I listened to an interview with Hal on the radio just after Boone was hired and I was quite impressed. He was contrite and humble, but still direct and honest and did not try to sugar coat things. When asked if Boone was a unanimous choice he made it clear he was not, but that he implicitly trusted his top people who made the call.Also, I've never heard Hal do a full interview before with Q&A but holy shit does he sound like his father. If you can watch the Q&A with YES, it was pretty good for both Stanton & Hal.
So it looks like Jeter & Co. tried to call Stanton's no-trade veto bluff, but the team blinked first.
Yeah, that seems to be the only issue with this story. How could they threaten "Marlin for life" when he has an opt-out in three years? I mean, maybe they really tried that, but that's a pretty transparent bluff. If that's true, it's not a good look.What was Jeter going to do? Take whiteout to the opt-out section of his contract if he didn’t accept the Giants/Cardinals trades?
Rebuild the team with Stanton still on it and see if he changes his mind when they are 12 games out on Memorial Day. Do you think he was going to wait three more years in that scenario?What was Jeter going to do? Take whiteout to the opt-out section of his contract if he didn’t accept the Giants/Cardinals trades?
And what happens if he can't replicate the deal ended up getting with the Yankees, and STL and SF are no longer interested?Rebuild the team with Stanton still on it and see if he changes his mind when they are 12 games out on Memorial Day. Do you think he was going to wait three more years in that scenario?
Did you miss the times they threatened to tear down the team around him and that it literally just came out that they threatened he’d be a Marlin for life if he didn’t accept the trade to either San Fran or St. Louis which is what I’m referring to? It’s a terrible bluff makes no sense at all when he has an opt out.Rebuild the team with Stanton still on it and see if he changes his mind when they are 12 games out on Memorial Day. Do you think he was going to wait three more years in that scenario?
I didn't miss it. I just think he would have caved if they went through with it. Instead they blinked within 48 hours.Did you miss the times they threatened to tear down the team around him and that it literally just came out that they threatened he’d be a Marlin for life if he didn’t accept the trade to either San Fran or St. Louis which is what I’m referring to? It’s a terrible bluff makes no sense at all when he has an opt out.
That was probably somewhat because they also showed Didi's tweet asking if he'll still hit 4th, which featured a gif of The Rock. You were subconsciously influenced.I just want to add he reminded me of Dwayne The Rock Johnson during his interview on MLBN.
The issue is that they have an opportunity right now to dump his entire salary, so they took it. Sure, STL and SF had better offers, but if they call his bluff and he relents mid season, its more than likely STL and SF will have moved on and no longer be in a position to make it happen.Did you miss the times they threatened to tear down the team around him and that it literally just came out that they threatened he’d be a Marlin for life if he didn’t accept the trade to either San Fran or St. Louis which is what I’m referring to? It’s a terrible bluff makes no sense at all when he has an opt out.
Stanton didn't poopoo Jeter so much as he said he didn't think the Marlins were far off from competing. His real criticisms were of the organization itself and he just sounded like someone who was fed up playing for an organization that is constantly in flux.Rebuild the team with Stanton still on it and see if he changes his mind when they are 12 games out on Memorial Day. Do you think he was going to wait three more years in that scenario?
I agree. That's why I think if they simply said "OK" and went on with the rest of their offseason, he would have softened his stance in early February. Worst case scenario, they get the same deal they just got form NYY.His real criticisms were of the organization itself and he just sounded like someone who was fed up playing for an organization that is constantly in flux.
By early February the Yankees may have added more salary, perhaps for a pitcher, making the same trade impossible. There was nothing else they could really have done given their goals, so the threat was completely hollow.I agree. That's why I think if they simply said "OK" and went on with the rest of their offseason, he would have softened his stance in early February. Worst case scenario, they get the same deal they just got form NYY.
No they are not; they shit their pants when that coconut head approaches them wanting to make a trade.Are teams aware that they can say no to Cashman?
The backstory of the Giancarlo Stanton trade is bonkers. Miami threatened that if he didn’t accept a trade to St. Louis or San Francisco, he would be a Marlin for life. He called their bluff. And because of it, he’s a New York Yankee.
They're not competitive teams and Stanton didn't want to go to another team on the verge of needing to rebuild.So, I don't understand. What was the issue with the Giants and Cardinals for Stanton?
It really wasn't totally empty if they wanted to be spiteful. They could have dealt Bour, Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, etc. and left the team as Stanton and 24 pre-arb guys. And then trade the guys as they come to arb. That would have been brutal.The issue is that they have an opportunity right now to dump his entire salary, so they took it. Sure, STL and SF had better offers, but if they call his bluff and he relents mid season, its more than likely STL and SF will have moved on and no longer be in a position to make it happen.
Waiting until next season might be an option, but it also means spending another $25M on him this season, and I doubt the haul would have been significantly better even if they decided to risk it.
Their threat was empty and Stanton knew it.
It's really shitty that fans weren't interested in seeing that offense last year. They really had strong offense and probably were only a couple starters away from competing.It really wasn't totally empty if they wanted to be spiteful. They could have dealt Bour, Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, etc. and left the team as Stanton and 24 pre-arb guys. And then trade the guys as they come to arb. That would have been brutal.
But to what end? They had an offer from the Yankees, a team on his list, and didn't ultimately care about the return: they wanted to shed the contract. Even if they did as you say to try to spite him and convince him to accept a better trade somewhere else, there's no guarantee that a team agrees to the kind of deal the Yankees offered (i.e.: taking on the bulk of the contract). In fact there's every reason to believe that if they waited, there would be fewer takers.It really wasn't totally empty if they wanted to be spiteful. They could have dealt Bour, Ozuna, Yelich, Realmuto, etc. and left the team as Stanton and 24 pre-arb guys. And then trade the guys as they come to arb. That would have been brutal.
Red Sox ticket sales are down 6% versus last year at this time. If that holds up that equates to roughly 160,000 tickets. A 700,000 ticket swing at a conservative $50 per ticket is $35m. It’s likely more than thatBob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale
How popular are the #Yankees these days with the acquisition of Giancarlo Stanton? They have already sold about 550,000 more tickets than a year ago at this time
This is something I bet Scott Boras is very aware of. There probably isn't clear math but I bet Boras is making the argument that the longer teams wait to sign FAs, the less season ticket holders are enticed to renew.Red Sox ticket sales are down 6% versus last year at this time. If that holds up that equates to roughly 160,000 tickets. A 700,000 ticket swing at a conservative $50 per ticket is $35m. It’s likely more than that
Nice! Looking forward to a last-minute invite or two when your real life buddies can't make it...I'm only one example but when we traded for Stanton, I immediately purchased season tickets in left field.
Hey man, anytime. We're selling opening day to make up for more than 50% of the cost of the whole package.Nice! Looking forward to a last-minute invite or two when your real life buddies can't make it...
Better than staring at the back of the head of some bearded first years from BU!I hope you guys can see the field and the players through all the pink Yankee hats in the stands!