Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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Mazz is definitely the weak link in the duo. He has always been a piler-on, and a sleeping-dog-poker, just for its own sake. He's smarter than most people on sports radio, but seems to use his talents for evil more often than he uses them for good. He'd rather see the Jets win the Super Bowl just for the talk it would generate, and openly so. He seems to want the Sox and Pats to lose, Belichick fired, the Celtics to struggle, and the Bruins to win. In short, he seems to want whatever will prompt the largest number of passionate columns and callers. He is like an intelligent and articulate CHB, less interested in sports than in the periphery and human drama.

Neither seem exceptionally knowledgeable, but that's no sin in sports-talk radio, it seems. Felger, the out-of-towner, works better as raconteur and feisty critic. He is more forthrightly opinionated, and also a lot more honest and also open to correction and dissent than anyone else of similar passion. Either of them might do better paired with someone else, and the show itself could do with a bit more technical knowledge. That said, Felger is really the guy you (or at least I) want to hear comment on whatever the day's sports news is. Both because he is bound to have an opinion on it, and because he is bound to have a detailed explanation of his opinion, and because he will at least try to give the spin-free insider version of what's going on between the lines. Moreover, Felger and Mazz are the closest thing to actual journalism on sports talk radio, as evidenced by the interview today, and Felger in particular evidences an interest in getting the facts and cutting to the chase.

Toucher and Rich are by far the current stars of Boston sports talk, and are vastly more entertaining and charismatic than anyone in the game. But they don't really even pretend to be serious sports analysts, they are more what Dennis and Callahan claimed to be-- a talk show for guys who like sports. Their reporting is almost nonexistent, their interviews are goofy and chummy, and their sports talk is more entertaining than informative. Felger and Mazz are the closest things to actual journalists in the market, and they do a decent job at that. But their quality declines rapidly when there is nothing new or specific to talk about. They quickly devolve into pure ranting and contrarianism for its own sake.

On a side note, I am starting to wonder whether WEEI wasn't artificially pitch-shifting Mazz's voice for humorous effect. His high-pitched voice was always a theme for jokes and mockery on that station, and it really did sound unnaturally high. But on TSH, he sounds a lot more like a normal human being, albeit one with a higher-register voice. Maybe it was just a difference in microphone selection and the bandwidth-limiting effect of AM, but I wouldn't put it past the big show to pitch up his voice just for that stupid kind of big-show meathead humor they wallowed in.
 

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The show is so much better without Mazz. Pacman (I think that's him) is sitting in and actually arguing with Felger from time to time. So much more enjoyable.
I meant to make this same post yesterday when it was Pacman (not listening yet today). It's pretty scary when a show not only doesn't skip a beat but actually gets better when one of the co-hosts goes on vacation.
 
I meant to make this same post yesterday when it was Pacman (not listening yet today). It's pretty scary when a show not only doesn't skip a beat but actually gets better when one of the co-hosts goes on vacation.
I've come to realize that my annoyance with the show from time to time is solely because of Mazz. Today Felger is ripping the Celtics, ripping the "Green Team" fans and media, ripping Beckett, and being an overall contrarian like normal (and I agree with some of his points like always). But today you don't have to hear that parrot next to him saying, "You're right Mike, you're right!" I love Felger on Comcast and he's just as much of a prick then too...but he doesn't have Mazz to magnify it. I can take Felger the contrarian, I actually enjoy it. I just can't take the reinforcement of every smart ass negative comment. I'd rather listen to Felger do a solo show spewing shit and arguing with callers....just no Tony Mazz.
 

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I meant to make this same post yesterday when it was Pacman (not listening yet today). It's pretty scary when a show not only doesn't skip a beat but actually gets better when one of the co-hosts goes on vacation.

I actually don't mind Mazz but yeah. He's arguing with but not trying to shout over Felger. They've actually been having a fairly rational debate on the C's trades.
 

