Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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Today is the first day of the Masters, and for the brief, painful few minutes, it was, "Country Club members are A-holes. Look what they did to Gary McCord (which was like, what, 18 years ago?). Tom Watson is an A-hole. Blah! Blah!"
 
Tony's response? "Mike, I can't disagree with you!"
 
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And this is coming from someone who has always been a big fan of the show. Now, if I listen/watch for more than 15-20 minutes a day, its a lot.
 

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Maybe I just wasn't tuned into it on the level of others in this thread until now, or maybe things have changed in the last few months to the point where its really noticeable, but the level of cynicism about every topic of discussion has just gotten so off-putting, I just can't listen to it anymore. They HATE sports now. Who needs it?
Yep, so bad I started listening to the whiner line today, which sucked.
 

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Beetle and Felger were cringe-worthy with the Drew/Iglesias stuff today, had to turn it off.
 
Something with the show's tone has definitely changed and it's to the point of being unlistenable... this coming from a big Felger fan. I think it all started when they decided to use 50% celebrity callers. F all those guys.
 
I've been getting my sports talk fix from Merloni and Mut lately, to be honest.
 

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In my opinion Felger has always been this way. The problem is over-exposure. Deadly for just about everyone. Particularly for one-trick ponies.
 

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Tomorrow's Red Sox conversation:
 
Felger: "So let's review Jose Iglesias and Stephen Drew last night, shall we Beetle?
 
Beetle: "Oh, I can't wait Mike!"
 
Felger: "Iglesias hits a ... what does that say Beetle?  Right there?"
 
Beetle: "I believe that says home run, Mike."
 
Felger: "YES!  A home run!  Out of the ballpark!  After hitting above .400 here.  And Stephen Drew last night, how'd you like that strikeout with the bases loaded?  Woo wee!  Just watched strike three sail right past him!"
 
Beetle: "But at least he worked the count, Mike ... hehehe"
 
Felger: "RIGHT!  Worked the count, please!  I thought the best shortstop in baseball, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS, would do more than just work the count!"
 
Mazz: "Look, Mike, like I've said, I never would've signed Drew this offseason!  But he's here now!  So...look...again, you're absolutely right, Mike!  They never should've signed him.  This should've been Iglesias' job!"
 
Felger: "But Mazz, I thought Drew had elite power..."
 
Mazz: "Well Mike, when healthy, he has above average power for a shortstop..."
 
Felger: "HAS HE EVER HIT 30 HOME RUNS?"
 
Mazz: "No, Mike, look, you're right.  I'm agreeing with you..."
 
Felger: "If he hasn't hit 30 home runs, then he doesn't have elite power!  Stop trying to sell me a bag of goods!  He's not the best shortstop in baseball, which again, is what they've clearly said he is!"  
 
Mazz: "Mike!  Look, Iglesias has never hit anywhere before, but the point is, they shouldn't have signed Drew...!"
 
Felger: "Okay, right!  They shouldn't have signed Drew.  We agree!  So stop accepting it, and let's question why they signed him, and are telling us he's the best shortstop in baseball!  He's not elite at anything!!  Those frauds.  Next they'll tell us to buy a brick.  They can never give it to you straight up.  Ridiculous, trying to tell me Stephen Drew is one of the best players in baseball.  A premium player, please.  Mike in Attleboro, what do you think?"  
 

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Dalton Jones said:
In my opinion Felger has always been this way. The problem is over-exposure. Deadly for just about everyone. Particularly for one-trick ponies.
 
It's like they can't even take the object lesson of the Demise of Glen Ordway into account at all.
 

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Tomorrow's Red Sox conversation:
 
Felger: "So let's review Jose Iglesias and Stephen Drew last night, shall we Beetle?
 
Beetle: "Oh, I can't wait Mike!"
 
Felger: "Iglesias hits a ... what does that say Beetle?  Right there?"
 
Beetle: "I believe that says home run, Mike."
 
Felger: "YES!  A home run!  Out of the ballpark!  After hitting above .400 here.  And Stephen Drew last night, how'd you like that strikeout with the bases loaded?  Woo wee!  Just watched strike three sail right past him!"
 
Beetle: "But at least he worked the count, Mike ... hehehe"
 
Felger: "RIGHT!  Worked the count, please!  I thought the best shortstop in baseball, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS, would do more than just work the count!"
 
Mazz: "Look, Mike, like I've said, I never would've signed Drew this offseason!  But he's here now!  So...look...again, you're absolutely right, Mike!  They never should've signed him.  This should've been Iglesias' job!"
 
Felger: "But Mazz, I thought Drew had elite power..."
 
Mazz: "Well Mike, when healthy, he has above average power for a shortstop..."
 
Felger: "HAS HE EVER HIT 30 HOME RUNS?"
 
