General Playoff Thread: The Long 2nd Season

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Can someone please explain to me that while in the last two minutes of the game,down by one or whatever, a team with Steph Curry is having everyone else take circus shots driving to the hoop rather than giving him the ball and lettting him just do his thing? Get him teh ball and get out of the way.
 

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Warriors don't really have anyone to blame but themselves if they blow this one. They had plenty of chances down the stretch with Thompson doing everything on defense, but I don't think Curry has taken a single one of their last 7-8 shots in the last couple minutes.
 

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The effort each are putting in on the defensive end of the floor is part of the reason another is the defensive intensity by the Warriors. We've seen similar results in Toronto when your offense is so heavily focused on two iso players to carry the load. Very different than your average free flowing regular season game.
 

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OKC has 11 turnovers for the game. Didn't they have something like 9 in the first half? taking care of the ball will be ncredibly important in the series.
 

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The missed travel call isn't particularly outrageous in the context of usual NBA refereeing incompetence. They've missed worse these playoffs alone
 

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Long way to go but beating SA and then GS would have to be one of the most impressive playoff performances ever.
 

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Why did he say "Get well Chris Webber" at the end of the telecast? What's up with Webber?

I'm with you moondog. If they get by GS and SA, both with home court advantage, after they lost a combined 3 games at home in the regular season, it would be outrageous. If they ever capped it off with a win over the Cavs in the finals, that would probably be the most impressive run through favorites in the history of team sports that I can think of.
 

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I'm no professional analyst or anything, but OKC looked very tall compared to Oakland.
 

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1) The Warriors missed Bogut after he went out injured. They don't have anyone to match up with Adams without him. Ezeli doesn't look ready for a war like this and doesn't have the hands/interior passing skills that Bogut has.

2) It was bizarre that Curry kept giving up the ball in the last five minutes, and that nobody gave it back to him, especially when the other guys weren't getting good shots. Why not let him run PnRs?

3) The Ws shot 11-30 from 3. That's weighed down by a few desperation heaves in the last 30 seconds, but they missed a number of pretty good looks in the 4th quarter. They won't shoot that badly every game.

4) It helped that OKC was allowed to manhandle Curry off the ball while he was trying to run around screens.
 

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The OKC defensive scheme on Curry was brilliant down the stretch. Westbrook and Waiters took turns on denying the ball ever getting back to Steph once he started up the offense with Waiters especially getting physical and not allowing Steph the ball. Ibaka and Durant also switched on him to deny whenever Steph used angles to be in a position to accept a pass. The best was when Durant switch and was right there to block Curry's shot at the rim.

Credit to Donovan and his assistants in not allowing Curry to get off with the one exception with about 4 minutes to go when Ibaka didn't close out quickly enough on Curry's 3-pointer from the corner. Overall a great game plan and execution on the defensive end.

Edit: I watched each of the Warriors possessions over the final 5 minutes on DVR again and the job done on Curry stands out even more watching the second time especially by Waiters and Durant's awareness to switch on him when necessary.
 

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I'm no professional analyst or anything, but OKC looked very tall compared to Oakland.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but I believe OKC is longer than Golden State at every position except the 2 (assuming Bogut is on the bench where he belongs).
 

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OKC with 2 turnovers in the second half. Damn impressive.
Travel non-call was absolute BS, and a difference maker. But this is our NBA. We spend four minutes determining Bogut going after a rebound in a total basketball move is a flagrant in Q1, but can't fix a shit non-call turnover with 30 seconds left.
Dubs have to play better.
 

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How impressive would it be if OKC goes through SA/GS without home court? This might be Durant's "Dirk in 2011" moment.
 

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I'm not going to over react too much to this game. As coremiller said above, GSW missed a lot of good clean looks from 3, some of which would have been absolute back breakers for OKC had they fallen.

