Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[NortheasternPJ]

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I would assume Belichick, along with many if not all other GMs, would use a different chart every year based on the talent dispersion of each draft. I could be way off, but with how much time and energy they spend on research, wouldn't it make sense to adjust the chart for the depth of every draft(including next year's).
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I agree, which also means every team has a different chart. Instead of "THE PATRIOTS LOST 120 POINTS IN THAT TRADE!!?!?!" its a lot more grey than that. However, I think most fans still read that early 90's chart as gospel.

 

[Darnell's Son]

Yeah, and that's kind of what makes all draft talk silly to a point. We will never know, because teams will never tell us, how teams value picks and how that value changes not only year to year, but pick to pick, mid-draft. It makes for interesting conversation, but in the end we will never know who is right. It would be really cool if the NFL could run some type of "Hard Knocks" for the draft, where we could get more inside access. It could actually make it even more interesting if they aired it several years later, and we could see how that draft actually worked for the front office. Of course, no front office would subject itself to that much exposure, because it would create hard evidence on how stupid a GM could be(fairly or unfairly).

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

So Felger apparently reads SOSH, at least the BBTLombardis Forum.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/72000-nate-ebner-the-pats-special-teams-just-got-better-at-rugby/

Today he brought up Pats 6th round pick Nate Ebner. W/in five minutes he:

1. Talked about how amazing the youtube clip is (post #2)
2. Explained how the video reminds him of "Charles Jefferson" from Fast Times At Ridgemont High (post #16)
3. Has decided he's nicknaming Ebner "White Lightning" (post #42)

That can't all be a coincidence, can it?

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

With the new salary slotting its even more worthless. If BBis sitting there with that chart in 2012 I'd be shocked and disappointed.

Good point.

If BB was sitting there with that chart in 2002 I'd be shocked and disappointed.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

So according to a tweet from Marc Bertrand, Mazz may have blown out his Achilles in a charity game and won't be on the air today because he's in the hospital. Gresh and Zo are going to town on this one.

 

[jsinger121]

 

[Billy Jo Robidoux]

I wish he had blown out his vocal cords instead.

 

[Phenom]

So according to a tweet from Marc Bertrand, Mazz may have blown out his Achilles in a charity game and won't be on the air today because he's in the hospital. Gresh and Zo are going to town on this one.

This is hilarious...Zo comparing Mazz blowing out his Achilles to Dan Marino blowing out his.

I feel for Mazz, as a torn Achilles is a pretty serious injury. However, I can't be the only one who's gleefully thinking about the possibility of more regular pairings of Felger and Bertrand for the time being...

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

I wish he had blown out his vocal cords instead.

+1 :bravo:

 

[Blacken]

Somebody draw the big sharpie X over Mazz's larynx.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Ah crap. It's Wiggy day.

 

[the1andonly3003]

sounds like Wiggy filling in...that is too bad

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Wiggy Tuesdays. Murder me.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Just announced Felger and Bertrand today and now Jackie MacMullen on the air.

Edit: That was disappointing, she came on the air to let everyone know what happened to Mazz and as soon as Felger asked her a question about the Celtics she said she had to go because she works for the other station.

 

[the1andonly3003]

as soon as Felger asked her a question about the Celtics she said she had to go because she works for the other station.

did she really say that?

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Yeah pretty much, I think the exact quote was "I can't get into that because I get paid by the other station". I get it, she has a contract with EEI and doesn't want to screw that up by talking about the Celtics with TSH, but it was still disappointing.

 

[gammoseditor]

Yeah pretty much, I think the exact quote was "I can't get into that because I get paid by the other station". I get it, she has a contract with EEI and doesn't want to screw that up by talking about the Celtics with TSH, but it was still disappointing.

What are the odds she said this before going on and Felger asked anyway? 90%?

 

[HomeBrew1901]

With Felger anywhere from 0 -100%. It wouldn't surprise me if she told a producer and he forgot or didn't tell Felger and I wouldn't be shocked if she told him directly and he asked anyway because it would be good for the show.

 

[Andy Merchant]

I feel bad for Mazz, and I know all too well what a crappy injury a ruptured Achilles is. When my Achilles ruptured (unsuccessfully legging out an infield single), I was in a cast for several weeks after my surgery followed up by a walking boot after that. It wasn't a very painful injury, but not being able to walk sucks and it took about three months before I could do things I always took for granted (like driving a car). I try to keep that in mind when I feel bad about the biceps tendon rupture I'm currently recovering from.

 

[SoxScout]

I just find it hilarious that it happened because Dana Barros was locking him down on D.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

This Squeaky Mazz injury update is awesome. I'm dying.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

We shall now see how touch the "Sudbury Softie" really is.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Credit where it's due, I love that Felger beats the Tim Donaghy/Scott Foster drum every chance he gets. That story needs to stay out there, and I'm glad he's made it a crusade.