Mazz: "No, Mike, look, you're right.  I'm agreeing with you..."
 
Felger: "If he hasn't hit 30 home runs, then he doesn't have elite power!  Stop trying to sell me a bag of goods!  He's not the best shortstop in baseball, which again, is what they've clearly said he is!"  
 
Mazz: "Mike!  Look, Iglesias has never hit anywhere before, but the point is, they shouldn't have signed Drew...!"
 
Felger: "Okay, right!  They shouldn't have signed Drew.  We agree!  So stop accepting it, and let's question why they signed him, and are telling us he's the best shortstop in baseball!  He's not elite at anything!!  Those frauds.  Next they'll tell us to buy a brick.  They can never give it to you straight up.  Ridiculous, trying to tell me Stephen Drew is one of the best players in baseball.  A premium player, please.  Mike in Attleboro, what do you think?"  
 
Perfect.
 
Edit:  I am another person who really likes (or liked) Felger but I'm close to reaching the end on this show too.  I don't mind people taking a contrarian view and particularly with the Pats sometimes it is necessary, but they have become broken records.  I had been convinced this was mostly on Mazz because he's just beyond awful and not capable of challenging Felger on his BS.  But Beetle has been dragged down into the mire now too.  Maybe Felger's personality is just too strong and this is where the show was destined to end up from the start. 
 

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Listening to him blame Chiarelli for not "closing the deal" on Soderberg was probably the last straw for me. What an insufferable troll. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument Felger. 
 
Salk and Holley have been pretty decent in the snippets I have heard but I can't deal with the whiner line or anything that involves Planet Mikey which is what I ultimately get when I am in the car. Looks like I'll be listening to more music. 
 

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Tomorrow's Red Sox conversation:<br /> <br />Felger: "So let's review Jose Iglesias and Stephen Drew last night, shall we Beetle?<br /> <br />Beetle: "Oh, I can't wait Mike!"<br /> <br />Felger: "Iglesias hits a ... what does that say Beetle?  Right there?"<br /> <br />Beetle: "I believe that says home run, Mike."<br /> <br />Felger: "YES!  A home run!  Out of the ballpark!  After hitting above .400 here.  And Stephen Drew last night, how'd you like that strikeout with the bases loaded?  Woo wee!  Just watched strike three sail right past him!"<br /> <br />Beetle: "But at least he worked the count, Mike ... hehehe"<br /> <br />Felger: "RIGHT!  Worked the count, please!  I thought the best shortstop in baseball, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS, would do more than just work the count!"<br /> <br />Mazz: "Look, Mike, like I've said, I never would've signed Drew this offseason!  But he's here now!  So...look...again, you're absolutely right, Mike!  They never should've signed him.  This should've been Iglesias' job!"<br /> <br />Felger: "But Mazz, I thought Drew had elite power..."<br /> <br />Mazz: "Well Mike, when healthy, he has above average power for a shortstop..."<br /> <br />Felger: "HAS HE EVER HIT 30 HOME RUNS?"<br /> <br />Mazz: "No, Mike, look, you're right.  I'm agreeing with you..."<br /> <br />Felger: "If he hasn't hit 30 home runs, then he doesn't have elite power!  Stop trying to sell me a bag of goods!  He's not the best shortstop in baseball, which again, is what they've clearly said he is!"  <br /> <br />Mazz: "Mike!  Look, Iglesias has never hit anywhere before, but the point is, they shouldn't have signed Drew...!"<br /> <br />Felger: "Okay, right!  They shouldn't have signed Drew.  We agree!  So stop accepting it, and let's question why they signed him, and are telling us he's the best shortstop in baseball!  He's not elite at anything!!  Those frauds.  Next they'll tell us to buy a brick.  They can never give it to you straight up.  Ridiculous, trying to tell me Stephen Drew is one of the best players in baseball.  A premium player, please.  Mike in Attleboro, what do you think?"  <br /> <br />Perfect.<br /> <br />Edit:  I am another person who really likes (or liked) Felger but I'm close to reaching the end on this show too.  I don't mind people taking a contrarian view and particularly with the Pats sometimes it is necessary, but they have become broken records.  I had been convinced this was mostly on Mazz because he's just beyond awful and not capable of challenging Felger on his BS.  But Beetle has been dragged down into the mire now too.  Maybe Felger's personality is just too strong and this is where the show was destined to end up from the start. <br />
<br /><br />Beetle has started to do it on his weekend show as well. It got to the point where even Gasper said, "the other show you do during the week might take stances like that, but lets not do it here."<br /><br />Beetles response? A chuckle. Glad he didn't get DA's slot now.
 

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Listening to him blame Chiarelli for not "closing the deal" on Soderberg was probably the last straw for me. What an insufferable troll. Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument Felger. 
 
