Indeed. He looked slow much of this series, but he finished with a double double, 4 assists, 2 steals and 3 blocks. Can't ask for more than that.
Tatum with a sneaky excellent game. 0 turnovers being the highlight.
Game 6 at Atlanta---Get the Job Done
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Tatum with a sneaky excellent game. 0 turnovers being the highlight.
Credit to the Celtics offense for keeping them in it. You give up 100 on the road in three quarters and usually you get blown out of the gym in the playoffs. It’s weird to say for the superior team but matching the Hawks basket for basket until the defense could close the deal in the last six minutes was big for the Celtics.
The biggest play of the quarter ultimately might have been when they didn’t call the travel/double dribble and the jump fell kinda right to Trae open from three and he missed it. Kept lead at 6 I think and never got closer.
I am seeing Janet on May 19th at "Great Woods" (like 5 corporate name changes ago), but sadly last saw her roughly 8 years before Tatum was born.
Another example of inexperienced coaching when you cannot take advantage of this type of efficiency!
Great close out from the big guys.
I need to stop getting my hopes up for Timelord, not even a little. Seeing those first 4 games, such amazingness. He tweaks a knee, and now he shouldn't even be on the court. Fuck. So sad.
I need to stop getting my hopes up for Timelord, not even a little. Seeing those first 4 games, such amazingness. He tweaks a knee, and now he shouldn't even be on the court. Fuck. So sad.
Make sure you leave plenty of time for traffic, that’s also night of TayTay at Gillette
I felt like Atlanta was super athletic and created a lot of matchup issues for the Celtics defensively. I think the rest of the teams left in atleast the East are more grind it out teams and cannot create the same type of issues. They can certainly create other issues and are much better defensively but the other series moving forward are going to be a bit different than this. Am I wrong for thinking that?
I missed the first quarters with health issues, the NFL draft and general avoiding stress. What happens to RW?
Trae missed a bunch of shots tonite that I was sure he would make, including a couple of floaters.
For me, it was Jaylen's 3 with about 5 minutes left. Atlanta had just gone up by 3, 113-110, with an alley oop to Capela. C's were on a 2:30 scoring drought and he drained one.
That started an 11-0 run by the C's that effectively ended the game. He misses that, and Atlanta scores and we go down 5-6, I don't think we recover.
He wasn’t springy tonight, but Rob did some good things in 17 minutes. Only 2-2 for 4 points, 6 defensive rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks.
Holy fuck, thanks for the advance heads up before I noticed it only a few days in advance. I should just take the whole afternoon out of work and get a pregame meal in the general vicinity kind of early.
He was a step slow for sure but that late 4Q block of Trae without fouling was another one of many big plays down the stretch. For all the criticism Joe gets around here it was absolutely brilliant how he had Smart available at the FT line…..every time it led to an open 3 and his key layup late as the defense was expecting the pass to the corner.
Well done dude. I went into this game with a similar mindset and staying positive made for a better experience (only Smart launching two 3s in the 4th back to back managed to make me slip a little).
Meanwhile..
That was fascinating and something you almost never hear on mainstream sports media (or, really, any sports media). I think it’s gotten to the point where if a team isn’t a bona fide title contender, then they don’t matter and are worthy of scorn. The ESPN and podcast universe thrives on that type of discourse. Shit, there are people, if not many, on this very forum that root for their team to lose if they evaluate they can’t win a title and want a better pick (ie, lottery ticket), because nothing matters but winning titles. So it’s nice to hear the counternarrative expressed by people with a platform in sports media.
Re: Shaq….I suspect Shaq speaks for many athletes, even if it isn’t remotely the healthiest outlook. Hell, I can imagine Michael Jordan watching that segment with furrowed brows, shaking his head.
He misses that three at the end of game 5 and we look at his shooting over the series a lot differently.. any of the three or four he hit late really.
edit: there were a few times it felt like he thought it was a competition to see how far away he could shoot it. Never really seen anything like it.
His comments re: whether the season is a failure starts at about a minute in:
View: https://youtu.be/jVPQDcAvPW4
The TNT panel’s commentary from tonight isn’t posted yet.
Kenny, Chuck and Ernie went way beyond sports with their answer and talked about mental health problems and issues with expectations, very deep stuff…at one point the camera went wide and you could see all 4 of them. Those 3 were locked in and listening and Shaq was staring off into space.
I think Shaq made the right decision not engaging om what they were talking about because he clearly would have said something monumentally stupid and not fit for their discussion. He pretty much just “stuck to sports”
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I know exactly what play you're talking about, but for some reason he didn't have a turnover in the box. No clue.
