Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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The Napkin said:
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But they are though. This is either a big deal or a small one. My shirt is either blue or red. It is not both. That means mututally exclusive champ.

And btw wenzink where is the evidence linking Brady to this? Still waiting for your response to that one.
 

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Why don't you read what he actually wrote again and see if you understand it this time. I'll even take out therest of the words to make it easier for you.

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It's a big deal being made over a small infraction.
And knock off the champ and chief crap.
 

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The idea Brady should just be suspended and because public opinion is against the Pats so the battle is over is so embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/patriotsnationn/status/597041615656587264

https://twitter.com/patriotsnationn/status/597041615656587264

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This is the summary of the Wells report. Please enlighten us WenZink on why the Pats should just admit to wrongdoing when they did not do anything outside the rules? And judging by all the numbers reported its likely the Pats inflate to 12.5 (legal) and Colts probably inflate to the mid 14s. The fact the NFL DID NOT RECORD THE WEIGHTS OF THE BALLS BEFORE THE GAME throws away any possible way to condemn New England for balls being slightly under at halftime.

So anyone on Felgers side here is wrong, per usual. Theres no evidence. Public opinion (who all hate the Patriots) is the main reason some of you want the Pats to admit guilt? Hilarious.
 

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southshoresoxfan said:
But they are though. This is either a big deal or a small one. My shirt is either blue or red. It is not both. That means mututally exclusive champ.

And btw wenzink where is the evidence linking Brady to this? Still waiting for your response to that one.
Still haven't been able to figure it out, I see.  Well keep at it and you might just get it some day.
 
As for evidence, Goodell doesn't need a smoking gun to come to a conclusion that "more probable than not" Brady was “at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.”  They come to that conclusion because, “a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences.”
 
And yeah, I buy that, at least from the evidence presented in the report.  If pertinent evidence was left out that would indicate, Brady and his lawyers are free to present it, although sooner would have been better than later.
 
And the ironic thing is that Brady didn't/doesn't even have to admit any guilt.  All he has to do is take responsibility for using his position to put two lackeys in a position where they would go beyond what was allowable to meet Brady's demands.
 
The NFL doesn't want to suspend Brady -- he's probably their biggest drawing card.  Any gesture by Brady might have (and maybe still could) reduce his punishment to a fine.  But t think they view Brady as being uncooperative, evasive and maybe even obstructive.
 
A Brady suspension over such an insignificant violation would be absurd, but it's likely to happen.  Brady should apologize for being indifferent to his part in causing two nitwits to deflate footballs after they'd been signed by a ref.  What's the big deal?  As Louis CK had said on the matter, "“I mean, why not? It’s a stupid football game.”
 

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southshoresoxfan said:
Another post just like the Wells report...long and full of nothing. Keep up the good work.
 
Here's an idea: Why don't you get word to Goodell that you're going to hold your breath until your face turns blue unless he exonerates Brady of any wrong-doing.
 

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Here's an idea: Why don't you get word to Goodell that you're going to hold your breath until your face turns blue unless he exonerates Brady of any wrong-doing.
Listen we get it. You don't like Brady and the Pats. Thats fine. But getting so excited about an empty 243 page report that literally proves nothing about anything to the point where the ONLY possible conclusion you can reach is that "well yknow, i dont want to see Brady suspended but public opinion!" is an absolute joke.
 

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Listen we get it. You don't like Brady and the Pats. Thats fine. But getting so excited about an empty 243 page report that literally proves nothing about anything to the point where the ONLY possible conclusion you can reach is that "well yknow, i dont want to see Brady suspended but public opinion!" is an absolute joke.
 
No, you don't get it.  I've been a Patriot fan for over 50 years.  I've seen them play home games in 5 different home fields.  I don't want to see Brady get suspended.  You, on the other hand, look forward to a Brady suspension so you can whine about it all season, and poop you pants while you spend next fall cry about, "Why are they picking on my Pats!!"
 
This is all about dealing with the situation at hand.  The goal is to minimize the damage and get on with it.
 
Now go troll somewhere else.
 