I wish I was surprised by this but after the whole Iginla thing it's just typical of what this show has devolved into over the past few months.
 

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I just wonder if management has realized how bad the show has become. Because that's how EEI failed.
 
I find myself turning the show off within 10 minutes of tuning in.
 

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Back and forth between Beetle and I last night/this morning:
 

 
What's up with this?  Is Beetle just feeling his oats now that he's been given a more prominent seat on the show following the DA departure?  He used to be the beacon of truth and rationality on the show and now he's joined the other two stooges.  Am I alone in feeling this way?
 

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Man I guess I got my head in the sand because it seems like the same show to me.  It will never be great until they get someone to cheerlead/pom pom wave next to Felgers negativity, but I think its been a remarkably consistant product.  It is what it is, you know exactly what type of show your getting and they produce that show on an amazingly consistant basis.
 
I also think that, in general, EEI has stepped its game up.  The hosts are much more sharp and they seem to at least TRY and have an opinion over there which is very refreshing.
 
I think that this is the best time of boston sports radio in the history of the medium.
 

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Rocco Graziosa said:
Man I guess I got my head in the sand because it seems like the same show to me.  It will never be great until they get someone to cheerlead/pom pom wave next to Felgers negativity, but I think its been a remarkably consistant product.  It is what it is, you know exactly what type of show your getting and they produce that show on an amazingly consistant basis.
 
I also think that, in general, EEI has stepped its game up.  The hosts are much more sharp and they seem to at least TRY and have an opinion over there which is very refreshing.
 
I think that this is the best time of boston sports radio in the history of the medium.
 
And what people are saying is that that style of show is already wearing stale and thin.
 

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Oh and Mike Felger has gotten me interested in hockey to the point where I follow it and even watch some regular season games.  I never would have thought that possible just five years ago.
 

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Oh and Mike Felger has gotten me interested in hockey to the point where I follow it and even watch some regular season games.  I never would have thought that possible just five years ago.
 
Despite his obvious ignorance on many aspects of the topic? The Soderberg and Iginla deals exposed Felger's MO pretty clearly I thought. He knew nothing about the workings of either deal.
 

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Despite his obvious ignorance on many aspects of the topic? The Soderberg and Iginla deals exposed Felger's MO pretty clearly I thought. He knew nothing about the workings of either deal.
 
Right, I mean Felger actually ripped Chia for not tampering with Iginla in order to get him.
 

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Then again, weren't you certain that EEI could never be toppled?
 
I think if you give this market a choice, they'll listen to the better show. Salk & Holley right now are better than Felger and Mazz.
 

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Oh and Mike Felger has gotten me interested in hockey to the point where I follow it and even watch some regular season games.  I never would have thought that possible just five years ago.
Listen to Salk instead of Felger. After listening to him for a couple of weeks, he seems to know a ton more than Felger about hockey, and is level headed and fair with his discussions. 
 
2 days ago(I think?) i was watching Felger and Mazz on Comcast. For the 10 minutes leading up to the Cam Neely interview, Felger and Mazz just ripped Cam and the Bruins. Then when he got on with them, Cam would answer a question and then Felger would respond with a snide or sarcastic response every single time. You could hear in Cam's voice that he hates this required call. And the disrespect that Felger and Mazz was showing him really surprised me. Felger treats his celebrity callers far better than Cam Neely??? WTF? I would be surprised if you don't see a sharp decline in ratings soon with the show.
 

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I look at it this way: I have been a huge fan of the show for a long time, to the point where I would come into this thread and mock the people hating on it. But since around mid-January, based on my own posting in here, my attitude about the show has changed and I've become much less tolerant of the "tonality."

I don't think I've changed. I think they have.
 

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Listen to Salk instead of Felger. After listening to him for a couple of weeks, he seems to know a ton more than Felger about hockey, and is level headed and fair with his discussions. 
 
2 days ago(I think?) i was watching Felger and Mazz on Comcast. For the 10 minutes leading up to the Cam Neely interview, Felger and Mazz just ripped Cam and the Bruins. Then when he got on with them, Cam would answer a question and then Felger would respond with a snide or sarcastic response every single time. You could hear in Cam's voice that he hates this required call. And the disrespect that Felger and Mazz was showing him really surprised me. Felger treats his celebrity callers far better than Cam Neely??? WTF? I would be surprised if you don't see a sharp decline in ratings soon with the show.
 
 
I don't listen to talk radio for "level headed and fair".  I want to be entertained by a strong opinion.  I want humor.  I want irrationality at times.  Mad Dog Russo, to me, is the best in the business at providing all of those.  Felger comes damn close.
 
Salk is too vanilla.  He's absolutely "level headed and fair".  I don't think many people tune onto the radio for that............they get enough of that in real life.
 

