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https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/553658696643784705
 
Sounds like the Green to Memphis deal may go through soon. Curious to hear who is involved. Who is interesting? Adams? Pondexter? Koufos? Calathes (I actually just included him to prove to myself that there are occasional Greek names I can spell correctly without looking them up)?
 
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Grin&MartyBarret said:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/553658696643784705
 
Sounds like the Green to Memphis deal may go through soon. Curious to hear who is involved. Who is interesting? Adams? Pondexter? Koufos? Calathes (I actually just included him to prove to myself that there are occasional Greek names I can spell correctly without looking them up)?
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Of the realistic guys, I'm hoping for Adams. I don't see a lot of potential for Q-Pon and I don't see a big coming back.
 
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Grin&MartyBarret said:
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/553658696643784705
 
Sounds like the Green to Memphis deal may go through soon. Curious to hear who is involved. Who is interesting? Adams? Pondexter? Koufos? Calathes (I actually just included him to prove to myself that there are occasional Greek names I can spell correctly without looking them up)?
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I'd bet pretty heavily on Prince's expiring and a future 1st.
 
Edit- apparently Wojo agrees.
 
Memphis can I believe, reverse protect the pick, meaning we would get it this year even though they have a pick outstanding to DEN via CLE.
 
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The 2 rumored trades should get the Celtics down to #4 on the tank standings by the time the year is over. Catching the bottom 3 each with 5 wins each will be next to impossible, but dropping from #8 to 4 won't take much (currently only 2.5 out).
 
And yes that is what it has come to for a couple of years ---- better to be awful than mediocre in the NBA
 
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA  3m3 minutes ago
Boston, Memphis have been discussing Jeff Green trade for several weeks, sources tell Yahoo. Boston had wanted two firsts until recently
 
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Boston and Memphis awaiting the final nod from a third team in deal to have an agreement on Jeff Green trade, league sources tell Yahoo.
 
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine  4m4 minutes ago
ESPN sources say Jeff Green is essentially a member of the Grizzlies now. Teams have agreed to the deal and hope to complete it tonight
 
Sean Grande ‏@SeanGrandePBP  9m9 minutes ago
Jeff Green just left the floor here in Indianapolis.
 
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Wonder who the third team is---are they contributing the pick or receiving something (Prince?)   No sal cap help needed on this one.
 
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So basically, we re unloading a bunch of decent rotation players so we can draft a bunch of.... decent rotation players in the future.

The question remains how do we get top talent.
 
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Nick Kaufman said:
So basically, we re unloading a bunch of decent rotation players so we can draft a bunch of.... decent rotation players in the future.
The question remains how do we get top talent.
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Well its better to try to do it via hitting on someone in the draft via standing pat with rotation players whom you know aren't good enough to do anything for you now but make you mediocre.  We don't want no mediocre, we don't need no mediocre.  
 
In other news, this is an ok trade for Memphis but they need someone who can shoot from outside and Green isn't that guy.  I know the pickings are slim but if they face a team with a decent sized front-line and someone who can contain Conley in the playoffs (Portland, LAC and/or maybe Dallas) they still won't have enough.  
 
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I think you are underestimating the Griz here. Marc Gasol is arguably the best two-way true Center in the league, Z-Bo is still productive (when healthy) and Conley is very good on both ends. They have solid role players. They're a tough team and if Green as a 4th scoring option is not a trivial addition.

I think they are a top-4 team in the West and have the advantage of having a core that has played together for 4+ years.
 
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Nick Kaufman said:
So basically, we re unloading a bunch of decent rotation players so we can draft a bunch of.... decent rotation players in the future.
The question remains how do we get top talent.
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We're unloading rotation guys who won't be here next year for assets that will.
 
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I like this trade for Memphis, especially as it seems like they were able to hold onto Koufos. Green is only shooting 30% from beyond the arc this season, but he shot 34% last year and 38% the year before that. Playing with much better teammates and a great passing  big man, I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to 40% now. Memphis needed an offensive wing, and they got a pretty decent one. This was a team so starved for capable wing players that Quincy Pondexter was a key player for them, and Green is a big improvement over him.
 
