Half the PI calls that Gronk would get now, Rice would have fought through since they were not called as much when Rice played.
Gronk: one-game suspension
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1) IMO, it does deserve a fine. Suspension? Really?!?! Compared to other dirty plays that did not incur a suspension, I think it would be an unfair breaking of precedent.
2) I was disappointed when I saw it happen. C'mon Gronk: you're better than that.
3) Then again, I get the frustration. Doesn't make a bulls!t late hit okay, but more understandable why he did it.
2) I was disappointed when I saw it happen. C'mon Gronk: you're better than that.
3) Then again, I get the frustration. Doesn't make a bulls!t late hit okay, but more understandable why he did it.
White's in concussion protocol due to that dirty hit by Gronk. You don't think that needs a suspension or a 1 game suspension that's reduced to a fine?
I can't believe I have to defend on the NFL on this. There's a a 851 post thread on this forum based on declining viewership, which many point to concussions in and a 716 post thread on concussions, yet Gronk concussing a guy on a dirty play doesn't deserve some time off?
I feel dirty even trying to defend the NFL but that play was a disgrace.
How many Pi calls have been made for Gronk? He’s held every play and the only calls made seem to be against him.. that OPI today was beyond ridiculous.
Agreed. Doesn't give him the right to drive his shoulder into the guys head when he's lying on the ground out of bounds.
I think the officiating of Gronk is awful overall. He's screwed on both sides of it.
AJ green threw a punch.. no suspension. Ray Rice beat his wife.. 2 games. Based on precedent what Gronk did isn’t close to a suspension.. it’s a late hit/unnecessary roughness.
Throwing a punch is not nearly as bad as driving your shoulder / forearm into a guy's head who is lying on the ground. Ray Rice is a lifetime ago and should have got 6 games. Do you really think a 1 game suspension is unprecedented?
It's not a simple late hit. He saw the guy on the ground and decided to do some damage. There was 0% need for this and it was completely out of character.
I really think he gets a game and is reduced to a fine based upon being it is his initial infraction, which I'd be good with.
How exactly do you think this will be addressed? I agree with your premise, but there is almost nothing the Pats can do to address this, especially during the season. The word is out amongst the refs that Gronk likes to push off at the top of his routes, so they are watching for it. And since it keeps happening, they will keep calling it.
The missed call on the DPI was quite egregious, but there is nothing that Pats can do other than to bring it up to the head official at the league office. And nothing will come of it.
And after seeing that video, I wouldn't be surprised that if Gronk does not get a league suspension, BB will bench him next week, for at least the first half.
AJ Green was kicked out of the game early in 1st Q and the NFL used that as part of the reasoning for not suspending him further. Neither player was hurt in the Green//Ramsey altercation either.
The concussion makes me nervous for the Pitt game. Really fucking stupid move by Gronk - if the league goes out to make a point and he misses Pitt, it could be a Superbowl-altering move. Still think it’s one game, but he really lost his mind. That was assault, really. I don’t know how any league that claims to value player safety doesn’t suspend him.
I think he deserves a suspension. You should not be allowed to take a head shot on a guy who is lying defenseless on the ground.
The league sucks but what would we all say if Suh does that to Brady next Monday night?
The league sucks but what would we all say if Suh does that to Brady next Monday night?
He'll get a suspension, and he deserves it. The fact the hit has received a lot of media buzz will not help him.
That was disgusting. He dropped all his weight onto an unsuspecting players head and neck because he was cranky about bad calls in a game. He should be suspended at least a game. It was straight thuggish.
I understand and don't at all disparage your view, but the vast, vast majority of hits like the one in question don't lead to an injury.
I'm of the opinion that a clearly dangerous act should be punished equally whether it did or didn't do harm. Likewise, I think a usually-non dangerous act shouldn't be punished more or less based on whether or not it did harm. I think it was a cheap and dirty (and, also importantly, against the rules) act that he should be punished for. That it (looks like it) caused a concussion shouldn't affect the punishment, IMO.
Sorry if I'm over-explaining, but take Suh stomping his 307-lb self with a cleat on a prostrate player. It shouldn't matter if it didn't injure someone - it was clearly an intention to injure. Roughing after the whistle in a manner that happens legally (when done before the whistle) on virtually every NFL play isn't the same.
I voted Yes....it was a dirty hit and the league seems to love to make examples out of the Patriots. Those two factors definitely tend to point toward a one game suspension.
A defenseless player lying prone on the ground — face down.
A player purposely running and jamming his shoulder into the back of his head, after the whistle, giving him a concussion.
As Belichick said, it was “bullshit”. It deserves a 1 game suspension.
A player purposely running and jamming his shoulder into the back of his head, after the whistle, giving him a concussion.
As Belichick said, it was “bullshit”. It deserves a 1 game suspension.
I agree that Gronk’s hit was no worse, but the reality is that Alonso could at least make an argument that he was making a normal play and didn’t see Flacco giving himself up. (I disagree, but the fact is that he did make that argument and the NFL bought it.)
Gronk has no mitigating argument. I’ll be shocked if he’s not suspended. And he absolutely deserves it.
Agree with dc - trying to hurt Gronk is a real possibility. Hope we beat Pitt and can then afford to limit Gronk next game against the Bills
Yeah, he’ll get at least a 1-game suspension. (When it comes to the Pats and NFL punishment, always bet the over.)
But I like intensity of our top players in game against a clearly inferior opponent. Brady lays into Josh, Gronk goes momentarily insane... they take nothing for granted.
But I like intensity of our top players in game against a clearly inferior opponent. Brady lays into Josh, Gronk goes momentarily insane... they take nothing for granted.
And with my vote that Gronk will get a one game suspension, I would like to vote that none of those refs should be allowed anywhere near a playoff game. They were awful in the calling of OPI and letting DPI slide.
