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The only thing that is obvious to me about this game is taking the over at +55.  We all want blood but this feels like a trap game to me.  Hope I am way, way wrong.
 

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This does look like a trap game, and we may be taking the Colts lightly, but BB/Pats usually don't make rookie mistakes.
 
Agree on the over.
I dunno, I have a hard time believing the team isn't motivated for this one.
 

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I think the Pats/BB/Brady are very motivated for this game, so they will not take the Colts lightly (even though many fans do ie, the rookie mistake).  I don't think BB will let the Pats believe the media bullshit that all they have to do is show-up to win by 40.
 

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I dunno, I have a hard time believing the team isn't motivated for this one.
Oh I think the Patriots are extremely motivated and its obvious to me why many folks expect a blow-out with team scoring as much as possible.  That said - and I know the Colts defense is amongst the worst in the league - I see Indianapolis as extremely motivated too.  A 35-31 game wouldn't shock me, especially with Luck back. 
 

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I think the deflategate noise has caused people to forget that the Patriots disliked Indy even before.

Threw him out of the club, much?
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Oh I think the Patriots are extremely motivated and its obvious to me why many folks expect a blow-out with team scoring as much as possible.  That said - and I know the Colts defense is amongst the worst in the league - I see Indianapolis as extremely motivated too.  A 35-31 game wouldn't shock me, especially with Luck back.
I think the jury is still out on Pagano as a motivator.

Listening to a cancer survivor refer to a guy with the flu as being literally on his death bed was... weird.
 

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I think the jury is still out on Pagano as a motivator.

Listening to a cancer survivor refer to a guy with the flu as being literally on his death bed was... weird.
 
Here nor there really, but I think Pagano is completely checked out with the organization as a whole and I don't expect him to resign. Him turning down a extra year on his deal earlier this year I took as him being fed up with the clown show and willing to take his chances for a vacancy elsewhere. 
 

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Oh, that's friggin awesome. Watching the game, my buddy asked "which was worse, the butt fumble or that play". I replied that you couldn't compare the two since this one was seemingly at least partially intentional, but I'm open for debate. 
 

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The Butt Fumble is the Three Stooges. The Fake Fake punt is more like Marx Brothers. Slightly more cerebral and a bit more dancing around.
 

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They should change the rule to make fake punts illegal so teams like the Colts don't get confused. Totally unfair and degrades the integrity of the game.
 

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I think it's great that the Colts are waking up today wondering whether they got beat or they beat themselves and are concluding both are true.
 

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Can someone link the place in the game thread where they try that play?
 
 
 
I've seen a bit of narrative on twitter today saying the Colts lost because of the fake punt. While it certainly seemed to be the straw that broke their back, the Colts were losing at that point, and it took a gift pick 6 to have them not down 13+.
 
Looking forward to see what NE can do now that this game is behind them.
 

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I've seen a bit of narrative on twitter today saying the Colts lost because of the fake punt. While it certainly seemed to be the straw that broke their back, the Colts were losing at that point, and it took a gift pick 6 to have them not down 13+..
ESPN is part of this as well -- SportsCenter lead-ins this morning were about the Colts giving the game away.

Fine by me. I hope the eventual 9-7 AFC South champion Colts get a shot at a rematch in Foxboro in January.
 

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9-7? I'm not even sure they'll get there.
 
Next 4 are Saints, Panthers, Broncos, Falcons and then 2 weeks later Pitt.
 
It's pretty soft outside of that though. I can see them possibly going 8-8, though 9-7 is more likely. They're only one game up in the division at the moment which is scary.
 

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Colts board is amusing.
 
Some "if that's the best the AFC has..." stuff. Some "Kraft bought that onside kick recovery call" as well. Even a few "who have the Pats beaten?" posts.
 
Yeah, they beat you dude. They also beat the Jags, who you beat by 3, by 34 points and they beat the Bills, who also beat you.
 

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Colts board is amusing.
 
Some "if that's the best the AFC has..." stuff. Some "Kraft bought that onside kick recovery call" as well. Even a few "who have the Pats beaten?" posts.
 
Yeah, they beat you dude. They also beat the Jags, who you beat by 3, by 34 points and they beat the Bills, who also beat you.
 
The Pats played their worst game of the season and would've won by 13 on the road if not for a garbage time TD. I'd pay a reasonable amount of money to guarantee the Colts are one of the teams the Pats face in the playoffs. That fanbase is fucking delusional, they are an okay team in a horrendous division, not much more.
 

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Colts fans should be upset this morning.  Their coaching staff had it right, that was basically their Super Bowl.  They're three losses behind everyone and don't have tie break with the Pats.  They aren't winning two games in a row on the road against Denver, the Bengals, and New England (or the Jets if things go really wrong in NE).  They're going to have a hard time beating a healthy Steeler team at home and they already lost to one likely six seed at home.  They scrapped enough to win their dogshit division, but they're going to have to settle for an AFC playoff participant or, maybe, AFC semi-finalist participant banner again this year as they waste another year of one of the NFL's most valuable commodities,  Andrew Luck's rookie contract.  Then the fun should begin as they have to pay Luck and, God willing, have to try and build a team with the group that thought Phil Dorsett and his 3 targets a game were where a team that got run over regularly should spend their first round draft capital. 
 
Lol again at the NFL Network segment right before the Do Your Job show where all the analysts picked the Colts to win the whole thing. 
 

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@SBNation: Chuck Pagano is taking fan-submitted questions on Twitter and everything is [emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91]. http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/10/19/9566951/chuck-pagano-show-question-twitter-colts-fake-punt-oh-no
Compare and contrast:
 
Pagano's special team practiced that play all week and its a shit-show.
 