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I've come to realize that my annoyance with the show from time to time is solely because of Mazz. Today Felger is ripping the Celtics, ripping the "Green Team" fans and media, ripping Beckett, and being an overall contrarian like normal (and I agree with some of his points like always). But today you don't have to hear that parrot next to him saying, "You're right Mike, you're right!" I love Felger on Comcast and he's just as much of a prick then too...but he doesn't have Mazz to magnify it. I can take Felger the contrarian, I actually enjoy it. I just can't take the reinforcement of every smart ass negative comment. I'd rather listen to Felger do a solo show spewing shit and arguing with callers....just no Tony Mazz.
I keep asking, by text, for the "You're exactly right, Mike" drop to be played after every time Felger talks for more than one minute without pausing. Though, if they did that, there'd be no reason to let Tony back in the studio ever again.

Felger & Roche...a man can dream.

ETA: Adam Jones did a nice job the last couple days. When Mutt & Merloni start kicking GRESH!!!! and Zolak's ass (and it'll happen), TSH should give Jones & Bertrand the mid-day slot.
 

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I was at a bar today with my brother and had the same exact conversation. Roche when on T&R was great, Roche on Felger & "Yes Felger" was a big improvement. I enjoy PacMan as well, but do like Roche better. I think either are better than Mazz.

I do like Mazz though but wish he would just stand up to Felger. I'm not sure if he just has no opinion or is afraid to go toe to toe with Felger. Felger is great, but he does need to be roped in quite often.

edit as for GRESH! and Zo. I actually don't mind Zo during football season at this point. If they could pair him with someone better than Gresh or just keep Zo on for football season I'd be happy.
 

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As I've said before, the show is better when it's Felger and a couple of younger co-hosts. This is the way his 890 show used to run.

They should honestly either pair Felger with a strong co-host (though with Holley now entrenched at EEI, I'm not sure who's out there) or stick him with Pacman Jones, Bertrand, Roche, and a couple of others. There's really no need for Mazz to be there.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but Mazz needs to stop. On the Baseball Show on CSN he just said that today if he had to chose between Adrian Gonzalez or Teixeira he would rather have Teixeira because he is a switch hitter. Unreal. Adrian Gonzalez is 2 years younger, they have comprable OPS+ and Adrian Gonzalez will probably cost less from an AAV perspective
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but Mazz needs to stop. On the Baseball Show on CSN he just said that today if he had to chose between Adrian Gonzalez or Teixeira he would rather have Teixeira because he is a switch hitter. Unreal. Adrian Gonzalez is 2 years younger, they have comprable OPS+ and Adrian Gonzalez will probably cost less from an AAV perspective
I posted this in the Dale and Holley thread about the Big Show:

Holley's already brought me back to the Big Show. Felger and Mazz were fucking horrible last baseball season, literally unlistenable when it came to trying to talk about the Red Sox. Based on that alone Ordway and Holley will get first shot on my commute home over them.

I didn't see Mazz on CSN but if he is still beating this horse and the Big Show continues to improve I think F&M's ratings could drop drastically from March through September and that could cause Mazz to get shitcanned.
 

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As I've said before, the show is better when it's Felger and a couple of younger co-hosts. This is the way his 890 show used to run.

They should honestly either pair Felger with a strong co-host (though with Holley now entrenched at EEI, I'm not sure who's out there) or stick him with Pacman Jones, Bertrand, Roche, and a couple of others. There's really no need for Mazz to be there.
I used to love when Felger and Haggs would pair off. Good times and great hockey talk. Felger and Bradford were also a good pair. But I like Mazz too, I just think he needs to up the compete level.
 

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I didn't see Mazz on CSN but if he is still beating this horse and the Big Show continues to improve I think F&M's ratings could drop drastically from March through September and that could cause Mazz to get shitcanned.
Yup he was still signing the same exact tune, someone should really tell him no one cares, the fanbase has moved on [especially with Gonzo here] so this is pointless. With regards to this Tex thing, we are very close to Mazz's constant whining about it being comparable to the BigShows yelling and talking over one another in terms of annoyance and something that can ultimately bring down the show. TSH needs to get control of Mazz before he is counted on more for his analysis during baseball season, or you are absolutely correct the BigShow could make a comeback.
 