Yup that was the play for me, too. The Hawks had a couple of really good looks from 3 before that play and could have extended the lead to 6, and it really felt like the game was about to slip away. Brown's 3 flipped it completely.
He disagreed with Kenny and Chuck and basically said if you don't reach your goal, which is a championship, the season is a failure. He said he didn't think Giannis himself was a failure, but the fact that he didn't achieve his goal meant the season was a failure.
Chuck and Kenny had some really insightful stuff about what success actually means, i'll post it when it's online if someone else doesn't.
Not to hijack the thread, but this reminds me when they all had a live interview when Dwight Howard a few years back when he was sitting with them as a guest panelist. It got very real very quick and went on to about a 10 minute conversation about expectations, his perception around the league, etc. before a commercial finally began to air.
Found a clip:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k74i53R01M0
Edit: This was before his running away to join MFL during the Bubble championship.
I don’t really disagree with Shaqs assertion that the Bucks season was a failure. I mean it’s likely to cost their coach his job so it’s hard to not call the Bucks going out in the first round a massive failure. Imagine if the C’s didn’t make it last Atlanta…..do you think SoSHers would be calling this year a failure or a nice stepping stone to learn from?
Not having seen the reactions but reading above, I totally agree with the Chuck and Kenny side. I have had some pretty big isolated mistakes at work, and if not for the accumulation of successes on other projects during the course of that year my mind would have gone to some pretty dark places. As Giannis said, Michael Jordan won 6 rings in 15 seasons. So are more than half his seasons a "failure"? Seems like a way to burn yourself out really quickly, if you win that many games over the course of a long season then it means absolutely nothing in the end. We can say "argh they totally blew it" then move on to the next sports season or distract ourselves elsewhere, but those who toil over their craft can't dismiss a whole year of effort so easily.
I mean, I understand the general argument - but in light of the nuanced discussion on what constitutes failure it was a noticeably superficial take. Not super surprising from Shaq, who has the depth of a potato and is the architect of much of the "rings Erneh" drivel.
I think Giannis talking about how a season can be a stepping stone or build toward something is apt. You're not going to win a championship every year, it doesn't necessarily mean a season didn't yield valuable lessons toward the goal. Would I call the Bucks season a failure? Yeah, I probably would - but that doesn't mean every single one where you don't win is a failure.
Great example of this is last year - I wouldn't consider the '22 Celtics season a failure. I know some would, and I understand that, but hopefully those lessons apply toward a championship at another point (please be this year).
Ernie brought up the topic and threw it first to Chuck. Ernie framed it, and clearly wanted to talk about, failure in a larger sense and how to frame it and deal with it. Chuck gave a very strong answer and talked about how he couldn’t think of himself as a failure because of how far he had come from growing up poor in Alabama to what he was now. He brought up Shaq only winning 4 championships in his 20 years but that he was still a success
They then go to Shaq who says how he came from a military background, defines failure, then says yes every year I didn’t win a championship was a failure.
It was such a stark contrast to what Chuck said and what they were clearly trying to talk about that it was jarring. Ernie then threw it to Kenny and I think it was kind of decided that Shaq shouldn’t contribute anymore.
BTW, I do think the Bucks season was a failure this year but there’s much more nuance and layers to it than what Shaq said…which isn’t surprising because as you said, Shaqs contributions and insight are basically nil
Rewatching the game at the moment.. at 4:50 or so of the third quarter Tatum drives from the right side and is either trying to pass or trying to gather to go up and he either loses the ball or had it knocked out of his hands.. not sure how that wasn't a TO. Glad that it's the only one that is even a possibility though.. a nice change.
These deserved love. You’re both now officially ambassadors of the Rhythm Nation.
View: https://youtu.be/HN0jW77xp-U
FWIW I think it would be a mistake for the Bucks to fire Bud over this.
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Giannis reframed the question bringing in Jordan and everyone took the bait. Not every year you don’t win is a failure, but losing as the one seed in 5 games in the first round and blowing two 15+ point leads absolutely reduces the season to a failure.
Giannis talks about stepping stones…this is a veteran championship-caliber team going in the wrong direction. There’s nothing for them to build on here.
Giannis talks about stepping stones…this is a veteran championship-caliber team going in the wrong direction. There’s nothing for them to build on here.
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And they won the title two years ago.. the season may not be a failure but the playoffs vs expectation seems to be pretty close to a failure
edit: basically what you said.. they’re taking the stepping stones away from where they want to be.. how do you build off a round 1 exit where you win one game as the one seed.
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