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I think you are underestimating the Griz here. Marc Gasol is arguably the best two-way true Center in the league, Z-Bo is still productive (when healthy) and Conley is very good on both ends. They have solid role players. They're a tough team and if Green as a 4th scoring option is not a trivial addition.

I think they are a top-4 team in the West and have the advantage of having a core that has played together for 4+ years.
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I am not underestimating  the Grizzlies. I think with scoring, they are a clear cut favorite to come out of the Western Conference.  And Green, with his inconsistent scoring and lack of any semblance of a three point shot is more of their fourth scoring option behind Courtney Lee who is having a beast of a season (the kind Boston had hoped for when they acquired him way back when).  At this point, Green is more bench depth for Memphis than anything but the fact that he cannot defend well or shoot from beyond the arc isn't going to supercharge their chances to climb out of the octagon of the West.  His presence just gooses them a bit.
 
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I like this trade for Memphis, especially as it seems like they were able to hold onto Koufos. Green is only shooting 30% from beyond the arc this season, but he shot 34% last year and 38% the year before that. Playing with much better teammates and a great passing  big man, I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to 40% now. Memphis needed an offensive wing, and they got a pretty decent one. This was a team so starved for capable wing players that Quincy Pondexter was a key player for them, and Green is a big improvement over him.
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Your point about Green taking Pondexter's minutes is a good one and that helps the Grizzlies.  But Green has never really been a good three point shooter so maybe he will improve but I would be surprised if he surpasses his ~38% from two years ago.  Not bad but not great.   
 
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Your point about Green taking Pondexter's minutes is a good one and that helps the Grizzlies.  But Green has never really been a good three point shooter so maybe he will improve but I would be surprised if he surpasses his ~38% from two years ago.  Not bad but not great.   
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There are a total of 11 players in the entire league (who qualify) that shoot over 42% behind the arc. 38% is very very good.
 
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There are a total of 11 players in the entire league (who qualify) that shoot over 42% behind the arc. 38% is very very good.
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Yeah and Green hasn't shot 38% in two years and the bulk of his career has been more around his current 30%.  I would consider his 38%-handles outliers based on what we know of the guy.  
 
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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
Yeah and Green hasn't shot 38% in two years and the bulk of his career has been more around his current 30%.  I would consider his 38%-handles outliers based on what we know of the guy.  
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But he played on two shit teams the last few seasons after he hit 38%, teams that looked for him as the top scoring option, when he is going to be the fourth or fifth guy on a really good team with an elite passing big man. It is unfair to judge his shooting ability based on a different offensive environment for him.
 
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Yeah and Green hasn't shot 38% in two years and the bulk of his career has been more around his current 30%.  I would consider his 38%-handles outliers based on what we know of the guy.
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He shoots corner threes at a solid rate, especially when opponents are distracted by other scorers, which they will be in Memphis.
 
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Really? No one wanted to report that Green and Wright are being traded? 
 
Really? Elcab doesn't want to read the threads? 
 
Green to Memphis- Not final yet, but looking like Green for Tayshaun Prince and a 1st rounder. May expand to a 3 team deal with New Orleans sending us an expiring John Salmons in exchange for Memphis sending them Pondexter. I'm guessing the 1st rounder would come from NO if the deal is expanded, otherwise it would come from Memphis, which wouldn't be able to convey their own pick until '17 or '18, I believe.
 
Wright to Phoenix- The Suns are sending the C's a 1st round pick they had from MIN. The pick has protection on it though, so it's likely to turn into two second rounders. It's top 12 protected this and next year, so if MIN doesn't turn it around quickly, it will turn into two 2nds. Two 2nd isn't anything special, but the deal also creates a $5M exception for Ainge to use and maybe they get lucky that Wiggins explodes next year and gets them out of the bottom 12 (not likely).
 
Neither trade is going to net us a great return, but then again, I didn't expect much more than this for an inconsistent SF and a backup PF/C. 
 
Edit: I could've sworn I checked the thread before posting. My bad. 
 
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Jeff Green can't carry the offensive load on a bad team by himself, and he disappears at least once a week. The Celtics just took a great leap forward in the Tank Race.
 
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Rivers is literally the worst player in the league.
 
