Greg Colbrunn will not return as hitting coach in 2015

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Scott Lauber via Twitter
 
 
Hitting coach Greg Colbrunn has "elected not to return to the position," according to #RedSox
 
Rotoworld opines:
 
 
It's not clear whether Colbrunn truly left on his own or was pushed out. Colbrunn missed six weeks after suffering a brain hemorrhage in June, so it's possible his health was a factor in him leaving. After leading baseball in runs scored in 2013, the Red Sox finished 18th this season.
 
Have to wonder if they'll again court outside help for this role or promote from within.
 

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I wonder if we could pry Chili Davis away from Oakland with a big fat paycheck.  According to the internet, he was Pawtucket's hitting coach in 2011.  From what I've heard, he's a fantastic hitting coach.  
 

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Whoever comes in will matter a lot less than the players put out on the field.  I blame the management more than the coaches for the offensive debacle last year.
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
 
It was the FO fault that none of the young players were able to make the adjustment and continue their mL success? So X, JBJ, WMB etc not fulfilling their potential is BC and company's fault how exactly?
 
Not to go down the Plympton route, but not having a better backup option for JBJ was definitely on the FO.  Also having no reliable competition for WMB was a mistake - it's not like he had set the world on fire in 2013.  Handing the keys to catcher to a black hole like Pierzynski was very clearly on the front office.
 

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jscola85 said:
 
Not to go down the Plympton route, but not having a better backup option for JBJ was definitely on the FO.  Also having no reliable competition for WMB was a mistake - it's not like he had set the world on fire in 2013.  Handing the keys to catcher to a black hole like Pierzynski was very clearly on the front office.
 
I'll add that it's also on the players themselves. The best coaching and scouting and whatnot in the world won't help if a player can't get their act together. There's plenty of blame to go around!
 
It's too bad, because Colbrunn did oversee a wildly awesome offensive overperformance in 2013. I can certainly understand going in a different direction, though. 
 

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alwyn96 said:
 
I'll add that it's also on the players themselves. The best coaching and scouting and whatnot in the world won't help if a player can't get their act together. There's plenty of blame to go around!
 
It's too bad, because Colbrunn did oversee a wildly awesome offensive overperformance in 2013. I can certainly understand going in a different direction, though. 
Of course.  That plus a rash of injuries.  Pedroia, Napoli, Victorino all getting hurt were big losses.
 

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Hee Sox Choi said:
I wonder if we could pry Chili Davis away from Oakland with a big fat paycheck.  According to the internet, he was Pawtucket's hitting coach in 2011.  From what I've heard, he's a fantastic hitting coach.  
I've always heard good things about Chili Davis too, but the A's hitting did go to hell in the second half. Hard to quantify the effect of a hitting coach when you see whole teams catch fire offensively for a while and then go in the dumper. Hitting coaches are hard to judge, period. I guess if an entire team has a big time down year offensively, you have to do something.
 

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More info on my he resigned from the cubs
 
 
CHICAGO -- Bill Mueller has resigned as hitting coach of the Chicago Cubs, but don't expect Manny Ramirez to be the one filling his shoes, a source told ESPNChicago.com.
A source close to the situation said the Cubs are already close to hiring a replacement for Mueller, whose resignation, a source said, came just more than a week after assistant hitting coach Mike Brumley was dismissed. 
Ramirez received positive reviews from his stint with Triple-A Iowa this season, but a source said Ramirez isn't under consideration for Mueller's job. However, the source said Ramirez could be in the mix for the assistant hitting coach position.
Cubs president Theo Epstein has said he's waiting on Ramirez to officially retire before commenting on any future he has as a coach. Ramirez, through his agent, turned down a request for an interview.
The Cubs, who led the majors in strikeouts and ranked 28th in on-base percentage this season, will be hiring their fourth hitting coach since 2012.
Mueller and Brumley were hired last winter after the Cubs fired most of their coaching staff.
Mueller won a batting title with the Boston Red Sox and had a career .373 on-base percentage before moving on to the Los Angeles Dodgers' front office. He was entrusted with overseeing the debuts of several top Cubs prospects this season.
The Cubs said Sept. 30 that all coaches, except for Brumley, would be invited back next season. Mueller, however, decided to move on, according to the source, as he liked the comfort zone he had developed with Brumley.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/11658610/bill-mueller-resigns-hitting-coach-chicago-cubs
 

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Anyone see this?
 
https://twitter.com/Deadspin/statuses/518159312162942976
 

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I would be slow to pin that offensive production on Mueller. Some kids who might still benefit form being in AAA and a few younger vets that might not be making the roster of other teams. Not saying he's the guy for Boston, but the Cubs roster would probably sink a few hitting instructors.
 

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some other options for our hitting coach from Rob Bradford 
 