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No, you don't get it.  I've been a Patriot fan for over 50 years.  I've seen them play home games in 5 different home fields.  I don't want to see Brady get suspended.  You, on the other hand, look forward to a Brady suspension so you can whine about it all season, and poop you pants while you spend next fall cry about, "Why are they picking on my Pats!!"
 
This is all about dealing with the situation at hand.  The goal is to minimize the damage and get on with it.
 
Now go troll somewhere else.
I think I'll stick with you actually. Pretty easy target evidently.

We appreciate the fact your not a "homer" like me. Lends a nice level of credibility to your nonsensical points.

And no, I am not looking forward to a Brady suspension. Looks like Im not the only one with some reading comprehension skill issues here.
 

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It's pretty hard to determine anything with "absolute certainty." I don't think that's any kind of "Gotcha!" quote at all for Brady defenders to latch on to. . The totality of the report is very damning,
 

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So you really don't understand how "a big deal being made over a small infraction" is not mutually exclusive then? Has the phrase "make a mountain out of a mole hill" always confused you too?
 

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So you really don't understand how "a big deal being made over a small infraction" is not mutually exclusive then? Has the phrase "make a mountain out of a mole hill" always confused you too?
 
To be fair, you did leave off the part of the quote that makes it contradictory, no?
 


 It's a big deal being made over a small infraction, but it's still a big deal.
 
The phrase "make a mountain out of a mole hill that's really a mountain" would be pretty confusing.
 

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Man, I know you're too smart to say that with a straight face. It is a big deal, over a small infraction. Yes, it's a small infraction. It's still a big deal, and one can dramatically shit one's pants in the denial of it or can acknowledge that words mean things and reality does not stop existing because one wishes it does, and go from there.

WenZink has been pretty calm in the face of some of the most aggressive stupid that I can recall outside of protected persons and V&N. Not perfectly so, but nobody is (least of all me).
 

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WenZink got a sad right away and said he was taking his ball and going home. I guess that counts for calm? 
 
The #1 rule at SOSH is "don't suck".  That includes trying to post in English, rather than meme caption speak.
 
Everyone: We've already had suspensions in here, please try to put some thought and effort into your posts and decide whether they're worth posting in the first place.
 

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Are you a moderator making that request of me, or just some blowhard?
 
If you don't know who Sumner is...Tread lightly.
 
He is the one who knocks. 
 

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If you don't know who Sumner is...Tread lightly.
 
He is the one who knocks. 
 
Fair enough. If he's a mod then fine he's speaking for the site and it's not just his personal opinion. I'll knock it off.
 
But frankly, I think someone who gets in a disagreement and threatens to leave -- then keeps on posting -- also violates the "do not suck" rule. 
 

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Not really a fan of Felger, but he's right on this one.  His reaction to the Wells report is unusually subdued and to the point.  It's a big deal being made over a small infraction, but it's still a big deal.
 
Of course the 10% of Patriots defenders will be debating this issue for the next 40 years.  Have fun amongst yourselves.
Is this the post where you believe wenzink "took his ball and went home?" You might want to read it again.
 

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Still haven't been able to figure it out, I see.  Well keep at it and you might just get it some day.
 
As for evidence, Goodell doesn't need a smoking gun to come to a conclusion that "more probable than not" Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.  They come to that conclusion because, a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences.
 
And yeah, I buy that, at least from the evidence presented in the report.  If pertinent evidence was left out that would indicate, Brady and his lawyers are free to present it, although sooner would have been better than later.
 
And the ironic thing is that Brady didn't/doesn't even have to admit any guilt.  All he has to do is take responsibility for using his position to put two lackeys in a position where they would go beyond what was allowable to meet Brady's demands.
 
The NFL doesn't want to suspend Brady -- he's probably their biggest drawing card.  Any gesture by Brady might have (and maybe still could) reduce his punishment to a fine.  But t think they view Brady as being uncooperative, evasive and maybe even obstructive.
 
Guys,
Read the Brady Fix thread. Lawyers have weighed in and said the Wells report reads "more like advocacy than an independent investigation" and called it an embarrassment. Scientists have weighed in and pointed out the ways that the numbers and logic are biased and wrong. You can continue to believe Wells showed Brady or the Pats are guilty of something... but that would make you incorrect.