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Rocco Graziosa said:
I don't listen to talk radio for "level headed and fair".  I want to be entertained by a strong opinion.  I want humor.  I want irrationality at times.  Mad Dog Russo, to me, is the best in the business at providing all of those.  Felger comes damn close.
 
Salk is too vanilla.  He's absolutely "level headed and fair".  I don't think many people tune onto the radio for that............they get enough of that in real life.
 
Mad Dog, from the times I've heard him, doesn't have his facts completely wrong all the time. Felger does. Like this Soderberg thing. Or the Iginla one. He's 1000000% incorrect about those deals. Like Up is Down wrong. So his "edgy" strong opinions are pure horseshit because he's wrong. WRONG. You cannot tamper with another team's player, so screaming that "they should just have gotten Iginla in a room and gotten the deal done" is stupid and wrong.
 
There's strong opinions and then there's complete bullshit.
 

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Tomorrow's Red Sox conversation:
 
Felger: "So let's review Jose Iglesias and Stephen Drew last night, shall we Beetle?
 
Beetle: "Oh, I can't wait Mike!"
 
Felger: "Iglesias hits a ... what does that say Beetle?  Right there?"
 
Beetle: "I believe that says home run, Mike."
 
Felger: "YES!  A home run!  Out of the ballpark!  After hitting above .400 here.  And Stephen Drew last night, how'd you like that strikeout with the bases loaded?  Woo wee!  Just watched strike three sail right past him!"
 
Beetle: "But at least he worked the count, Mike ... hehehe"
 
Felger: "RIGHT!  Worked the count, please!  I thought the best shortstop in baseball, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS, would do more than just work the count!"
 
Mazz: "Look, Mike, like I've said, I never would've signed Drew this offseason!  But he's here now!  So...look...again, you're absolutely right, Mike!  They never should've signed him.  This should've been Iglesias' job!"
 
Felger: "But Mazz, I thought Drew had elite power..."
 
Mazz: "Well Mike, when healthy, he has above average power for a shortstop..."
 
Felger: "HAS HE EVER HIT 30 HOME RUNS?"
 
Mazz: "No, Mike, look, you're right.  I'm agreeing with you..."
 
Felger: "If he hasn't hit 30 home runs, then he doesn't have elite power!  Stop trying to sell me a bag of goods!  He's not the best shortstop in baseball, which again, is what they've clearly said he is!"  
 
Mazz: "Mike!  Look, Iglesias has never hit anywhere before, but the point is, they shouldn't have signed Drew...!"
 
Felger: "Okay, right!  They shouldn't have signed Drew.  We agree!  So stop accepting it, and let's question why they signed him, and are telling us he's the best shortstop in baseball!  He's not elite at anything!!  Those frauds.  Next they'll tell us to buy a brick.  They can never give it to you straight up.  Ridiculous, trying to tell me Stephen Drew is one of the best players in baseball.  A premium player, please.  Mike in Attleboro, what do you think?"  
What's wrong with this?  I mean except everything that Mazz says.  Felger is not the problem.  Felger is at his best when he is "Indignant Felger" and this is right up his alley.  Now the whole Reiss/Welker thing pissed me off more than the Iginla thing...but so what?  It's listenable radio.  
 

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Mad Dog, from the times I've heard him, doesn't have his facts completely wrong all the time. Felger does. Like this Soderberg thing. Or the Iginla one. He's 1000000% incorrect about those deals. Like Up is Down wrong. So his "edgy" strong opinions are pure horseshit because he's wrong. WRONG. You cannot tamper with another team's player, so screaming that "they should just have gotten Iginla in a room and gotten the deal done" is stupid and wrong.
 
There's strong opinions and then there's complete bullshit.
A thousand times this. I realize his job is to tweak people and have opinions that will get ratings. But when the shit you spout is completely devoid of facts or even worse goes completely against the facts just to troll then it's bad radio. 
 

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I'm glad to see others think that it's the show that has changed and it isn't just me.
 
To me Felger has always been a blowhard but I used to enjoy it. I think when he would take the contrarian view it was done with a wink and he would also come up with valid arguments. I would disagree with him most of the time but I would find myself saying "I could see that". Now it seems he's turned into an all out don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument troll. The Soderberg and Iginla takes are the biggest example of that. He has no factual leg to stand on but keeps hammering away at Chiarelli. 
 
Mazz doesn't help much either. I think he's a generally good and funny guy but his act on this show is unbearable. Just listening to him on the Baseball Reporters is night and day. 
 
Beetle has also gotten annoying too. He used to be a rich mans Pete Shepherd (I mean that as a compliment). He would defend the home teams and go toe to toe with Felger. Now he just finds the negativity and trolls away.
 