 
Who is going to replace Greg Colbrunn?
Talking to folks throughout baseball about the Red Sox [1] vacant hitting coach job, three names keep coming up: Chili Davis, Bill Mueller and Dave Magadan. None of these men might be ending up with the Sox, but they are being referenced throughout the industry.
Davis’ name has gained the most steam of late, with the Oakland A’s hitting coach having worked in the same capacity with the Pawtucket Red Sox in 2011. While he is still under contract with the A’s, there was reportedly some frustration from both sides during Oakland’s offensive slide during the final two months of the season. (Note: Davis could also be drawing from Theo Epstein [2], who hired him out of the Dodgers’ organization to work with the PawSox.)
Mueller just recently resigned from his post as hitting coach with the Cubs after the team reassigned his hand-picked assistant hitting coach, Mike Brumley. Mueller’s connection with the Red Sox is obvious — having spent three solid seasons in Boston from 2003-05.
Like Davis, Magadan is still under contract, but with a new manager slated to come in for the Rangers, Texas has given the former Red Sox hitting coach permission to look elsewhere. While it is not known if the Red Sox have formerly asked for the right to talk to Magadan, he has already drawn interest from multiple teams around the majors. It is believed he would welcome a return to Boston, particularly his wife hails from New Hampshire.
We shouldn’t forget assistant hitting coach Victor Rodriguez, who really developed a solid rapport with Yoenis Cespedes over the final few months.
Colbrunn wanted to prioritize being close to his South Carolina home, as was evidenced even before his illness this season. The former Sox hitting coach turned down a chance for a contract extension following the 2013 world championship season.
If you’re wondering how the process works when teams are interested in interviewing coaches from other teams: The potential new team contacts the other team and if the coach’s current team grants permission, there is a written form that they sign and gets submitted to MLB. So there you have it.
Also, in case you forgot, the last time the Red Sox had a hitting coach opening, four other candidates (besides Colbrunn) interviewed – Rick Schu, Rodriguez, Craig Counsell, and Scott Fletcher.
Schu is currently the hitting coach for the Washington Nationals [3], Counsell worked on the Brewers television broadcasts in 2014, and Fletcher left the Braves [4] after this season, having served as the team’s assistant hitting coach.
 
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/10/08/exploring-some-red-sox-hitting-coach-scuttlebutt/print/
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
 
It was the FO fault that none of the young players were able to make the adjustment and continue their mL success? So X, JBJ, WMB etc not fulfilling their potential is BC and company's fault how exactly?
 
I think the FO deserves some of the blame, given that the organizational shift to fast track their prospects through the minors has not worked out. 
 
I think there's a lot to be said for erring to the side of caution. The more athletically mature a player is when he reaches the majors, the more he can contribute while cost-controlled.
 

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Hagios said:
 
I think the FO deserves some of the blame, given that the organizational shift to fast track their prospects through the minors has not worked out. 
 
I think there's a lot to be said for erring to the side of caution. The more athletically mature a player is when he reaches the majors, the more he can contribute while cost-controlled.
 
Who was fast-tracked? I suppose you could say Bogaerts, but I think nearly everyone thought he was ready. Bradley was 24 and spent all of 2013 in AAA. Vazquez has spent almost a full year at every level. Betts was probably fast-tracked, but that seems like it actually worked out pretty well, at least this year. 
 
I agree with you about waiting until guys can really contribute their best years, but I'm not sure there's a shift in organizational philosophy. I think they generally take it on a case by case basis. 
 

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YTF said:
I would be slow to pin that offensive production on Mueller. Some kids who might still benefit form being in AAA and a few younger vets that might not be making the roster of other teams. Not saying he's the guy for Boston, but the Cubs roster would probably sink a few hitting instructors.
 
I don't know much about most of the Cubs offense, but Rizzo took massive strides forward this year.
 
Going from below expectations overall with a massive platoon split in 2013 OPS vs RH .796, vs LH .625
 
to a a very balanced stud hitter in 2014 OPS vs RH .907, vs LH .928
 
Very small sample of just one hitter improving greatly, but worth noting.
 
That being said, if they can get Long I would be ecstatic. He has worked similar magic on many more occasions.
 

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So, how important is the Major League Hitting Coach compared to his minor league counterparts?
 
Logic seems to dictate that tutoring a hitter while he's young and developing is a hell of a lot more important than the occasional major league, "I looked at the videotape and you used to do this so why don't you try that again..." effort.
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
So, how important is the Major League Hitting Coach compared to his minor league counterparts?
 
Logic seems to dictate that tutoring a hitter while he's young and developing is a hell of a lot more important than the occasional major league, "I looked at the videotape and you used to do this so why don't you try that again..." effort.
 
Well, theoretically it's easier to figure out what less advanced guys are doing wrong and correct it, similar to the way I can easily figure out what little leaguers are doing wrong and help them to fix it. It doesn't take as much expertise, in a sense. Like teaching piano to a high school student v. a Julliard student. Also, the major league team is what's bringing in the big bucks. Seems like you'd want your best people working at the highest level helping the guys you're paying millions of dollars to perform.
 
I see what you're saying, though. If you can get a coach who turns your young guys into stars, then that guy is worth his weight in gold. It doesn't seem like such a guy exists though, from what I can tell. Coaching is weird. Seems like it's basically impossible for an outsider to tell if a coach is good or not, other than by going with what the players say. It seems like the best you can hope for is a guy who knows a lot about baseball, is a good with people and a good communicator, loves working with young players, and is generous with his time. And you just hope some magic happens between him and the players somewhere that helps them flip the switch that gets them to the next level. 
 

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The Red Sox apparently will pick their hitting coach from a group of five due to be interviewed: ex-Red Sox All-Star Rich Gedman, Red Sox hitting coordinator Tim Hyers, Angels hitting coordinator Paul Sorrento, ex-Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long and former batting title winner Bill Mueller, the ex-Cubs hitting coach.
The Red Sox may have some interest in Chili Davis, the well-regarded A's hitting coach who's on the Yankees' radar, but at the moment appear to be discouraged by a contract believed to go until Nov. 1. It's possible he could get back into the mix if none of the five currently in the running pans out
 
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24753371/red-sox-have-five-hitting-coach-candidates-mueller-gedman-on-list
 
Heyman says there are 5 candidates to replace Colbrunn.  I would like Kevin Long.
 

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