Partial summary:
-there were two gauges. They differ by 0.3-0.4 psi, and 0.3 psi is how much the Pats were accused of being off. No one knows which gauges were used at which time.
- Exponent is in the business of selling biased reports.
- Brady was so careful about the rules he submitted a copy of the 12.5 psi rule to the refs. Hardly the actions of someone trying to hide their behavior.
- A 30-60s change in when the balls were measured could change the conclusions. Wells told the science people which numbers to use for the measurement timing, and the appendix says their conclusions are only valid with Wells' numbers. The logic is circular.


I realize that thread is too long and no one has time to read it all. Maybe someone should pull out the best posts into a highlight thread.
 

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Fair enough. If he's a mod then fine he's speaking for the site and it's not just his personal opinion. I'll knock it off.
 
But frankly, I think someone who gets in a disagreement and threatens to leave -- then keeps on posting -- also violates the "do not suck" rule. 
 
Yeah, but I can't find a post where he did that.  The one BH quoted just says that people who obsess over this are going to be chasing their own tails for 40 years.  Which may or may not be true, but it's not what you're saying.  I might've missed another post, but I looked through the past couple of pages a couple of times and couldn't see such a thing.
 
FYI there are labels underneath everyone's name that say "Lurker", "Member", "Supporter", "Lifetime", etc.  The ones who say Moderator, Dope, and Geek help out with site maintenance and such.  They may not be visible on the mobile app, though.
 

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Guys,
Read the Brady Fix thread. Lawyers have weighed in and said the Wells report reads "more like advocacy than an independent investigation" and called it an embarrassment. Scientists have weighed in and pointed out the ways that the numbers and logic are biased and wrong. You can continue to believe Wells showed Brady or the Pats are guilty of something... but that would make you incorrect.

Partial summary:
-there were two gauges. They differ by 0.3-0.4 psi, and 0.3 psi is how much the Pats were accused of being off. No one knows which gauges were used at which time.
- Exponent is in the business of selling biased reports.
- Brady was so careful about the rules he submitted a copy of the 12.5 psi rule to the refs. Hardly the actions of someone trying to hide their behavior.
- A 30-60s change in when the balls were measured could change the conclusions. Wells told the science people which numbers to use for the measurement timing, and the appendix says their conclusions are only valid with Wells' numbers. The logic is circular.


I realize that thread is too long and no one has time to read it all. Maybe someone should pull out the best posts into a highlight thread.
 
This post belongs in the BradyFix thread, unless you're responding to statements made by Felger and/or Mazz, and reference the show.
 
My arguments, here, should have nothing to do with the fairness or accuracy of the investigation and presentation of the Wells report.  It was intended to be about how to deal with a fait accompli and Felger's suggested that Brady should admit to whatever.  Brady may be the best QB ever.  He probably has 30-60 games left in his career.  i don't want to see 10%-20% of that career lost to suspension.  My advice is Brady admit to being part of the problem in a "general way,"  He does not have to admit to any specific wrong-doing, other than putting pressure on a couple of stooges.  Goodell should be searching for a way not to suspend Brady, and, hopefully, he'd grab at a Brady statement to just assess a fine and still look vindicated.
 
No guarantee it works, but it can't hurt.   I don't give a crap about Brady's reputation being damaged further.  80% of football fans outside of NE already think he's crap.
 

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Yeah, but I can't find a post where he did that.  The one BH quoted just says that people who obsess over this are going to be chasing their own tails for 40 years.  Which may or may not be true, but it's not what you're saying.  I might've missed another post, but I looked through the past couple of pages a couple of times and couldn't see such a thing.
 
FYI there are labels underneath everyone's name that say "Lurker", "Member", "Supporter", "Lifetime", etc.  The ones who say Moderator, Dope, and Geek help out with site maintenance and such.  They may not be visible on the mobile app, though.
 
 
Fair enough then. I misunderstood his post, and I apologize to him and to you for my response. 
 
Thanks for the heads up about how to tell if someone is a mod. I can see the "geek" under your avatar, but didn't know what it meant.
 