I'll go back every now and then but lately I've been checking in on Salk and Holley or catching up on music and podcasts. It's just such a shame what it has become
 

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Rocco Graziosa said:
I don't listen to talk radio for "level headed and fair".  I want to be entertained by a strong opinion.  I want humor.  I want irrationality at times.  Mad Dog Russo, to me, is the best in the business at providing all of those.  Felger comes damn close.
 
Salk is too vanilla.  He's absolutely "level headed and fair".  I don't think many people tune onto the radio for that............they get enough of that in real life.
Have you listened to Salk? He ripped the Bruins for playing Iginila with the 4th line last week. He's not fair and level headed like Ordway was where he chose the middle of every argument. Salk will take a side, like yesterday when he said part of the issue in the 9th inning of the previous nights game was Salty's crappy glove work.
 
When I said "fair and level-headed", I meant that Salk has opinions and then he backs them up with facts, instead of Felger who just rips every organization, whether right or wrong, and has nothing to back it up, or is usually flat out wrong. 
 
But hey, you keep listening to Felger's strong opinion and humor on topics like the Bruin's should be tampering with players. Sounds like a ton of laughs. 
 
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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Mad Dog, from the times I've heard him, doesn't have his facts completely wrong all the time. Felger does. Like this Soderberg thing. Or the Iginla one. He's 1000000% incorrect about those deals. Like Up is Down wrong. So his "edgy" strong opinions are pure horseshit because he's wrong. WRONG. You cannot tamper with another team's player, so screaming that "they should just have gotten Iginla in a room and gotten the deal done" is stupid and wrong.
 
There's strong opinions and then there's complete bullshit.
 
 
If you thought it was "bullshit" and he's "wrong" all the time, why would you listen?  I felt that way the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh.  I listened for an hour one time nine years ago and have never EVER listened to him again.  Anytime I hear or see him, I change the channel.  Immediately. 
 
I listened to that same rant and enjoyed it.  Kind of chuckled when Felger talked about tampering.  Wondered if it actually does go on.  My drive ended, I got out of my car and never thought about it again. 
 

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Maybe I just wasn't tuned into it on the level of others in this thread until now, or maybe things have changed in the last few months to the point where its really noticeable, but the level of cynicism about every topic of discussion has just gotten so off-putting, I just can't listen to it anymore. They HATE sports now. Who needs it?
 
 
I wanted to bump this because it's just so spot on. Cynicism is a dead end, emotionally. The level of snide remarks and snark makes for awful listening. Who wants to listen to sarcasm all day, as if the joke is obvious and doesn't need to be made? It's the ground of the intellectually lazy to take that path.
 

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If you thought it was "bullshit" and he's "wrong" all the time, why would you listen?  I felt that way the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh.  I listened for an hour one time nine years ago and have never EVER listened to him again.  Anytime I hear or see him, I change the channel.  Immediately. 
 
I listened to that same rant and enjoyed it.  Kind of chuckled when Felger talked about tampering.  Wondered if it actually does go on.  My drive ended, I got out of my car and never thought about it again. 
 
 
I didn't. I turned it off because I've got better things to do than to listen to complete horseshit on a topic of which Felger is wholly ignorant.
 
I'm sorry you enjoyed it, because it was based on idiocy and ignorance. If that's the type of radio you enjoy, well fuck dude, we're from two different worlds then and will never be able to communicate effectively. I can't imagine enjoying that, but hey that's just me. I appreciate edgy takes, but it helps when the host doesn't have his blow-dried head completely wedged into his ass.
 

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What's wrong with this?  I mean except everything that Mazz says.  Felger is not the problem.  Felger is at his best when he is "Indignant Felger" and this is right up his alley.  Now the whole Reiss/Welker thing pissed me off more than the Iginla thing...but so what?  It's listenable radio.  
It's predictable.
 

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I have always thought of Felger as somewhat of a contrarian, but for the most part I thought he backed up his arguments fairly well, even when I disagreed with him.  And he wasn't always negative all of the time.  For the most part I thought he was knowledgeable and entertaining even when I disagreed with him, which is why I enjoyed the show so much even though Mazz is useless.
 
I do think he (and the show) have changed.  Now he seems to grasp onto narratives that are just flat out false or unsupported by any facts whatsoever, and he's negative on all four Boston teams pretty close to 100% of the time. Even when he's positive on something (like Iglesias) it has to be coupled with a negative talking point (Stephen Drew is a bum!) for him to spend more than five minutes talking about it.  All of this is right up Mazz's alley because it appeals to his laziness, these narratives write themselves and don't require any research or preparation, shit, you don't even have to watch the games.

Not sure what is going on with Beetle, though.  I can't remember the last time he called Felger on anything.
 