The Pats special team presumably practice the Collins double-jump/blocked XP that worked.
 
btw do we assume Ghost plays the part of AV in the practice of that play?
 

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Cross-posting from the media forum, but Barnwell hit on a lot of good points today. While the discussion has been mostly about the fake punt, and that the Colts should be encouraged since they only lost by 7 despite giving away the 7 points, he seems to realize that this was closer to a blowout than the score indicated, and that the Colts were basically admitting with their gameplan that they can't straight up beat the Pats
 
The story is already slowly becoming that the fake punt was the turning point that cost the Colts the game, but I doubt that, given that the Colts were already down six points late in the third quarter and about to punt the ball. They were already extremely unlikely to win the game; their win expectancy before the fourth-down play was 21.7 percent.3 Afterward, it was 15.0 percent.
 
The Colts came in as 8.5-point underdogs, the largest spread they’ve faced at home since Luck arrived in 2012, and Pagano coached like somebody who knew that his team wasn’t going to win a straight-up fight. The Colts needed to pull a few tricks out of their sleeves to win, and Pagano pursued David Strategies throughout the game to try to outfox the heavily favored Patriots.
 


The worrying thing if you’re a Colts fan, I think, is that this is the sort of game where the breaks went the Colts’ way and they still lost. If you were looking back at those four brutal losses to piece together a script of how the Colts could beat the Patriots, this is the sort of game you would have imagined. Indy scored on all three of its trips to the red zone and didn’t turn the ball over. It actually won the turnover battle and picked up a defensive touchdown, with Mike Adams grabbing the ball off Julian Edelman’s bobble and returning it for a pick-six. The Colts held Rob Gronkowski to just 50 yards and weren’t beaten to pieces by the Patriots running game, which ran for a still-impressive 116 yards on 25 carries.
 

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Peter King picks up on the same theme as Barnwell. It must be close to Halloween or the world may be ending
 


It wasn’t that close.
(talking about the final score vs. the actual game)
 


The decision by coach Chuck Pagano to install the play and to run it says to me that the Colts think they have only a ghost of a chance to win the game playing it straight. Maybe there’s good reason for that. After the Colts led 21-20 at the half, Indy opened the second half with these six possessions: punt, punt, fake-punt debacle, punt, punt, turnover on downs. The only way we’ve got a chance is to draw up lottery-ticket plays. Is that what the Colts think?
 


The Patriots had to walk out of Lucas Oil Stadium early this morning thinking: Not bad. We put up 34 points on a team with a better defense than we’ve seen in Indy in years, we didn’t even get Rob Gronkowski involved in the first half, we punted five times, we handed them seven points on an interception that bounced out of Julian Edelman’s hands and into Mike Adams’, and we couldn’t hear ourselves think for three quarters because the place sounded like Seattle. Put those things together, and a seven-point win sounds fine.
 

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DrewDawg said:
Can someone link the place in the game thread where they try that play?
 
 
 
I've seen a bit of narrative on twitter today saying the Colts lost because of the fake punt. While it certainly seemed to be the straw that broke their back, the Colts were losing at that point, and it took a gift pick 6 to have them not down 13+.
 
Looking forward to see what NE can do now that this game is behind them.
And TY Hilton's dropped TD in the end zone being called incorrectly to not be down 7 more points.
 

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The AFC comment is hilarious given they're 3-3 against the AFC and haven't really yet been competitive in an out of division game.  Not like they whooped up on the South either.
 

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I mean, without the gift pick-6, the Pats, based on how they played in first half (no punts) likely get at least 3 on the drive. If Chandler isn't called for OPI, that's a TD and not a FG. 34-27 could have been 41-20 very easily.
 
But yeah, you're fine Colts fans.
 

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DrewDawg said:
I mean, without the gift pick-6, the Pats, based on how they played in first half (no punts) likely get at least 3 on the drive. If Chandler isn't called for OPI, that's a TD and not a FG. 34-27 could have been 41-20 very easily.
 
But yeah, you're fine Colts fans.
How about the Colts touchdown pass where the ball was 100% laying the ground and no official (apparently) saw it?
 

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I'd guess it is a word filter that replaces a word (probably several) with an asterisk.  'Idiot' fits in nicely.  Plus, its a word that only a big fat meanie face would use and so has no place on their message board.
 

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How about the Colts touchdown pass where the ball was 100% laying the ground and no official (apparently) saw it?
 
On the short Hilton TD? I thought it was his elbow on the ground, not the ball?
 

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On the short Hilton TD? I thought it was his elbow on the ground, not the ball?
Are you going by the still frame pic out there? Because there was an animated GIF that 100% looked like the ball coming loose.
 

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Are you going by the still frame pic out there? Because there was an animated GIF that 100% looked like the ball coming loose.
 
I'm going by the video someone posted and then there was a comment that what everyone thought was the ball was the guy's left elbow while the ball was in his right arm.
 
If I'm wrong, show me, because I'd love to get righteously indignant over it. 
 

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I'm going by the video someone posted and then there was a comment that what everyone thought was the ball was the guy's left elbow while the ball was in his right arm.
 
If I'm wrong, show me, because I'd love to get righteously indignant over it. 
Okay, I didn't see that conversation. I only saw the link to an article with the still frame saying it appears to be an elbow. If you saw the video too, then apparently there are differing opinions and it wasn't as cut and dried as I thought.

I'll have to seek out the video again when I get home becaus the original links have been taken down.

Edit: Not sure what your last paragraph was about but I'll assume it wasn't directed at me.