This has to be the highest pitched show in the nation with those two voices. Note to self: bring iPod in car.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Thanks for the heads up. I will be listening to the Adam Jones espn boston radio replay at 2:00.
Unfortunately, I did not see the warning. I was tuned in, all ready to hear felger discuss the pats game, and its mazz and wiggy... Immediately flipped to EEI and its Holley and Deossie, which should be pretty decent while talking about the game. Why does 98.5 continue to use Wiggin's?
the only thing I can thnk of is if they fire him they are afraid of a race lawsuit from wiggy. I can't come up with anything else.
\\ Are you suggesting that Wiggy might be the kind of guy to play the race card in this scenario? I just can't see it. \\
I hate Wiggy Wednesday as much as anyone else, but...
When they actually sat down and talked football today (started around 4:15) they were actually pretty good to listen to. Chris Gasper was giving some knowledge, and w/o Felger on the show they allowed Wiggy to open up and actually discuss serious football talk. He started talking about alignment, blocking, blitzing, schemes...it was actually refreshing to hear. He was knocking it out of the park on a few of his breakdowns. Of course, he isn't great in front of the microphone, but when he was allowed to show his knowledge it was good to listen to.
I just don't get why former NFL players don't stick with their bread and butter. Zolack isn't funny. When he's on the sideline at games and he's giving good breakdowns, he's fantastic. When he talks about unicorns and show ponies, he's a moron. Ditto for Wiggy. Shut the fuck up about the Red Sox, and continue telling me about what you saw during the game. Hearing him talk about lining up in the 4-3 strong with the DE split outside the TE and the DT in a 3 technique while the weakside DE was maned up on the weakside tackle? Yes please, sign me up.
When they actually sat down and talked football today (started around 4:15) they were actually pretty good to listen to. Chris Gasper was giving some knowledge, and w/o Felger on the show they allowed Wiggy to open up and actually discuss serious football talk. He started talking about alignment, blocking, blitzing, schemes...it was actually refreshing to hear. He was knocking it out of the park on a few of his breakdowns. Of course, he isn't great in front of the microphone, but when he was allowed to show his knowledge it was good to listen to.
I just don't get why former NFL players don't stick with their bread and butter. Zolack isn't funny. When he's on the sideline at games and he's giving good breakdowns, he's fantastic. When he talks about unicorns and show ponies, he's a moron. Ditto for Wiggy. Shut the fuck up about the Red Sox, and continue telling me about what you saw during the game. Hearing him talk about lining up in the 4-3 strong with the DE split outside the TE and the DT in a 3 technique while the weakside DE was maned up on the weakside tackle? Yes please, sign me up.
I know exactly why:ratings. I have a contact at the station and asked about Wiggy Wednesday. Believe it or not, the show gets good ratings when he's on.It looks like he'll be around until that changes.
You're insane. That was pretty much the most interesting thing about the entire game on Thursday. It's the second preseason game in Tampa, in which the Patriots are blowing out the Bucs. What do you want him to talk about?
Admit it, when you were a kid you really looked forward to your school's annual trip to the box factory, didn't you?
Yeah, Zolak is hysterical, the same way a five year old with ADHD who was recently given a shitload of sugar is hysterical.
I know sports talk is serious business and should be given to the seriousness of say a Gary Tanguay, but Zolak's niche is secure.
I know sports talk is serious business and should be given to the seriousness of say a Gary Tanguay, but Zolak's niche is secure.
Did you watch the game? What do I want him to talk about? Zolack was discussing the Wam blockers, the outside LB duty on certain plays, etc. He was fantastic. I think all of that stuff is infinitely more fascinating then werewolves, unicorns and show ponies. Just because it's a preseason game doesn't mean you can't learn something. If that stuff doesn't interest you, fine. Enjoy your Randy Cross commentary.
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Whoa. Sorry about that. Fell asleep for a bit.
What were you saying?
Hey, not a problem. Narcolepsy is serious, I wouldn't get mad at you for it.