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The worst part about them agreeing on everything is the fact that all the promos and whatnot for the show, and a lot of the humor in the actual show is derived from "Oh these two really get each other's goat! What an odd couple!". I mean it's just a hacky radio ploy but it's amazing to think how they almost never argue about anything substantive.
 

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Look at this from Mazz' perspective:

I don't think that Mazz so much as agrees with everything Felger says insomuch that he doesn't know any different. It's obvious his taste for sports has waned over the last few years (he only watched a few INNINGS of the Sox last September) so I would have to assume that he's not watching a ton of Bruins and Celtics games and he's certainly not reading about them in any detail other than what the Globe reports. I think that leads to him agreeing with Felger because he lacks the ammunition to fight him.

When Felger says Kendrick Perkins was a stiff or Nate Robinson was overrated, what's Tony going to say? He's just going to agree with Felger, collect his checks and keep writing that athletes are lazy.

It's pretty obvious that Mazz doesn't care too much about sports any more (imagine him paired John Dennis? It'd be four hours of crickets chirping.)and Felger needs a foil. Holley would have been good, but that ship has sailed. I'm not sure who would else would be big enough to go toe-to-toe with Felger (not that he's a genius, Felger is just really good at sports radio and a newbie isn't), but Mazz sure as shit ain't it. Though it was a little funny to hear Mazz whine about the article Chad Finn wrote last Friday about how Felger is the brains behind the 2-6 TSH show. It sounded as if his pride was really hurt.
 

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BTW, I was just revisiting that old Boston Magazine article on EEI that was linked in the other thread and this bit on Mazz stood out:

"When I started here, Glenn said, 'This is going to add something to
your persona that didn't exist before,'" Massarotti says. "And he was
right." Massarotti became known for his confrontational, shut-you-up
attitude. And when edginess is prized above all else, that kind of
attitude gets you noticed. But the feistiness was not entirely genuine,
and it began to infect his newspaper writing. "I'm not a great
columnist," he says, meaning he thinks of himself more as a reporter.
"I don't get that worked up about stuff. When I force myself to say
stuff, it usually sounds bad." Then Massarotti says something even more
surprising. "There have been various points," he tells me, unprompted,
"when I freely admit I've been spreading it too thin. The quality of my
work at the paper suffers, to me. A friend says he doesn't notice it."


Ordway jumps in. "I don't think that's true," he assures him.


"I have to stop, take a deep breath, get back to my job," Massarotti
continues. "If we're not careful, our egos can get out of control. In
the last few months, I've made a concerted effort to ground myself."
This is when he was a rotating co-host on the most popular show, now he is one half of the most popular show that took down the previous most popular show. Can you imagine the size of that ego now?
 
Mazz reminds me of the dorky kid at school who just made friends with the new, popular, asshole-ish kid who just moved into town and smokes in between periods and doesn't play by the rules!!! Mazz doesn't realize he's just there for the ride so instead tries to be the negative, "fuck the establishment" type as well. But it doesn't work for him - putting a leather jacket on Richie Cunningham didn't make him The Fonz and mocking local accents and repeating "You're right Mike" doesn't make him Felger. One needs a certain charm to be a douchebag and be entertaining at the same time. Mazz just comes off as a douche bag. This week has made me really like Felger again and despise Tony.

But I think JMOH bigger point is correct too. I'm shocked at how little Mazz knows about the current state of sports.
 

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Yeah, but saying he doesn't pay attention or even watch them is a cop out, imo. That actually gives him an excuse for being so terrible. I prefer to believe that he has full conviction in all of his retarded opinions.
 

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During the 5:00 hour this afternoon, Felger and Mazz are announcing a "major" programming change to their show.
 

