Green to the Grizz
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Should look good in 2019 when it's most likely to kick in. Keeps the pick train rolling after Brooklyn's obligations are finally expired.
I think Memphis owes a pick to another team which will likely be conveyed in 2017. That means with Stepien rule, C's can't get their pick before 2019.SeanBerry said:
Trade is official.
NBA.com @NBAcom 2h2 hours ago
The trade is done: Jeff Green is headed to the @memgrizz in a 3-team deal
NBA.com @NBAcom 2h2 hours ago
The trade is done: Jeff Green is headed to the @memgrizz in a 3-team deal
Eddie Jurak said:
Ah. I didn't know about the 2017 pick.
Memphis better come away with something good because they could be in rough shape in a few years.
SeanBerry said:
The Memphis pick owned by Denver has that funky 1-5/15-30 protection on it this season and next, then just 1-5 in 2017. If Gasol signs elsewhere they could certainly miss the playoffs next season and lose that pick a year earlier than expected.
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo 2m2 minutes ago
Celtics GM Danny Ainge and new forward Tayshaun Prince will have a conversation before its determined if the vet is bought out, source said.
Celtics GM Danny Ainge and new forward Tayshaun Prince will have a conversation before its determined if the vet is bought out, source said.
So we trade an above-average NBA player, our best talent (if he applied hhimself) for a draft pick in 4 1/2 years that may or may not amount to anything?
I don't get it. And would probably rather have Russ Smith than Austin. What are we getting from LAC?
I don't get it. And would probably rather have Russ Smith than Austin. What are we getting from LAC?
Love this news. Let the James Young era commence.
Green was toast here and everybody knew it. Doesn't even matter what we get back. The salary flexibility, picks and playing time for Young are way more beneficial than Green disappearing every 4th qtr.
Green was toast here and everybody knew it. Doesn't even matter what we get back. The salary flexibility, picks and playing time for Young are way more beneficial than Green disappearing every 4th qtr.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
A player who is gone next year. Same as Rondo. Same as Wright. As far as I'm aware, players who aren't on the roster have a 0% chance of amounting to anything.
He's 28, would you want to sign him to a significant 4-5 year deal to find out if he's finally ready to "apply himself"? Green has been the same exact player since the day he first stepped on an NBA court.
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 1h1 hour ago
One source close to the process says the Clippers are "very confident" they will strike a deal to land Austin Rivers this week
One source close to the process says the Clippers are "very confident" they will strike a deal to land Austin Rivers this week
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Jeff Green was traded: 1) for the luxury of not paying him 9M next year, 2) to offset not getting anything for him when he becomes an FA, and 3) a draft pick. Prince was simply there for salary match.
Assuming they deal Nelson, the C's are down to 34M against a projected 67-70M cap next season. This is enough room for 2 max players, and that's before all the TPEs.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
I'd challenge your assertion that Jeff Green is an above-average NBA player. Green had a sub-15 PER last year and this year, and he's not exactly known for doing the sorts of things (tough D, setting screens, etc.) that don't show up in the box score.
By pretty much any measure, Jared Sullinger has been the C's best player this season. Since the Rondo trade, I don't think it's even debatable.
It's a first and a second for half a year of performance that is probably a negative impact on our goals of developing young guys and losing games.Dan to Theo to Ben said:
From the Memphis perspective, I think there's two ways to look at this trade:
1. Green is a poor man's Antoine Walker. This trade is subtraction by addition and they will regret it, even if the pick going to Boston doesn't amount to anything.
2. Other than athletic big men who play defense, scorers who can create their own shot are the league's scarcest commodity, and the Grizz are in the unfortunate position of desperately needing one. Green doesn't clearly fit the bill, but he was the closest they could get without giving up a core piece like Conley, Gasol or Z-Bo. Given the huge impact that a scorer could make on this year's team, rolling the dice on Green was well worth giving up a pick that probably won't turn into a player materially better than Green.
Edit: I suppose there's a middle ground, where Green is an upgrade on Pondexter but isn't as impactful as some alternative target they could have acquired with the future #1 and Prince's expiring deal. Personally, if the best that can be said of Green is he's a little better than Pondexter, then I'd put this in category #1 -- the Grizz have great chemistry, and I wouldn't mess with that just to tinker around the edges.
1. Green is a poor man's Antoine Walker. This trade is subtraction by addition and they will regret it, even if the pick going to Boston doesn't amount to anything.
2. Other than athletic big men who play defense, scorers who can create their own shot are the league's scarcest commodity, and the Grizz are in the unfortunate position of desperately needing one. Green doesn't clearly fit the bill, but he was the closest they could get without giving up a core piece like Conley, Gasol or Z-Bo. Given the huge impact that a scorer could make on this year's team, rolling the dice on Green was well worth giving up a pick that probably won't turn into a player materially better than Green.