 

[jmm57]

Mazz is worse than normal today. He seems like a good guy, but my ears are gonna enjoy the time he is out.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

It's pretty well known around here that I'm a Felger apologist and can't fucking stand Beckett. But once he hears that Cook is starting for Beckett because he is sore from pitching 126 pitches last week, he is going to be insufferable for a few days with the Texas Tough Guy stuff.

 

[Andy Merchant]

It's pretty well known around here that I'm a Felger apologist and can't fucking stand Beckett. But once he hears that Cook is starting for Beckett because he is sore from pitching 126 pitches last week, he is going to be insufferable for a few days with the Texas Tough Guy stuff.

I know Felger will kill Beckett, but I think the more important question is WTF was Valentine thinking having a pitcher who's had an ongoing problem staying healthy over the course of a season throw 126 pitches in April?

 

[Haunted]

Because their bullpen is absolutely fucking horrid and he probably feels that a tired starter is better than the garbage he has as alternatives. Is it the right move? I don't know. But it's certainly defensible.

 

[TheRealness]

Or Beckett is a giant raving pussy who is getting his menses all over the place?

You know, either or. I'd hate to speculate.

 

[Andy Merchant]

Because their bullpen is absolutely fucking horrid and he probably feels that a tired starter is better than the garbage he has as alternatives. Is it the right move? I don't know. But it's certainly defensible.

I'll buy that reasoning with someone durable like Lester, but I just don't see it with a guy who probably hasn't been relatively healthy throughout the season since 2009.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Felger says you can't like hockey and basketball. What an idiot.

 

[Haunted]

Or Beckett is a giant raving pussy who is getting his menses all over the place?

You know, either or. I'd hate to speculate.

I will allow for this possibility.

I'll buy that reasoning with someone durable like Lester, but I just don't see it with a guy who probably hasn't been relatively healthy throughout the season since 2009.

I've noticed a definite trend since the NY debacle where pitchers are being left in a few batters too long. Buchholz has been the victim of it a couple times now. Like I said, I neither agree nor disagree with it as the right thing to do, but it's certainly defensible.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I've only listened to half the show, but its amazing they're just glossing over the Seau stuff when its the top story of the day.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

For the first time in a long time I agree with something that Mazz said. This is a pretty unlikeable team to me and I have very little interest in watching the games this year as a result, especially with how I feel the ownership has been jerking the fans around this season with the 100th Fenway anniversary. A few weeks ago I posted on another board that I would be a lot more interested in this year's team if the ownership came out and said something along the lines of "We have been saddled by a number of long term contracts that have been hamstringing us, so instead of throwing good money after bad and chasing free agents that won't have an immediate impact on this team, we are going to rebuild this team around around both proven veterans and our farm system."

Mazz is absolutely right (can't beleive I just posted that) in how I feel, I would absolutely watch an up and coming Red Sox team built around guys like Pedroia, Gonzalez, and Crawford, with guys like Ross and Cook, and rookles like Inglesias and Middlebrooks filling out the team. They may only win 75 or 80 games (if that) but it would be a hell of a lot more enjoyable to me than the team they currenly have winning 85-90.

 

[Phenom]

Yikes...Felger isn't coming off so well here.

I understand his opinion on Junior Seau, but to start off his monologue with the line, "I have no sympathy or compassion for suicide victims" is to travel down a slippery slope. Felger has to be careful to not overstep his bounds on this one.

 

[pedros hairstylist]

Pretty harsh and ignorant attitude. Obviously he has no experience with someone battling depression. This is his "Go live in FINLAND!" moment.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Head trauma is an "excuse" now, I see. Of course, they bring Boogard into it too which has nothing to do with the football argument. They bring this whole contrarian attitude way too far.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Maybe I'm weird because I kind of get what he's trying to say. Though I think Mazz put better with saying he was obviously screwed up in the head.

And I don't think they mean that head trauma is an excuse so much as that it wasn't the only contributing factor (in this case)

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Felger is just keeping it real, guys.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Doesn't TSH also employ Taylor Twellman who suffered head trauma in soccer and is now an advocate for athletes with head trauma? Felger is a douche as usual.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Yikes...Felger isn't coming off so well here.

I understand his opinion on Junior Seau, but to start off his monologue with the line, "I have no sympathy or compassion for suicide victims" is to travel down a slippery slope. Felger has to be careful to not overstep his bounds on this one.

Missed the segment, but that would explain why they haven't been discussing it as much as the other shows.

 

[Corsi]

Pretty harsh and ignorant attitude. Obviously he has no experience with someone battling depression. This is his "Go live in FINLAND!" moment.

Yeah, he's not quite getting the chicken and the egg thing. He's using Derek Boogaard's abuse of drugs as a point in his favor, as if his drug abuse wasn't related to his depression w/r/t being an NHL enforcer. I think both sides can be argued, but Felger is coming across as if just because the guy used drugs, the concussion thing is off the table.

Last night I talked about the Seau situation with my girlfriend, who's currently working on a neuropsychology PhD, and she's torn on the issue too. She says there are just too many factors at play to really know for sure if you can draw a straight line from the head trauma to his ultimate suicide. Perhaps Seau was always a bit unhinged and the trauma exacerbated the issue. Perhaps they're not related at all.