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It's predictable.
Ok.  But again, so what?  I don't see predictability as being inherently bad.  I enjoy Indignant Felger.  It entertains me.  Stubborn Felger (no way, Mike Reiss!  The Krafts DIDN"T WANT HIM!1!1!) hasn't bothered me enough yet to want to change the channel. 
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I didn't. I turned it off because I've got better things to do than to listen to complete horseshit on a topic of which Felger is wholly ignorant.
 
I'm sorry you enjoyed it, because it was based on idiocy and ignorance. If that's the type of radio you enjoy, well fuck dude, we're from two different worlds then and will never be able to communicate effectively. I can't imagine enjoying that, but hey that's just me. I appreciate edgy takes, but it helps when the host doesn't have his blow-dried head completely wedged into his ass.
 
 
Well obviously I don't think its based on "idiocy and ignorance".  But thanks a ton for thinly vieled insult.
 

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Guapos Toenails said:
Ok.  But again, so what?  I don't see predictability as being inherently bad.  I enjoy Indignant Felger.  It entertains me.  Stubborn Felger (no way, Mike Reiss!  The Krafts DIDN"T WANT HIM!1!1!) hasn't bothered me enough yet to want to change the channel. 
 
Aren't you splitting hairs here on the Iginla/Soderberg takes? Felger is going the exact same stubborn bullshit with Soderberg and Iginla. There is NOTHING more Chiarelli could have done within the rules, and yet there is Felger saying well go ahead and break the rules and tamper (thereby risking your franchise more) and that failing to do that is being a bad GM that's being outmaneuvered. 
 
It's stubborn bullshit of the highest order, and the exact same thing he was doing with Welker and Reis. It's getting old and tiresome, and it's in these circumstances where contrarian Felger can hurt you. Sure, the Red Sox stuff the last few years was solid because he held their feet to the fire. They deserved it. But he is taking the contrarian schtick beyond that now and people are turning on him. 
 

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What's wrong with this?  I mean except everything that Mazz says.  Felger is not the problem.  Felger is at his best when he is "Indignant Felger" and this is right up his alley.  Now the whole Reiss/Welker thing pissed me off more than the Iginla thing...but so what?  It's listenable radio.  
 
What's wrong with that is Mazz is supposed to be half of the show.  He's intellectually absent, so the entire program consists of Felger railing against a straw man.   
 
The idea of the show, theoretically, is you're pairing the histrionic, emotional Felger with the wiser, more level-headed member of the BBWAA.  Felger brings the emotion, and Mazz brings the perspective.  When the show first started out, that's the way it was.  But over time, Mazz decided it was easier to ride Felger's coattails and spend time conjuring up imitations of the callers instead of actual sports opinions.  
 
For a while, that worked too.  WEEI was giving us a tired format in the afternoons until 2011, when they then decided to give us the most awkward pairing in radio this side of Minihane joining D&C.  The memories of Ordway, Smerlas and DeOssie ignoring the Bruins and ball washing the Patriots were still fresh in our minds, and Felger was a breath of fresh air.  He loves hockey, loves the Bruins and isn't afraid to ask "why?"  
 
The Red Sox were a disgrace for 18 months, and Felger wisely created the perception that "The Sports Hub" was the only place to go to hear what's really going on with the Red Sox, because the beat writers and rights holders (WEEI) are in the bag for the team.  After all, he was the only one who called out Josh Beckett, just like he was the only one who called out Randy Moss.  
 
But now, as others have mentioned, WEEI has gotten better.  They talk hockey there too, and though it's not always great hockey talk, neither is anything you'll hear on "The Sports Hub."  Salk and Holley, though the show isn't perfect, can talk intelligently about all of the three major sports going on right now.  (The jury is still out on football.  Holley may have some conflict of interests there, and I don't know how strong Salk is on the NFL.)  Merloni, in my opinion, has been the best listen on the Red Sox thus far this season.  He nailed it on Jackie Bradley, and also understands 20 at-bats for Jose Iglesias isn't a reason to appoint him the shortstop of the future.
 
On the Red Sox, the conversation has evolved beyond ownership bashing.  We actually want to hear about the games.  Felger never covered baseball, so he takes the "football mentality" to it, treating one week in April like a large sample size.  This is where Mazz, the distinguished baseball reporter, should step in.  But he doesn't.  He kind of builds an argument against Iglesias, but realizes it would require some research to back it up, so he quiets down.  
 
The show is four hours of Felger arguing against a straw man, with some sound effects and celebrity callers thrown in.  There needs to be a straight man now.  I thought Beetle was going to be it, but he's only in his 20s.  It needs to be somebody else with a reputation.  Felger and Mazz is the most visible sports show in this market right now, it's a great gig.  Nobody with an interest in broadcasting or radio wouldn't be interested in it.  
 