I'm not convinced OKCs twin tower lineup can guard GS over a 7 game series. But hey OKC have got one in the books and you never know with Durant/Westbrook
 

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HRB is correct in that the Thunder defended the Warriors and Curry in particular, well, during the second half. However the keys for me were the period when Thompson went out and Westbrook felt free to go off. Westbrook is clearly bothered by Thompson and the Warriors are going to have to adjust their rotation to keep Thompson on the floor when Westbrook is playing. In addition, the Warriors had several terrible sequences where they either turned the ball over or had horrible shot selection in terms of the location or timing of their shots. There were sequences where the Warriors didn't even look for Curry when he had some daylight.

The turnovers will likely normalize and the shot selection will improve. I still think this series goes no more than six with the Warriors coming out on top but I respect the job the Thunder did tonight and am not as confident as I was earlier today that the Warriors can win the series.
 

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I'm not going to make the same mistake I made last series and underestimate this OKC team. I think GS has a dogfight on their hands.
 

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Junior high intramural refs are better than this
What incompetent fools
Trust me, they aren't. As bad as NBA refs have shown to be I've seen a helluvalot worse. My daughter is playing 6th grade AAU travel ball and I've seen some absolutely awful officiating. The amount of missed travels is mind blowing. The worst thing I've consistently seen is giving teams timeouts in scramble/tie up situations when the ball is actually on the floor and neither team has control of the ball. Trust me, having seen a lot of refs at that level the last few months, they are not remotely even close to being better than the dreck the NBA is tossing out in striped shirts.
 

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Trust me, they aren't. As bad as NBA refs have shown to be I've seen a helluvalot worse. My daughter is playing 6th grade AAU travel ball and I've seen some absolutely awful officiating. The amount of missed travels is mind blowing. The worst thing I've consistently seen is giving teams timeouts in scramble/tie up situations when the ball is actually on the floor and neither team has control of the ball. Trust me, having seen a lot of refs at that level the last few months, they are not remotely even close to being better than the dreck the NBA is tossing out in striped shirts.
I used to be as hard on officials as anyone especially back when I played. Then I began officiating rec games one winter and only one winter......that's all it took for me to recognize how wrong I was all those years. You simply cannot comprehend everything that is occurring, nevermind at NBA quickness levels, without experiencing it firsthand.
 

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I used to be as hard on officials as anyone especially back when I played. Then I began officiating rec games one winter and only one winter......that's all it took for me to recognize how wrong I was all those years. You simply cannot comprehend everything that is occurring, nevermind at NBA quickness levels, without experiencing it firsthand.
NBA reffing is certainly very difficult but missing a dragging pivot foot like Westbrook's is inexcusable. That's a very easy call to make.
 

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NBA reffing is certainly very difficult but missing a dragging pivot foot like Westbrook's is inexcusable. That's a very easy call to make.
From our couches I agree. At game speed without the advantage of the camera angle we had maybe not so much.

The one official who was in position to make that call appears that he could have been screened by Curry. Even if he wasn't screened he was facing the play to where identifying Westbrooks foot dragging at game speed isn't as obvious as it was from our viewpoint.

I have a much greater problem with the Flagrant-1 when Bogut was clearly swinging his hand/arm at the ball prior to having contact with Westbrooks head. The defense of the call being that it was the follow through causing the flagrant is asinine as Bogut's follow through was consistent with what it would be from attempting to swat the ball. Awful decision there.
 

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Definitely harder when you're on the floor but if refs can't make that call, then there is a big problem. Positioning definitely played a role because the ref covering the inbounds had to race up the sideline and probably had a tough angle on it from behind whereas the other ref across the court was probably too far away. I think both of them were slow in their reactions. Feels silly to have replay capabilities and not be able to correct missed calls like that.
 