I wouldn't say Crowder is an upgrade to Green but his salary certainly is. After the Wallace salary expires next year they have tons of space.
 
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Jeff Green can't carry the offensive load on a bad team by himself, and he disappears at least once a week. The Celtics just took a great leap forward in the Tank Race.
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Green has been awful lately. Crowder getting his minutes doesn't seem to help the tank that much.

If Brad keeps Nelson out and benches Thornton my viewing experience is going to go way up.
 
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Celts are getting a first, as well. Wonder which one.
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Has to be from Memphis. They wouldn't be able to get Green for Pondexter and Princes' corpse.
 
New Orleans probably has to be sending something else out too, maybe a 2nd to Memphis or something, to get Pondexter.
 
I like Boston getting Rivers thrown in since he has talent, but he's been so awful in the NBA there was talk NO might waive him. Which is saying something with that cheap a contract.
 
Hopefully for Boston, the coaching upgrade for Rivers helps him figure it out. If not, no real risk for Boston. Just give him the rest of the season to develop, if he doesn't let him walk in June.
 
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I forget how rookie contracts work nowadays. Can the C's cut Rivers this summer if that makes the cap math work on something larger? (I realize it's unlikely to be an issue.)
 
Rivers is no great shakes, but he's better than Phil Pressey. The C's do have to pay a modicum of attention to the watchability of the current team, and Rivers will help a little with that. 
 
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I forget how rookie contracts work nowadays. Can the C's cut Rivers this summer if that makes the cap math work on something larger? (I realize it's unlikely to be an issue.)
 
Rivers is no great shakes, but he's better than Phil Pressey. The C's do have to pay a modicum of attention to the watchability of the current team, and Rivers will help a little with that. 

 
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Pelicans had to pick up option on Rivers for next season by Oct 31st, they declined it.
 
He's an unrestricted free agent this summer.
 
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Pelicans had to pick up option on Rivers for next season by Oct 31st, they declined it.
 
He's an unrestricted free agent this summer.
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Thanks.

So we own his Bird rights if he miraculously figures something out in the next three months; otherwise, he's just more fun to watch than Phil Pressey.

Edit: couldn't read Clears's post on mobile. Guess there's another shoe to drop.
 
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USA Today has Austin Rivers being moved along to the Clippers.
https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/status/554057971194679296
 
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There's always 1 or 2 second round picks that go on to good NBA careers. Maybe Danny figures he can be sure of snapping them up if he can pick up the whole second round.
 
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Austin's 22, pending free agent. Clips searching for PG depth. Front office/ assistants telling Doc: Forget his last name. This makes sense.
 
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Doc probably wants nothing to do with coaching his son, and I doubt Austin is crazy about the idea either. It would be one thing if he were an established vet but he's still trying (and failing) to find his way in the league and I don't think this is the situation or coach to turn it around for him.
 
Lastly, as much shit as Bradley gets for his play sometimes, rumor had it that he was potentially going to be traded with a pick to move up and draft Austin, which would have been a disaster.
 
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mcpickl said:
Hopefully for Boston, the coaching upgrade for Rivers helps him figure it out. If not, no real risk for Boston. Just give him the rest of the season to develop, if he doesn't let him walk in June.
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Just a question. Why are you so certain he will get better coaching in Boston?
 
Also I remember somebody on this board ripping me when I said the assumption the kid was a better player than Doc was premature.
 
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Just a question. Why are you so certain he will get better coaching in Boston?
 
Also I remember somebody on this board ripping me when I said the assumption the kid was a better player than Doc was premature.
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The Boston Celtics, Memphis Grizzlies and New Orleans Pelicans have agreed on a three-team, five-player trade that sends Jeff Green to the Grizzlies, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
 
The trade will send the Grizzlies' Tayshaun Prince, New Orleans' Austin Rivers and a future Memphis first-round pick to the Celtics, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
 
Memphis will send forward Quincy Pondexter and a 2015 second-round pick to the Pelicans and the Pelicans will move guard Russ Smith to the Grizzlies, sources said. The Grizzlies held Prince and Pondexter out of Sunday's game against the Phoenix Suns.
 
The teams will have a trade call with the league on Monday to make the deal official, sources said.
 
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