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This post belongs in the BradyFix thread, unless you're responding to statements made by Felger and/or Mazz, and reference the show.
 
The recent status of this thread has been all about the report and what Felger said about it.  And he's wrong:
 
WenZink said:
 
Not really a fan of Felger, but he's right on this one.  His reaction to the Wells report is unusually subdued and to the point.  It's a big deal being made over a small infraction, but it's still a big deal.  Of course the 10% of Patriots defenders will be debating this issue for the next 40 years.  Have fun amongst yourselves.
 
WenZink said:
Felger got frustrated with a "true believer" insisting the NFL "has nothing."  It frustrates me, as well, which is why I'm not in the football section debating the issue.  I'm past that.  It doesn't matter to me what 10% of the country thinks.  The Patriots have lost the debate, and lost the case, as well.  Get past it.  It's over, except for trying to mitigate the damages.
 
WenZink said:
I know you disagree.  It's an enormous leap for you, but it's not for me.  If I was on a juror on a criminal trial, I'd be instructed that I must find the evidence of guilt, beyond a reasonable doubt, and I'd vote not guilty.  But in this case, "more probable than not" works for me.  If Brady and his lawyers can present evidence (either new or already given, but excluded from the Wells report) I'll listen/read and keep an open mind.
 
WenZink said:
It's not such a "leap."  To make that leap, a person just has to deem that it was 51% - 49% that Brady made directions to under-inflate the balls, or knew, somehow, that it was being done by said "nitwits."  From what I've read (and I haven't read everything, but more than excerpts) it's not a leap for me to say that it's "more probable than not" that Brady was complicit.  The burden of proof is far below what would be required to get a criminal conviction.
 
Getting back to the topic in the thread, I felt Felger did a good job articulating the meaning and significance of "more probable than not."  You don't need a smoking gun to arrive at a judgement and punishment.  I have a lot of problems with the NFL pursuing this in the first place, but the evidence provided in the report is convincing enough to surmise that Brady was complicit.
 
Look, this thread has devolved into a mess because you and others keep repeating that Felger is right.  And in particular, you keep saying that the standard of evidence is appropriate and that's why Felger is right and 90% of the country is right and 10% of Patriots fans are wrong.
 
Except it's not about the standard of evidence.  The report is a steaming pile of crap that has nothing to do with the standard of evidence.  The report is wrong and Felger is wrong -- because the logic and facts in the report are flawed. 
 
The fight in this thread is all about the report and how accurate it is.  It's unfair for you to say the report is greater than 50% correct so it's correct (quote #4 above), then declare the correctness of the report off limits (quote #3 above), and then call people trolls who talk about the correctness of the report (about 10 posts up). 
 
I'm happy to take the rest of this to PM. 
 

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Fair enough then. I misunderstood his post, and I apologize to him and to you for my response. 
 
Thanks for the heads up about how to tell if someone is a mod. I can see the "geek" under your avatar, but didn't know what it meant.
 
This is rather insufficient. This site is modded first and foremost by the members--it's a kind of emerging consensus model, not in the sense that we ever reach consensus (about anything besides Pedro) but in that the general standards emerge from the popular will. I don't mean what is acceptable content, but more about the formal standards of what is acceptable discourse and treatment of others.
 
Which is to say, the fact that you needed to understand what SumnerH's membership label meant before you were willing to cool it despite having several others indicate that your behavior was uncool is problematic. 
 

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There is no Rev said:
 
This is rather insufficient. This site is modded first and foremost by the members--it's a kind of emerging consensus model, not in the sense that we ever reach consensus (about anything besides Pedro) but in that the general standards emerge from the popular will. I don't mean what is acceptable content, but more about the formal standards of what is acceptable discourse and treatment of others.
 
Which is to say, the fact that you needed to understand what SumnerH's membership label meant before you were willing to cool it despite having several others indicate that your behavior was uncool is problematic. 
 
 
Nobody else indicated my behavior was problematic. One other guy pointed out that I had misunderstood the comment. 
 
Edit: and to explain a little more about why it mattered to me if he was a mod. A mod typically understands what the majority of the members find acceptable. Some one off poster might not like a given post, but that particular post could be fine and generally acceptable on the forum.  
 