I was saying I like good things instead of shitty things. I wasn't sure why I didn't like you (other then using tired jokes). I'm starting to put the pieces together.
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Hey, not a problem. Narcolepsy is serious, I wouldn't get mad at you for it.
I was saying I like good things instead of shitty things. I wasn't sure why I didn't like you (other then using tired jokes). I'm starting to put the pieces together.
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But you're right, explaining the intricacies of the two-gap using guys who will be working for FedEx in three weeks is absolutely fascinating stuff. You must be an absolute blast to hang out with. Especially when Zolak made that reference a grand total of once in a three-hour game. Way to get your panties in a twist over nothing.
Hey, not a problem. Narcolepsy is serious, I wouldn't get mad at you for it.
I was saying I like good things instead of shitty things. I wasn't sure why I didn't like you (other then using tired jokes). I'm starting to put the pieces together.
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No, no I was saying that you made a really good poizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
But you're right, explaining the intricacies of the two-gap using guys who will be working for FedEx in three weeks is absolutely fascinating stuff. You must be an absolute blast to hang out with. Especially when Zolak made that reference a grand total of once in a three-hour game. Way to get your panties in a twist over nothing.
I'm sure you became a moderator because you were good at something. Unless you're a mod because you're good at trolling and flaming.
"Zo's better when he talks X and O's"
"It's a preseason game. There's nothing to talk about. It's fucking boring."
"Ok. I liked when Zo mentioned A B C"
"Nah, that's boring and so are you."
"A B C is boring to you? I watch football because I like football. Sorry"
"Nah, that's boring and so are you"
Good stuff man. Still, you're absolutely right. I'm boring. I apologize. I'll spend more time off SoSH and do the best I can to spare the board my boring drivel from now on. You should do the same. Hit up some comedy clubs or something. If you're going to try to be funny, then maybe you can actually learn some funny stuff.
I know the prevalent opinion here is hate to Wiggy Wednesday, but Wiggy on while Mazz was reading the NFL playbook was hysterical to me.
I forgot to mention this yesterday, but last night on the baseball reporters is exactly why people don't take Mazz seriously. After going off on Carl Crawford, he returned to his insistence that Carl Crawford was signed to boost ratings. After harping on that for a few minutes, he proceeded to say that it had to be fact that it was ownership, and not Epstein, who pushed that decision. You know how he knows that? Because "GMs don't worry about ratings". Ugh.
Of course, Werner was on Baseball Reporters with CHB while Mazz was on vacation and said that Theo was the one pushing for Crawford the whole time. Even if Mazz was the one doing the interview, I bet he'd stick to this script, though.
If you listen to Theo talk about the post steroid era he always mentions guys who can run and play defense along with an ability to hit. Look at his draft classes the previous few years - they're loaded with athletes who play baseball. Yeah CC will be on the wrong side of 30 for pretty much all his contract, but to make it sound like Theo hates the guy and was forced to take him by management (like Felger and Mazz do) is so ridiculous. Just look at who they've drafted as outfielders the past few years - the upside is Carl Crawford for most of them.
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Mazz played the audio of that, and somehow used it as evidence that it was ownership that pushed for it.
He has an ax and he's just going to grind it.
The last 5 minutes of Mazz's ranting are exactly why TSH should strongly consider not renewing his contract. To be so spectacularly wrong, and willfully ignorant, about Felix, Verlander, and Wins as a stat, is incomprehensible to me. And to preface it all with a "my opinions are well-formed"... Either he's trolling or he possesses the single dumbest baseball mind in the Boston media.
What a mess. I'm embarrassed for him.
What a mess. I'm embarrassed for him.
Tony and Vulgar will be absolutely giddy about the Patriots' season being already lost. Tony's squeaky little voice will lead one to believe that he's pleasuring himself...well, maybe?
Oh my goodness Cafardo is such a boob.