Felger is being pretty irresponsible to just cast the concussion issue aside because these guys may have used drugs, trained liked animals and ate chicken without skin (an actual example he used), etc.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Missed the segment, but that would explain why they haven't been discussing it as much as the other shows.

That and Felger said he didn't want "to throw dirt on his grave" when he just died.

 

[Phenom]

Maybe I'm weird because I kind of get what he's trying to say. Though I think Mazz put better with saying he was obviously screwed up in the head.

And I don't think they mean that head trauma is an excuse so much as that it wasn't the only contributing factor (in this case)

Felger's point is that more contributed to Seau's shortcomings than "just" concussions. Seau obviously abused steroids, and other illicit substances for years. Similarly to professional wrestlers who die young, Seau's reckless lifestyle was probably a significant contributing factor to his suicide yesterday.

It's a fair point, and Mazz attempted to expand the conversation by discussing the culture of the NFL and how that leads to a player like Seau abusing steroids, pain killers, playing hurt, etc.

But Felger went right back to yelling about how he has "no sympathy" for suicide victims, and how he is the only one who is telling the truth on this story. Pretty shallow indeed. Not everything has to be a "scorching hot sports take." Sometimes a rational, reasoned discussion will suffice.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

That and Felger said he didn't want "to throw dirt on his grave" when he just died.

Ha.

The classic 'no offense, but [insert patently offensive comment]'.

 

[fairlee76]

This is the first time I have ever heard Mazz as the voice of reason. Strange days, indeed.

 

[AimingForYoko]

Felger's point is that more contributed to Seau's shortcomings than "just" concussions. Seau obviously abused steroids, and other illicit substances for years. Similarly to professional wrestlers who die young, Seau's reckless lifestyle was probably a significant contributing factor to his suicide yesterday.

It's a fair point, and Mazz attempted to expand the conversation by discussing the culture of the NFL and how that leads to a player like Seau abusing steroids, pain killers, playing hurt, etc.

But Felger went right back to yelling about how he has "no sympathy" for suicide victims, and how he is the only one who is telling the truth on this story. Pretty shallow indeed. Not everything has to be a "scorching hot sports take." Sometimes a rational, reasoned discussion will suffice.

To drive this train onto off topic tracks, I think that some people just have a hard time feeling sympathy for suicide victims. As terrible as that is, a lot of it has to do with personal experiences, which is why I'm really touchy on the subject...

Back ot; I was wondering when someone would bring up Chris Benoit. I'm surprised it didn't come up earlier.

eta: Jesus, Mazz is making a whole lot of sense today...eerie.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Felger's point is that more contributed to Seau's shortcomings than "just" concussions. Seau obviously abused steroids, and other illicit substances for years. Similarly to professional wrestlers who die young, Seau's reckless lifestyle was probably a significant contributing factor to his suicide yesterday.

It's a fair point, and Mazz attempted to expand the conversation by discussing the culture of the NFL and how that leads to a player like Seau abusing steroids, pain killers, playing hurt, etc.

But Felger went right back to yelling about how he has "no sympathy" for suicide victims, and how he is the only one who is telling the truth on this story. Pretty shallow indeed. Not everything has to be a "scorching hot sports take." Sometimes a rational, reasoned discussion will suffice.

Is there solid evidence that Seau abused steroids through his career? I certainly haven't found any. What makes you think he "obviously" abuse steroids?

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Pretty harsh and ignorant attitude. Obviously he has no experience with someone battling depression. This is his "Go live in FINLAND!" moment.

Or he has had personal experience of what suicide does to the family and doesn't have sympathy for the person that commits suicide because of the mess they leave behind. I don't know what Felger's personal experiences are and unless you know him personally and have spoken to him about this topic neither do you, but on the Gresh and Zo show a texter or tweeter responded to people villifying Seau by saying "You try walking around feeling like you head is in the clouds for 7 years and see how you react" and it made me think. Aside from it being a sad story and one that stopped me in my tracks yesterday when I heard it, I can see both points of view on this.

I didn't hear the "no sympathy" comment, but I thought his point that people only wanted to focus on half the story made sense. It has only been speculated that he had head trauma but no one seems to want to touch the potential of steroid use.

I don't know what is going on in Felger's head or why he said what he did but I don't think his take is as ignorant and callous as he intially made it sound.

 

[Phenom]

Is there solid evidence that Seau abused steroids through his career? I certainly haven't found any. What makes you think he "obviously" abuse steroids?

I think most NFL linebackers in the modern era have abused steroids throughout their careers. The NFL lifestyle seems to dictate that. Seau played this incredibly physical game until he was 40-years old. It just seems probable.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

Is there solid evidence that Seau abused steroids through his career? I certainly haven't found any. What makes you think he "obviously" abuse steroids?

Because he played in the NFL? How many NFL players do you think do NOT use PEDs?