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crystalline said:
 
The recent status of this thread has been all about the report and what Felger said about it.  And he's wrong:
 
 
 
 
 
Look, this thread has devolved into a mess because you and others keep repeating that Felger is right.  And in particular, you keep saying that the standard of evidence is appropriate and that's why Felger is right and 90% of the country is right and 10% of Patriots fans are wrong.
 
Except it's not about the standard of evidence.  The report is a steaming pile of crap that has nothing to do with the standard of evidence.  The report is wrong and Felger is wrong -- because the logic and facts in the report are flawed. 
 
The fight in this thread is all about the report and how accurate it is.  It's unfair for you to say the report is greater than 50% correct so it's correct (quote #4 above), then declare the correctness of the report off limits (quote #3 above), and then call people trolls who talk about the correctness of the report (about 10 posts up). 
 
I'm happy to take the rest of this to PM. 
 
Look, I said that this thread "should" be about responding to certain things Felger said about the Wells report, within 24 hours after it came out.  I ended up being trolled by some kid, who used established trolling techniques such as ignoring my written words and tell me "what I really meant to say."  So, inevitably, the conversation went out of bounds.  Some of iit was justified, IMO, to at least correct the distortions by some 14 year old nitwit.  But, yes, at some point you should just ignore the idiots that are just going to keep trolling. So, I apologize for feeding the trolls.   I am surprised, however, at how many nonsense, trolling post are allowed here at SOSH.
 

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MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
 
 
Nobody else indicated my behavior was problematic. One other guy pointed out that I had misunderstood the comment. 
 
Edit: and to explain a little more about why it mattered to me if he was a mod. A mod typically understands what the majority of the members find acceptable. Some one off poster might not like a given post, but that particular post could be fine and generally acceptable on the forum.  
 
So, as a lurker, and a relatively new poster, do you actually think it was "acceptable" to ask another poster if he's a blowhard?  Is that what we can expect from you if we're not a MOD or a DOPE or a GEEK?
 

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WenZink said:
 
So, as a lurker, and a relatively new poster, do you actually think it was "acceptable" to ask another poster if he's a blowhard?  Is that what we can expect from you if we're not a MOD or a DOPE or a GEEK?
 
I didn't know I needed 700 posts before I could start calling people nitwits and trolls. And blowhards.
 
And I tried to drop this with my apology. I'm going to drop it again now.
 

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I didn't know I needed 700 posts before I could start calling people nitwits and trolls. And blowhards.
 
And I tried to drop this with my apology. I'm going to drop it again
Wow, some people just don't get it. 
 
Moving on:
 
Caught a little of the show on Friday and was a little disappointed that Felger did start to resort to more trolling than the previous 2 days when the report was first handed down. I'm sure part of that was because he was expecting the punishment to be handed down during the show and wasn't quite prepared when it wasn't, and really, there isn't much more to report on the topic.
 

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They're neatly setting up their next wave of talking points: Brady should work with the league and accept a suspension in the 2 game range. if he doesn't, he's apparently a bad teammate.
 

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They're neatly setting up their next wave of talking points: Brady should work with the league and accept a suspension in the 2 game range. if he doesn't, he's apparently a bad teammate.
What show are you listeing to right now???
 
They have ZERO to talk about, the Red Sox suck, no Bruins, no Celtics, so they are coming out and saying that they are playing talk show radio games today and pontificating how the team, Brady and fans would react.
 

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Felger: It's the Patriots fault this blew up, if they just said on day 1 that their ball boy went to the bathroom, end of story. Deny, Deny, Accuse. The league didn't want to do this. The Patriots forced them to. 
 
Ugh.
 

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Other Points made by Felger today from 2:00 - 3:50
 
1. NFL is making way too much of out of this
2. The fact that they let 1st half of AFC title game played with the balls shows they think it's a minor violation.
3. Wells report is very flawed
4. The Patriots should share more of the blame to take some of the heat off of Brady
5. Brady/Pats should see if they can make a deal to get smaller penalty
6.  If Pats didn't do anything wrong, then why did McNally lie, lie and lie.
 