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In and of itself, who cares. But it shows that they're willing to make adjustments to the show/lineup, which is great news.
 

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This isn't any kind of adjustment. This is a new weekly guest, one out of season at that.
 

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1. Good first step. With Brian Low on Tuesdays, Wiggins on Weds and Gasper (hopefully) for a full show on Fridays, F&M is more than halfway to a 3-man booth. The obvious problem is the predominance of football voices, but an NBA expert on Monday and an NHL expert for Thursday are the only remaining pieces.

2. Wiggins will be fine "off-season" because he's a Boston homer and because the lockout will dominate the news throughout the summer, and even if settled, football doesn't have an off-season anymore.

3. The NBA expert is much more problematic than the NHL expert - it'll probably be KPD or Jack Edwards or Gaucher/Beers. Official station, etc. The NBA is a big problem for TSH because EEI still has a stranglehold on all the legit NBA voices in the market. That, and Felger hates the NBA.

4. TSH is sticking with Mazz. A rotating 3rd chair is the concession. Mazz will still host the 6-7 baseball show. He probably got a ton of $ and TSH could either ignore the problem OR add a 3rd chair and hope that changes the dynamic. They went with the latter and that's at least trying.

5. If "Felger & Mazz" featured a 3rd chair of:
Monday: Jermaine Wiggins/Mike Flynn (ex-player/emotional reaction)
Tuesday: Paul Perrilo/Brian Low/Andy Hart (sunshine.com/professional analysis)
Weds: NBA voice TBD
Thursday: Jack Edwards/KPD/Gaucher/Beers (Bruins/Official Station Day)
Friday: Chris Gasper/Other Globe Writer TBD (preview the weekend/recap the big story of the week)

Sure, all those people will be slightly out of place in a Red Sox discussion, but maybe they are not on for all 4 hours, just 4-6.

This could work, but it's all predicated on Mazz watching baseball games and arguing with Felger on that topic. Let the 3rd chair argue with Felger about all the other sports. The "you're exactly right, Mike" parrot would be less noticable if Felger & 3rd chair were debating (insert topic here).
 

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This isn't any kind of adjustment. This is a new weekly guest, one out of season at that.
How many weekly guests have they had before (for the entire show, not Gasper type cameos)? I'm pretty sure zero. That's basically the definition of an adjustment.
 

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How many weekly guests have they had before (for the entire show, not Gasper type cameos)? I'm pretty sure zero. That's basically the definition of an adjustment.
Perhaps I was a bit hyperbolic, but still, they made a big deal out of a minor thing.
 

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The hockey talk is deserved...the Bruins are on a real run right now, they deserve some love. If you're not paying attention to this team right now you're doing it wrong. They're playing some fantastic and entertaining hockey games.
 

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The hockey talk is deserved...the Bruins are on a real run right now, they deserve some love. If you're not paying attention to this team right now you're doing it wrong. They're playing some fantastic and entertaining hockey games.
And they are still the second best/most entertaining/most likely to win a championship winter sports team in town. By a long shot. Oh, and a bunch of us are not hockey fans. I literally change the channel when there is hockey talk and that seems to be most of the time for F&M these days.
 

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And they are still the second best/most entertaining/most likely to win a championship winter sports team in town. By a long shot. Oh, and a bunch of us are not hockey fans. I literally change the channel when there is hockey talk and that seems to be most of the time for F&M these days.
Awesome for you. Your opinion of hockey, or the Bruins chances, have no baring on the Bruins being the top sports story in Boston right now. They just went 6-0 on a road trip for the first time since 1972 and are shredding every team they face while doing it. If you want to debate the merits of hitting off a tee or discuss the proper way to slap a shooter in the junk while taking a three enjoy the AM band.
 