Anyone else hearing this foolishness? He thinks winning the division is very, very important because "ummm...well...you know...the division...it's a uhhh...you know...uhh....big deal to win that."
Anyone else hearing this foolishness? He thinks winning the division is very, very important because "ummm...well...you know...the division...it's a uhhh...you know...uhh....big deal to win that."
Lazy & Clueless are the words for today. Cafardo is on with Felger & Mazz. The discussion is about the importance of winning the division vs. getting the WC for the Sox. Felger asks who is the last AL WC team to win the World Series.
Here's where clueless and lazy come in.
Tony & Nick grumbling back and forth: "Yankees won the division in '08... Phillies won the WS in '09"
Tony: "Mike! The Red Sox won the ALCS and the World Series in 2004 without the benefit of home field advantage!"
Here's where clueless and lazy come in.
Tony & Nick grumbling back and forth: "Yankees won the division in '08... Phillies won the WS in '09"
Tony: "Mike! The Red Sox won the ALCS and the World Series in 2004 without the benefit of home field advantage!"
This wasn't even the first time I stumbled on someone on the radio saying how it's significant that "only" 4 WC teams have won the WS, I heard some poor caller try to explain the same thing to Butch Stearns a few weeks ago.
Heidi asked him the same question during the rain delay over the weekend and he gave the exact same response. Embarrassing.
Listened to Bertrand and Wiggy. When talking about football, Wiggy is engaging and interesting. When talking about anything else ("guys should be able to pump it up after home runs!"), I want a meteor to hit the TSH studios.
(I was surprised at how well Bertrand worked with him, though. Stupid Twitter fights aside, Bertrand's getting really good.)
(I was surprised at how well Bertrand worked with him, though. Stupid Twitter fights aside, Bertrand's getting really good.)
Felger and Bertrand, the way it should be. I'm hoping one of these vacations 98.5 says "hey why are we paying Mazz all this money when this is better radio?" HOpefully their ratings are just as good without Tony.
I actually do like TOny for the most part.
I actually do like TOny for the most part.
I've mentioned this before, but I like Tony when he is by himself on the Baseball Reporters show than when he is paired with Felger. You can tell he is playing some kind of role on F&M where he seems more genuine on his own.
So let's put together Mazz' riff ... the "lazy" theme is untenable in light of the injuries, and "cheap" doesn't work either cause they sprung for Bedard.
My guess -- everything comes back to Tex. Had they spent the money on him, it wouldn't have been burning a hole in their pocket for the unwise Lackey signing. We wouldn't have Adrian, but his money could then have been steered to a productive pitcher, and we might have the players sent to S.D. to boot.
Is the causation chain too attentuated and speculative? For me, yes, but ...
My guess -- everything comes back to Tex. Had they spent the money on him, it wouldn't have been burning a hole in their pocket for the unwise Lackey signing. We wouldn't have Adrian, but his money could then have been steered to a productive pitcher, and we might have the players sent to S.D. to boot.
Is the causation chain too attentuated and speculative? For me, yes, but ...
I made it through 10 minutes. And then wiggy tried to make a point that I already can't remember except he had all the facts and scores wrong and I changed to weei. Deossie with Holley and Ordway sounds pretty good after that!
Literally everything he said in the first 20 minutes was objectively wrong. Blatantly and factually incorrect. Felger and Mazz were both arguing circles around him, and they were defending the Pats and saying positive things! It was pretty cringe inducing.
Just horrible horrible radio. WEEI here I come, which is too bad because Felger and Mazz seemed to have interesting stuff to say, I just can't get past the awfulness of Wiggins.
Him and Felger went with the "we must blame the guys that aren't playing and aren't really hurt" angle, targeting Beckett, Drew (although they said the team didn't really need him) and, to a lesser extent, Bedard.
I didn't listen yesterday (I won't listen to them talk baseball generally), so I'm a bit confused. Did they really suggest Beckett, Drew, and Bedard are not injured? Odd.