Edit: I suppose there's a middle ground, where Green is an upgrade on Pondexter but isn't as impactful as some alternative target they could have acquired with the future #1 and Prince's expiring deal. Personally, if the best that can be said of Green is he's a little better than Pondexter, then I'd put this in category #1 -- the Grizz have great chemistry, and I wouldn't mess with that just to tinker around the edges.
maufman said:
I think you overstate somewhat in terms of his value to Memphis. There's upside for Green - between Conley and Gasol, defenses are bound to be more distracted and thus more likely to leave Green to double or rotate. Less defensive attention plus his explosive first step make him a perfect Gamma dog, and help stretch the floor when they go small. It's not like Memphis 1) gave up an asset of real value to land him, or 2) had this type of player on their roster.
zenter said:
You said basically what I was trying to say in #2, but much more clearly. I think a contender would like to have a better third option than Green, but it's not like guys who can create their own shot grow on trees. Green doesn't need to turn into the guy people thought he'd be five years ago for this to be a great deal for Memphis.
He's not a star, but he's a pretty significant upgrade over Prince/Pondexter on both ends (particularly offense). His defense is a key to me in this deal, they needed a wing who could score some without degrading the defense that is the heart of a slowdown team like Memphis.maufman said:
It is January 13, more than 3 months until the playoffs begin. I think it is premature to write off the Cavs. And even if they don't win the title this year, they could easily win it next year. As for the Celtics, I'll be happy when they get one All-Star, never mind two or three.
Devizier said:
My money is on teams continuing to try and attract good players. Three of them, four of them. Five, even.
I have been wondering if, with cap room, younger players who will be in years 2-5 of their pro careers, and all of the draft assets, if the move will be to offer a restricted free agent at a huge number.
The NBA salary structure makes little sense to me, but, with the cap looking like it will increase, and the celtics losing most players who make any real money, couldn't they overpay for a guy like Kawhi and give him the max?
The NBA salary structure makes little sense to me, but, with the cap looking like it will increase, and the celtics losing most players who make any real money, couldn't they overpay for a guy like Kawhi and give him the max?
They can certainly try to max out a restricted guy like Kawhi or Jimmy Butler, and that would be a totally reasonable move to make, but the chances are very low that a team like the Bulls or Spurs - who would not have cap space to go out and get a suitable replacement but can go over the cap to keep their own guys - aren't going to just match those offers to their budding stars. The guys you can potentially get in restricted free agency seem to be guys like Isiaiah Thomas or Jeremy Lin - people significantly down the pecking order who get lost during the early feeding frenzy in July.Chainsaw318 said:
Chainsaw318 said:
Yes. I think this is the plan most of us presume is happening. Throw an offer sheet at Leonard or Draymond Green, and see what happens. Meanwhile, go after a guy like Marc Gasol (use those assets for an S&T?) and you could ideally end up with a starting lineup of Leonard, Gasol, Smart, Bradley, and Sully. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially in the East.
EDIT: This is the ideal dream scenario. More likely they get nothing.
Really impossible to do because the max salary, especially for guys coming off their rookie contract, is so low.Chainsaw318 said:
Gordon Hayward got the max as an RFA this summer and Utah quickly matched.
If you can't get Gordon Hayward for a max offer, no shot at getting a Kawhi level player for the same.
With the cap going way up in the not too distant future, a max offer for a non-max player may not be the anchor that it has been. Danny may have a shot at one of the lesser guys who will get the max, and unlike in years past that may not be a bad thing.mcpickl said:
How do you get them though?Eddie Jurak said:
Teams have been matching max offers for non max players already. (Hayward, Batum, Eric Gordon)
I'd say those types of guys are even more likely to be matched now for the reason you just mentioned. Everyone knows the cap is about to explode. The team with matching rights will figure that in as well.
That really only works on mid-level free agents though. You can only significantly backload it like that if the average per year is pretty low. They were 3/25 deals so you're likely looking at role players, which is less useful for a rebuild, Anything much more than the 3/25 range and you can't backload it as much (3/25 is 8 and change a year, but the final year of those deals was almost $15M, not much wiggle room there to add money without coming up on a player's yearly max.).Grin&MartyBarret said:
No one's questioning that. The question is how to do it.Grin&MartyBarret said:
The Cavs' struggles this season make it less likely that the next big free agent decides to take two of his friends and sign with a team with nothing but cap room. Instead, he will look for teams that can offer max money and has a supporting cast already in place. The difference obviously has profound implications for how you construct a rebuilding team.
maufman said:
LeBron was the only max free agent the Cavs signed last offseason; he chose the Cavs, in part, because of the supporting cast they offered (Kyrie) and the assets they had in place (Wiggins, Bennett). What LeBron did in Cleveland has much more in common with the second bolded sentence than it does with the first. Further, the one time in the history of the NBA that a big free agent and two of his friends signed with a team but nothing but cap room, they won 2 championships and played in 4 NBA Finals.