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You forgot that after 4 interviewsthe pats were annoyed at the fifth and asked for more info.
 
I'm not sure what that means.  Are you referring to the unavailability of McNally for a 4th interview?  The NFL wanted him back after they finally got the messages/calls from he and Jastremski's phones.
 
Do you really think Felger has been trolling today?  (or at least in first 2 hours) 
 

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Adam Jones might be worse than F&M on this.  He is being absolutely insufferable right now.
 

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I've never really listened to Jones' show, but I made the mistake of tuning in on my way home from the gym. How does a guy with his voice and cadence have a career in radio? 
 

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You forgot that after 4 interviewsthe pats were annoyed at the fifth and asked for more info.
You're forgetting that Felger is right, yes the NFL had 4 interviews, however they requested a 5th after they found the text messages and the Patriots stone walled with bogus excuses about his work schedule even though the investigators offered to meet him whenever and wherever and even warned the Patriots Counsel that this wouldn't look good for them. 
 
F&M's argument is that the penalty is ridiculous but that this is the basis behind why they got it.  
 
They have been playing this as close to down the middle as you can, when the report first came out I expected them to go into full on troll mode but they have been relatively consistent.
 

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You're forgetting that Felger is right, yes the NFL had 4 interviews, however they requested a 5th after they found the text messages and the Patriots stone walled with bogus excuses about his work schedule even though the investigators offered to meet him whenever and wherever and even warned the Patriots Counsel that this wouldn't look good for them. 
 
F&M's argument is that the penalty is ridiculous but that this is the basis behind why they got it.  
 
They have been playing this as close to down the middle as you can, when the report first came out I expected them to go into full on troll mode but they have been relatively consistent.
 
I tuned in to Felger and Mazz right after the penalties were announced in their expanded 6-7pm hour.  I didn't detect any trolling.  A caller maintained that the whole motivation of the NFL was to cut down Brady because the league's "Golden Boy," Peyton Manning, had only won one championship.  Felger just said, "Well, you're entitled to your opinion," and then let it drop.  No "footie-pajamas" schtick.  Mazz' take was that even he was surprised by the scope of the penalties and considered them harsh.  You could hear the "glee" in Tony's voice, but this whole affair is a huge Bonanza for the #1 Sports Talk show in Boston.  With the Sox off to a slow start, and the Bruins and now Celtics out of the playoffs, this is solid gold.  They'll milk this one right up to the day Brady returns in October.  As will every other sports show in town.  Even clowns like Tanguay just tripled their income over the next 5 months.
 

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the1andonly3003 said:
ripping Goodell, ripping Kraft for backing him from day 1, ripping the ruling that BB escaped (should have deserved a suspension like Payton)
 
Felger has gotten away from his more "measured" approach that he'd taken since last Thursday.  Af first, when suggesting the Patriots just "admit it" on day one, he added, they still would have gotten slammed, but that it probably would have helped.  Today it's more a case of it would have been a minor penalty if they just admitted it from the start.
 
One very good point is slamming Kraft for defending Goodell(after the disclosure of the full videotape of Ray Rice and his fiancee.) last fall in spite of his incompetence.  And now, less than 8 months later, Kraft is a victim of Goodell's incompetence.
 

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Mazz wants BB on a silver platter.  I couldn't last more than 1 minute.  Just awful radio.
 

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The pivot to somehow finding Belichick at fault, after the Wells Report explicitly did not, is amazing.  Only these two knuckleheads could attempt this.
 

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Rusty13 said:
Mazz wants BB on a silver platter.  I couldn't last more than 1 minute.  Just awful radio.
my take on that is he is using the NFL's punitive stance of "you should have known" against Payton for Bountygate and that should have applied here too
 
if the NFL were to go this ridiculous punishment, they might as well have slammed BB with that too
 

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Rusty13 said:
 I couldn't last more than 1 minute.  Just awful radio.
 
I couldn't listen and again the problem was both Mazz and Felger spouting the same opinion. It great to hear a different or controversial opinion but at least have a second person with another opinion. Today, I added 93.7 to my car presets, it was part of the FM2 stations. So much sports talk and 98.5 just can't be on right now.