I didn't see it until after I posted, but Mazz -- who typically is more reasonable in print -- actually wrote a column that injuries are no excuse, essentially because the RS were pre-season WS favorites.
Now it is fair to criticize the performance of the position players. Someone posted in the game thread last night that the club over the last 9 games had scored as many runs as it had surrendered, but somehow went something like 1 and 8 in those games. (That's what winning 14 - 0 can do). They have certainly been streaky this season.
But if the apocalypse happens, it will largely be because of injuries to the rotation. To deny this is willful stupidity.
To miss the low-hanging fruit if you want to mount an intelligent criticism of the club -- the massive amount of money invested in Lackey, for example -- is characteristic of Felger and Mazz.
It was more along the lines of, if the organization really thought they were not going to make the playoffs, then guys like Beckett and Bedard would be available to pitch and that they were being cautious instead of nursing minor aches and pains.
Felger then continued to say (as he has for 2 years now) that Beckett and Bedard are not tough players that will play through minor injuries like Youk is right now. They have a history of everything needing to be perfect in order to perform, and honestly I think some of what Feger is saying is pretty close to the truth.
For an organization that has done a phenomenal job drafting and moving pitchers through the system, they have done a horrible job identifying free agent pitching lately. Personally, I was against Lackey from the start and didn't like the Beckett extension, but I don't run the team.
Come on Brew, Felger is full of shit. Beckett did pitch injured as recently as the 2008 ALCS, and it was clear he wasn't in top form. Yet he still gutted out a win in Game 6. And in what way is Beckett's ankle injury "minor"? He sprained it pretty good. You probably don't want a pitcher trying to perform with a bad wheel.
Position players and pitchers are entirely different animals. A position player can play with a bruised toe. A pitcher risks blowing his elbow out if he does the same thing.
Position players and pitchers are entirely different animals. A position player can play with a bruised toe. A pitcher risks blowing his elbow out if he does the same thing.
I think you just made Felger's point. If the season was on the line, like it is in the playoffs, he'd be pitching. Their point was that since the Red Sox as an organization don't really believe that they won't make the playoffs, guys like Beckett and Bedard, are able to rest.
Now I don't listen to 4 hours of Felger and Mazz, but during the segment that I heard, they weren't placing all the blame on Beckett and Bedard. They were blaming it on a malaise that this team seems to go through when they feel that they have the playoffs wrapped up.
edit: As for the other stuff, I don't like Beckett, so anything negative that Felger has to say about it, I'm likely to agree with.
Felger is just yanking your chain. I'm not sure that Beckett was capable of pitching at all in the immediate aftermath of the ankle injury. Keep in mind that the playoff injury in '08 was a lat, a different type of problem.
As for Felger's pathetic attempt at team psychology, there's nothing that needs to be said about it. He knows nothing about the psychology of the team and his attempts to analyze them don't deserve any attention whatsoever.
"Lazy and "complacent" rear their heads again -- this morning: http://www.boston.co...m_feel_ent.html
This is a reflection of the medium as these two guys have chosen to employ it. A player, manager, or executive cannot simply underperform, mismanage or reach an errant judgment. Instead, they must be borderline unprofessional, "arrogant" and, in the case of owners, "cheap".
So everything is a morality play.
This is a reflection of the medium as these two guys have chosen to employ it. A player, manager, or executive cannot simply underperform, mismanage or reach an errant judgment. Instead, they must be borderline unprofessional, "arrogant" and, in the case of owners, "cheap".
So everything is a morality play.
Yeah, OK, forcing arguably their most effective pitcher to play through a rather serious ankle sprain so he can help the "team psychology" is real good strategy, Tommy John surgery be damned. Felger/Mazz are being idiots. I don't care if some fans don't like Beckett for some psuedo-reason; the playoffs will be awfully short if he ain't there.
The way they have been playing, they could be awfully short even if he is there.
Not saying that the rest of your post isn't true, but they haven't looked like a very good team with or without Beckett.