So long story short, to me, the overarching problem is Mazz.  One half of the show has been out to lunch for a couple of years, and now that the narrative has changed/WEEI has gotten better, it greatly hinders the show.  
 

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I completely forgot about the Welker/Reiss thing and it brings up another issue lately. Felger used to be able to admit he was wrong when faced with evidence. His take on Marchand being the most prominent I can remember. He turned it into a joke at his expense and it was a breath of fresh air. When you have those "hot sports takes" at least be able to admit when you're totally wrong.
 
Lately he just continues to bang home his points with zero reasoning. 
 
-The Iginla trade where Chiarelli went so far as to hold a press conference to explain what happened. Felger continues to blame Chiarelli
 
-The Welker signing where Reiss felt the need to call in to defend himself and his article. Once he was off air Felger continued his rant.
 
-The Soderberg problem where there have been articles released saying the Bruins did everything by the book and Sweden is just being petulant. Felger continues to say Chiarelli needed to do more and it's his fault.
 
It is getting tired as are the celebrity callers. If they never let Mike in Attleboro on again it would improve the show greatly. Who thought it was a good idea to give him a column on csnne?
 

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TheRealness said:
Aren't you splitting hairs here on the Iginla/Soderberg takes? Felger is going the exact same stubborn bullshit with Soderberg and Iginla. There is NOTHING more Chiarelli could have done within the rules, and yet there is Felger saying well go ahead and break the rules and tamper (thereby risking your franchise more) and that failing to do that is being a bad GM that's being outmaneuvered. 
 
It's stubborn bullshit of the highest order, and the exact same thing he was doing with Welker and Reis. It's getting old and tiresome, and it's in these circumstances where contrarian Felger can hurt you. Sure, the Red Sox stuff the last few years was solid because he held their feet to the fire. They deserved it. But he is taking the contrarian schtick beyond that now and people are turning on him. 
Perhaps I am.  I haven't heard the Soderberg take yet, but i'm sure that it's just as douchy as the Iginla take.  To me, the Reiss/Welker thing bothers me more because Felger refused to admit to REISS' FACE that the scenario that Reiss reported was even a possibility.  That is ultimate douchbaggery and it's a strike against Felger in my eyes.  The Iginla thing (and i'm assuming the Soderberg thing) was more him trying to tweak the listeners.  So yeah, I probably am splitting hairs.  But in the long run I doesn't ruin my day and I still find it entertaining.
 

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What's wrong with that is Mazz is supposed to be half of the show.  He's intellectually absent, so the entire program consists of Felger railing against a straw man.   
 
The idea of the show, theoretically, is you're pairing the histrionic, emotional Felger with the wiser, more level-headed member of the BBWAA.  Felger brings the emotion, and Mazz brings the perspective.  When the show first started out, that's the way it was.  But over time, Mazz decided it was easier to ride Felger's coattails and spend time conjuring up imitations of the callers instead of actual sports opinions.  
 
For a while, that worked too.  WEEI was giving us a tired format in the afternoons until 2011, when they then decided to give us the most awkward pairing in radio this side of Minihane joining D&C.  The memories of Ordway, Smerlas and DeOssie ignoring the Bruins and ball washing the Patriots were still fresh in our minds, and Felger was a breath of fresh air.  He loves hockey, loves the Bruins and isn't afraid to ask "why?"  
 
The Red Sox were a disgrace for 18 months, and Felger wisely created the perception that "The Sports Hub" was the only place to go to hear what's really going on with the Red Sox, because the beat writers and rights holders (WEEI) are in the bag for the team.  After all, he was the only one who called out Josh Beckett, just like he was the only one who called out Randy Moss.  
 
But now, as others have mentioned, WEEI has gotten better.  They talk hockey there too, and though it's not always great hockey talk, neither is anything you'll hear on "The Sports Hub."  Salk and Holley, though the show isn't perfect, can talk intelligently about all of the three major sports going on right now.  (The jury is still out on football.  Holley may have some conflict of interests there, and I don't know how strong Salk is on the NFL.)  Merloni, in my opinion, has been the best listen on the Red Sox thus far this season.  He nailed it on Jackie Bradley, and also understands 20 at-bats for Jose Iglesias isn't a reason to appoint him the shortstop of the future.
 
On the Red Sox, the conversation has evolved beyond ownership bashing.  We actually want to hear about the games.  Felger never covered baseball, so he takes the "football mentality" to it, treating one week in April like a large sample size.  This is where Mazz, the distinguished baseball reporter, should step in.  But he doesn't.  He kind of builds an argument against Iglesias, but realizes it would require some research to back it up, so he quiets down.  
 