He needs to be genuinely and publicly contrite. Again. Then he needs to call the guy personally and apologize. If suspended, he needs to accept it without complaint. If he isn’t, BB needs to sit his ass for a half.
Then he is square and probably clear of this — provided the guy is not seriously hurt.
Let me add to that. Throwing a punch at a guy wearing a helmet is not nearly as bad...
Gronk might have injured the guy's neck/spine on that hit today.
'I disagree with you all, so it's fake news!'
As soon as I saw it I thought 'he should be ejected'.
They should be ejecting players on an increasingly lower bar as things go forward.
This is true of what happens every football play. A punch is still a punch and is stupid, but IMO should be treated differently or the same. AJ should've been suspended..but since he wasn't I'm not sure how Gronk is.
I think the main difference between the Green play and this one is really just the level of success that the aggressor had in inflicting harm. Choke-slamming a guy and hitting a guy late on the ground are pretty close in the grand scheme of things. Gronk is bigger and stronger and his cheap shot did more damage, which may be a bit arbitrary but is also just kind of the way it is.
I voted no. It was dirty and unnecessary, but the league just doesn't penalize guys for that kind of stuff. The fact that the guy is in the concussion protocol shouldn't matter.
I'd be on board with blatant late hits being suspensions but that's not been how they've handled them.
I'd be on board with blatant late hits being suspensions but that's not been how they've handled them.
Oh, and you can book 3.5 out of the 4 hours of Felger and Mazz tomorrow to the two of them all but calling for Gronk to be summarily executed for this, baiting Pats fans into callling them and defending Gronk, which of course they will do.
Absolutely, and Gronk knows it. Given it’s the Patriots It could be more than one, but given Gronk’s track record hopefully only one. Imagine if that was Vontaze
On bright side, NBC just showed Marcus Peters throwing the flag into the stands but did not show the Gronk hit.
But maybe they are saving it for a 15-minute segment with Saint Dungy.
If my twitter feed is any indication, the rest of the sports world agrees with them.
He absolutely should be suspended for a game.
If he’s pissed about the way he’s being flagged and not getting his own calls, and he doesn’t care about getting hit in the purse, he should put the league on blast after the game in the media. Call them out. Make it a talking point on all the sports radio shows. Live with the fine.
Instead, he concussed a rookie half his size who was just trying to play competitive ball. While the kid was on the ground and not even looking!
Belichick is 100% right - it was a bullshit play and Gronk completely deserves what’s coming to him.
Given the way he was “talked to” last week about his celebration with Cooks, combined with what he did today, he better be careful not to get into “Welker” territory with BB.
If he’s pissed about the way he’s being flagged and not getting his own calls, and he doesn’t care about getting hit in the purse, he should put the league on blast after the game in the media. Call them out. Make it a talking point on all the sports radio shows. Live with the fine.
Instead, he concussed a rookie half his size who was just trying to play competitive ball. While the kid was on the ground and not even looking!
Belichick is 100% right - it was a bullshit play and Gronk completely deserves what’s coming to him.
Given the way he was “talked to” last week about his celebration with Cooks, combined with what he did today, he better be careful not to get into “Welker” territory with BB.
Just like the twitter world was wanting the Red Sox head during the BAL series.... and it turned out to not be much
I think the consistency of the NFL suspension is really off, so I want to just put precedent aside because its too complicated anyways.
I think Gronk deserves a game. It was a late hit, to the head, after the play was clearly over. That is NOT something you want in the league at all, period. Giving someone a game for doing it will make it a lot less likely to happen. I don't wany any Pats player to do it, and I don't want it done to any Pats player.
I think Gronk deserves a game. It was a late hit, to the head, after the play was clearly over. That is NOT something you want in the league at all, period. Giving someone a game for doing it will make it a lot less likely to happen. I don't wany any Pats player to do it, and I don't want it done to any Pats player.
What's the standard for this kind of thing? I feel like this type of after-the-whistle crap happens a lot without suspensions, but I may be very wrong and would be happy to be corrected.
I think it's great that a lot of posters here feel that he deserves a suspension, no matter the answer to my above question. One of the many things that I love about the Patriots, that also certainly makes them a great team, is that they hold themselves/each other to a higher standard of football-ism that any other team. As fans of said team, I dig that we want our own superstar suspended for something that -- IMO -- might not register a suspension if it'd been another team's player.
I just think that, based on precedent, a fine and no suspension is the correct move.
I think it's great that a lot of posters here feel that he deserves a suspension, no matter the answer to my above question. One of the many things that I love about the Patriots, that also certainly makes them a great team, is that they hold themselves/each other to a higher standard of football-ism that any other team. As fans of said team, I dig that we want our own superstar suspended for something that -- IMO -- might not register a suspension if it'd been another team's player.
I just think that, based on precedent, a fine and no suspension is the correct move.
Though I will add that some of the above posters make good points. Just because it's the norm doesn't make it okay.
This is how I saw it as well.
On a scale of 1 to 5 Burficts, I give it a 2. Of course once Roger's office is involved anything can happen.
Important distinction which I missed. I think Gronk will get a game at least on second thought, and I agree it would be deserved for what looked to be a gratuitous and violent late hit.
Hope Tre'Davious White is OK, and like some others am a bit worried about the rematch.
I originally thought he wouldn't get suspended given the past history for similar trangressions in the league. I now think he will get suspended based on the national medias reaction to it. Everyone seems to be clamoring for a suspension. And now I think it will likely happen. I don't want to sound like a fan boy but everything the pats do is under a microscope given their success, delfategate and spygate.
My vote is he is suspended a game and it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Spinzone, atleast it keeps gronk healthy another week!
My vote is he is suspended a game and it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Spinzone, atleast it keeps gronk healthy another week!