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It seems like both stations have over-loaded on one winter team over the other this week from 2-6 PM. F&M with heavy Bruins talk and O&H with heavy Celtics emphasis. It's funny how that matches up exactly with which games each station broadcasts. :rolleyes:
 

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And they are still the second best/most entertaining/most likely to win a championship winter sports team in town. By a long shot. Oh, and a bunch of us are not hockey fans. I literally change the channel when there is hockey talk and that seems to be most of the time for F&M these days.
I'm not a huge hockey fan, although I did go to the game last night, but I enjoy it. How much talk of the Pats roster or Beckett getting in in the head can one take from the end of football season to Opening Day? Both stations aren't going to say anything ground breaking or really entertaining on Red Sox Spring Training games. I'm enjoying listening to the hockey talk. I don't watch a ton of hockey or basketball, but its better than constant off-season talk. The B's are on a great run, are entertaining and playing good to great hockey. It's been a long time.
 

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The hockey talk by Felger and Mazz is a brilliant programming ploy. The Bruins' fans are so desperate for coverage, after being ignored for so long, that they'll eat up anything. It doesn't even have to "good" hockey talk (Felger is certainly passionate about the sport, but is definitely not all that knowledgeable). However, hockey fans will listen just because they're talking hockey.

The demographic can be hitched in without really being supplied with anything all that substantial. They just want to be noticed. Felger and Mazz are doing that, and I bet it will pay off big in the next ratings book.
 
It doesn't even have to "good" hockey talk (Felger is certainly passionate about the sport, but is definitely not all that knowledgeable). However, hockey fans will listen just because they're talking hockey.
I generally like the hockey talk but you're so right. The other day they were analyzing the seedings and had to discuss the other teams in the Eastern Conference. After about two minutes it was obvious Felger had practically no idea about the opposing rosters on any team outside of the Bruins. Shit, except for Stamkos and St. Louis (who he mentioned ten times) he couldn't even name a player on Tampa. And Mazz admitted never even heard of Peverley or Kelly before the trade deadline so that gives you an idea where he is coming from. The sad thing is hockey is supposedly their "niche" right now since they both hate the NBA and can't talk basketball for shit. At least Holley and Ordway know the NBA.
 

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And they are still the second best/most entertaining/most likely to win a championship winter sports team in town. By a long shot. Oh, and a bunch of us are not hockey fans. I literally change the channel when there is hockey talk and that seems to be most of the time for F&M these days.
Good thing you have EEI then because there are a bunch of us that aren't Celtics fans either.
 

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Good thing you have EEI then because there are a bunch of us that aren't Celtics fans either.
Yup. You aren't listening to Celtics' talk and we're not listening to Bruins' talk, because a bunch of us aren't Bruins' fans, either. It's all good.
 

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And they are still the second best/most entertaining/most likely to win a championship winter sports team in town. By a long shot. Oh, and a bunch of us are not hockey fans. I literally change the channel when there is hockey talk and that seems to be most of the time for F&M these days.
Not sure of whether this is true within Boston, but nationally, NHL fans are wealthier and more highly educated than are fans of the other three major sports leagues. That's of course important to advertisers, who are paying the station's bills.
 

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Not sure of whether this is true within Boston, but nationally, NHL fans are wealthier and more highly educated than are fans of the other three major sports leagues. That's of course important to advertisers, who are paying the station's bills.
I realized I've stirred the hornet's nest, but the problem isn't the passion or the demographics. It is the numbers. Nationally, there just aren't that many hockey fans when compared with football, baseball, and basketball. Even locally,I think there is a limit to the breadth of the Bruins appeal. For example I strongly suspect that if you asked TSH is they'd switch winter sports rights from the B's to the C's, they'd do it in a minute.
 

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This is a great exchange between Felger & Tony Maranaro from Team 990 in Montreal. Felger argueing that "Montreal is the biggest bunch of divers in the history in sports".
 

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[quote name='Salem's Lot' timestamp='1299612497' post='3389071']
This is a great exchange between Felger & Tony Maranaro from Team 990 in Montreal. Felger argueing that "Montreal is the biggest bunch of divers in the history in sports".
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Yeah, I love this interview. Great stuff.