The show is four hours of Felger arguing against a straw man, with some sound effects and celebrity callers thrown in.  There needs to be a straight man now.  I thought Beetle was going to be it, but he's only in his 20s.  It needs to be somebody else with a reputation.  Felger and Mazz is the most visible sports show in this market right now, it's a great gig.  Nobody with an interest in broadcasting or radio wouldn't be interested in it.  
 
So long story short, to me, the overarching problem is Mazz.  One half of the show has been out to lunch for a couple of years, and now that the narrative has changed/WEEI has gotten better, it greatly hinders the show.  
I can't argue with anything in this post.  In fact, this is one of the clearest, most well written posts i've ever read here.
I have a HUGE bias against WEEI because of the way The Big Show (Ordway) evolved.  Except for Sox games, that station is poison to me.  It's probably not rational, but the thought of listening to that station creeps me out.  So theres that.
You are spot on in saying F&M are going down the same path to destruction as The Big Show.
 

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I look at it this way: I have been a huge fan of the show for a long time, to the point where I would come into this thread and mock the people hating on it. But since around mid-January, based on my own posting in here, my attitude about the show has changed and I've become much less tolerant of the "tonality."

I don't think I've changed. I think they have.
This is where I'm at as well.  Maybe it's because there is a solid alternative with Salk and Holley but the only time I have felt the need to turn them off is when they find a dead horse to beat, Welker, Seau's suicide, Teixeira, etc...   There isn't one thing they are harping on constantly lately, it's just the show itself lately.
 

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Mad Dog, from the times I've heard him, doesn't have his facts completely wrong all the time. Felger does. Like this Soderberg thing. Or the Iginla one. He's 1000000% incorrect about those deals. Like Up is Down wrong. So his "edgy" strong opinions are pure horseshit because he's wrong. WRONG. You cannot tamper with another team's player, so screaming that "they should just have gotten Iginla in a room and gotten the deal done" is stupid and wrong.
 
There's strong opinions and then there's complete bullshit.
 
He's wrong about the Iginla thing. The Soderberg thing? The SIHF issue went public in the middle of his show yesterday and even RMPS can't parse exactly what's going on there. So...this is a bit premature. 
 
allstonite said:
-The Soderberg problem where there have been articles released saying the Bruins did everything by the book and Sweden is just being petulant. Felger continues to say Chiarelli needed to do more and it's his fault.
 
Please point me to the articles published prior to 2 PM yesterday that laid out the issues with SIHF. Look at the time stamp on your post. The way you've phrased this, and included it in a list of other "chronic" issues is a bit disingenuous, no?
 
I get the frustration with the show. What I don't get is the lack of activity in the Salk & Holley thread. Vote with your dial...and change the station.
 

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Please point me to the articles published prior to 2 PM yesterday that laid out the issues with SIHF. Look at the time stamp on your post. The way you've phrased this, and included it in a list of other "chronic" issues is a bit disingenuous, no?
 
I get the frustration with the show. What I don't get is the lack of activity in the Salk & Holley thread. Vote with your dial...and change the station.
 
This is fair. The article I saw that confirmed this was from today. But him automatically putting the blame on Chiarelli for not "sealing the deal just like Morrow and Iginla" with no evidence at all that he had screwed it up was just so tired.
 
And again, I'm not as angry as some. I was a big Felger defender for a long time. I still give them a shot most days. I just find myself listening less and less. More disappointed than anything 
 

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Salk and Holley are going to make up significant ground in the ratings, and I'm curious to see how the Sports Hub reacts. Felger and Mazz have become Dennis and Callahan to me, unlistenable tripe. 
 

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What this all boils down to is that for the most part, sports commentators have a very short life span (unless you're Bob Ryan, I suppose). From Bill Simmons to Michael Felger to even Glenn Ordway the journey between edgy, new up-and-comer to tired, cliched hack is relatively short. Yes, we like Salk and Holley now but in two years, they're going to be played out. Just like the Big Show, Dennis and Callahan, Felger and Massarotti and any other person who gives his opinions over and over again four to five hour per day, every day.
 
That being said, I agree that something seems to have changed on the Felger show; I think that success has spoiled them a bit, I think that they think they're the taste makers in this region and I think that they forgot the Ordway lesson. But you know what, until something changes Mazz is going to coast, Felger is going to say stupid things and they can just keep pointing to the ratings book and say that it works. Until it doesn't. Then it will be too late.
 
And like someone said (Phenom, I believe who wrote a tremendous post) it's really Mazz' fault when you think about it. He doesn't want to work and Felger's okay with that because he has four hours to deliver a sermon entitled, "The Sports World According to Michael Felger".
 
At this point in my radio listening life, I tune in to what I want I find interesting. If it's on EEI, I leave it on EEI. If it's on TSH, I leave it on TSH. I literally have zero brand loyalty any more. That's how much TSH has fallen, EEI has raised it's game in my eyes.