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Definitely harder when you're on the floor but if refs can't make that call, then there is a big problem. Positioning definitely played a role because the ref covering the inbounds had to race up the sideline and probably had a tough angle on it from behind whereas the other ref across the court was probably too far away. I think both of them were slow in their reactions. Feels silly to have replay capabilities and not be able to correct missed calls like that.
I agree that it's been a big problem however I don't know what solution is available aside from expanding what is able to be changed via replay which then brings into play other issues such as stoppage of play, etc. As you say this is a call you simply have to find a way to get right.

This particular play I feel was much more difficult than your typical Joe Fan feels it is which I'm glad to see that you recognIze as well. Good job.
 

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Perimeter or open-floor travels were the hardest call for me to see when officiated back in the day. And now that I coach high school, I'd say it's the most consistent missed call by our conference refs.
 

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The missed travel call isn't particularly outrageous in the context of usual NBA refereeing incompetence. They've missed worse these playoffs alone
Iguadola not getting 2 FTs was one of them.
 

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Can someone please explain to me that while in the last two minutes of the game,down by one or whatever, a team with Steph Curry is having everyone else take circus shots driving to the hoop rather than giving him the ball and lettting him just do his thing? Get him teh ball and get out of the way.
I agree with half of this. They can't just rely on Curry. As others have said, he's being well defended/mugged, and won't hit every shot he takes. That said, the "circus shots" (possibly too strong a description, but anyway) were what drove me crazy last night, in particular: (1) Draymond taking an out-of-sync three rather than giving the ball to Steph, who was being guarded by Kanter; (2) Klay rushing at least two threes in the 4th quarter with no one down to rebound; (3) Draymond trying a flip-shot layup rather than driving straight to the bucket in the 4th; and (4) Klay trying a weird reverse layup instead of going strong to the hoop. Maybe I'm underestimating the greatness of Adams's shot-blocking abilities, but I feel like the Warriors could've at least gotten to the line if they'd gone hard to he hoop on those latter two plays rather than doing all they could to avoid contact/being blocked.

It was a really disappointing game, especially since (1) they had a double-digit lead in the third despite having been sloppy with the ball all game and (2) OKC basically tried to hand them the game late. This is definitely a "the Russian is cut" situation -- I'm curious to see how they respond. I expect them to take care of the ball and torch OKC tomorrow night, because even if they get up 20, Kerr won't call off the dogs after what happened last night. But then they need to win at least one in OKC, which won't be easy.
 

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I agree with half of this. They can't just rely on Curry. As others have said, he's being well defended/mugged, and won't hit every shot he takes. That said, the "circus shots" (possibly too strong a description, but anyway) were what drove me crazy last night, in particular: (1) Draymond taking an out-of-sync three rather than giving the ball to Steph, who was being guarded by Kanter; (2) Klay rushing at least two threes in the 4th quarter with no one down to rebound; (3) Draymond trying a flip-shot layup rather than driving straight to the bucket in the 4th; and (4) Klay trying a weird reverse layup instead of going strong to the hoop. Maybe I'm underestimating the greatness of Adams's shot-blocking abilities, but I feel like the Warriors could've at least gotten to the line if they'd gone hard to he hoop on those latter two plays rather than doing all they could to avoid contact/being blocked.

It was a really disappointing game, especially since (1) they had a double-digit lead in the third despite having been sloppy with the ball all game and (2) OKC basically tried to hand them the game late. This is definitely a "the Russian is cut" situation -- I'm curious to see how they respond. I expect them to take care of the ball and torch OKC tomorrow night, because even if they get up 20, Kerr won't call off the dogs after what happened last night. But then they need to win at least one in OKC, which won't be easy.
The worst was after a steal late on the game, Thompson broke away ahead of the defense and ran straight to the corner for a quick three rather than a layup
 

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Lebron played 28 minutes in the Cavs blowout win. Way to make em earn it Toronto
 

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Kerr with the first adjustment of the series by making sure Thompson mirrors Westbrook by being on the floor whenever Russ is playing. Lets see if it works...
 

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Green just kneed Adams in the groin and then yelled at him after making the layup. What a guy!