows Varitek to get a couple years in as bench coach/pitcher whisperer before being promoted. With Cora or Ausmus I assume the hope would be for longer-term success.
Same here. Some people have said that Cora is a great baseball mind. I have no way of knowing that, but I'd rather gamble that they're right and hire him than DD bring in either of those guys. Not possible to turn back the clock just two years and give the job to Lovullo, right?This excerpt from the article is particularly reassuring to me. We know Henry is an analytics guy, but there is some evidence that DD is not and, perhaps, has full (or almost full) autonomy for these kinds of decisions. Henry's involvement here suggests that Ausmus and Gardenhire can't be legit candidates, which I hope to God is the case.
I don't know who I want, but I know I don't want Ausmus or Gardenhire.
Cora is in Houston so he has probably bought into the analytics koolaid. They're supposedly the team that is most analytics based of them all.Same here. Some people have said that Cora is a great baseball mind. I have no way of knowing that, but I'd rather gamble that they're right and hire him than DD bring in either of those guys. Not possible to turn back the clock just two years and give the job to Lovullo, right?
this reads to me like Henry thinks we were badly outcoached / outprepared, because Farrell's influence on two 8-2 losses in-game is very minimal, even with the Marrero start in game 2.Recently, Henry scoffed when someone suggested that the team’s dismal performance in the first two games in Houston in the ALDS was not something that could be blamed on Farrell. In retrospect, losing Henry’s confidence may have been the most obvious signal that his days were numbered."
He'd hafta do something memorable, like go 19-1 or win an MLB-record 24 consecutive home games. I know, I know .... he'd need some kind of magic to accomplish something like that.What does Joe Morgan have to do to get some respect around here?
or they think they were so badly coached that they should be close to the same tier as Cleveland/Houston with a better staff.I don't have the time right now to read the whole thread, but I'm happy Farrell is gone, if for no other reason than for his below-average ability to coach in-games.
However, from what I did see in this thread, I noted a few folks congratulating DD on this move. I guess congrats are in order, seeing as it's the right move, but I also believe that DD is skating a bit and not shouldering as much of the blame as he should.
Zup and I have disagreed on Red Sox managers on occasion (!) but I am completely with him here. Ron Gardenhire is Bobby Valentine without the creativity...just an awful choice.I think that if I had to pinpoint the 10 times that I was most furious with a non Davy Johnson manager, 8 of them would be games where Ron Gardenhire was "managing" against the Yankees. "Be aggressive boys. Hit 3-0 at idiotic moments." I can't stand him. I'd rather have Bobby Valentine back! He's awful.
Sure. However he is only 59. Only 4 years older than Farrell. I just hope they don’t go with him Ausmus or the strange Vegas betting rumor of the day (-1800) Ventura.Aren't teams required to interview a diverse selection of candidates for these positions now?
I hope the Gardenhire interview is just to check the "crotchety old white guy" box on the MLB paperwork.
There is definitely a silver lining to the Red Sox hiring Gardenhire. It will guarantee that Dombrowski will be pushed out the door right after the 2019 season. Hopefully, soon thereafter, we can hire a competent GM with the appropriate respect for using analytics to gain a competitive advantage in modern baseball.Didn't Gardenhire emerge from the same baseball primordial soup that tried to turn that Ortiz guy into a oppo-happy turf-slappy home run avoider?
But at least he's a solid post-season performer:
You are holding the GM to an insanely high bar. Since he arrived, he acquired Price, Sale and Kimbrel. This year he acquired Nunez and Reed at the deadline and went with Devers instead of trading additional assets.I also believe that DD is skating a bit and not shouldering as much of the blame as he should. This team has flaws, serious flaws, on the diamond, and at the end of the day, no matter what Farrell did, he didn't have the horses to compete with Houston, Cleveland, or probably even New York, in this post-season. Is that really all Farrell's fault?
There is definitely a silver lining to the Red Sox hiring Gardenhire. It will guarantee that Dombrowski will be pushed out the door right after the 2019 season. Hopefully, soon thereafter, we can hire a competent GM with the appropriate respect for using analytics to gain a competitive advantage in modern baseball.
Show me one post on this board where someone said no one could be worse than Farrell.That no one could be worse than Farrell?
There was a lot of that sentiment in the Farrell Watch thread the last few days. Same on Twitter.
Hey according to Smiling Joe Lovullo only won the superficial wildcard and got swept. I bet the Diamondbacks will be holding a press conference tomorrow to announce his firing.. So he won a wild card..Whoop Dee Damm do...that and $1.25 will get you a small coffee.So now we trade Devin marrero to the Dbacks for Lovullo, right?
Agree with this sentiment completely. DD better make a good pick here. His job is on the line. And if/when he fails, that is two premier franchises he GMed and in the end failed in leading. He has to know this.There is definitely a silver lining to the Red Sox hiring Gardenhire. It will guarantee that Dombrowski will be pushed out the door right after the 2019 season. Hopefully, soon thereafter, we can hire a competent GM with the appropriate respect for using analytics to gain a competitive advantage in modern baseball.