It Is What It Is: Sh*t BB Says

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Inspired by the BB magazine (link here: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/79286-nfl-videogif-thread/?p=4969981) and the contributions from both BB himself (real) and SoSH members (not real).
 
As I mentioned in the Video/GIF thread, I'll volunteer to make a SoSH version of the next BB Magazine cover when we have enough contributions. 
 
To start us off:
 

Super Nomario said:
Look, we ran the headlines we felt like we needed to run. There was a lot of good competition, and ultimately, we ran the headlines that we felt gave us the best chance to win.
 

Dogman2 said:
I can't talk about headlines from other magazines.  I can only talk about this magazine. Some of the headlines were able to go, some were not.  I can't give you a percentage.  They were inactive this week.
 
 

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Excerpts from BB's PC after the Bucs game:
 
Q: How close was
Rob Gronkowski to playing yesterday?

BB: I don’t know. He was inactive.

Q: Did he have a shot to play?

BB: He was inactive.

Q: Going into the day, was there a chance he’d play?

BB: He was inactive for the game.

Q: What about Danny Amendola?

BB: He was inactive too.

Q: I know they were inactive.

BB: They were inactive so they didn’t play.

Q: I think you have an idea how close they were.

BB: Well, they weren’t able to play. What do you want, percentage points? They couldn’t play.

Q: Going into the day, did you know they couldn’t play?

BB: They were inactive.

Q: That doesn’t answer my question.

BB: They were inactive, it’s as simple as that.
 
 
 
http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Bill-Belichick-Press-Conference-Transcript/0bf19b8d-e4c9-4216-81ca-9c88f0cb2e44
 
Just outstanding.
 

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Well we've got a big challenge in Sports Illustrated this week.  They write articles well.  Write headlines well.  Take pictures well.  Strong cover.  Our hands will be full this week.
 

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This is the best opponent we'll face all year. (repeat in every issue, regardless of opponent)
 
________ is one of the most talented players at his position. (repeat for every player in the NFL)
 
This magazine has to work hard in all three phases: words, pictures, flyswatting.
 
No comment. I have nothing to say about that. We've already covered that. I've said all I'm going to say about that.
 

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i know this topic started as a different type of BB quote but when he gets a question he likes he's a goddamn geyser of goodness:
 
Q: What are the differences between playing slot corner and playing on the outside? 

BB: I think when you play inside, you’re really playing to a degree, a linebacker or a safety position. Even in man-to-man coverage, it’s different because the receiver has more options and the [slot] corner, if there is help, is closer to help than the [outside] corner is, if there’s some kind of inside help. If there’s no help, then the inside corner has more space to defend, across the ball or back outside as well as vertically compared to a corner who is more isolated in the area he has to defend. Once you get into combination of zone coverages, then that player’s responsibility is either that of a safety or linebacker depending on the coverage and what exactly you’re playing. That brings in a whole different awareness and conceptually playing as a linebacker or a safety as opposed to playing as a corner, if that makes any sense. All positions are difficult but I think it’s a difficult position to play because of the amount of things that happen and how fast they happen: tight ends and backs coming in or outside receivers coming into your zone or things like that. Whereas, as a corner you’re defending more space but there are less moving parts out there. There’s less guys that can get into your area. It’s usually just one or maybe two guys, whereas when you’re inside in the slot, there could be four guys easily that could get in there and once they get into tight splits and things like that, trying to sort all that out, I’d just say it’s a different game. It’s not playing safety but it’s not playing corner. It’s a little bit of a hybrid spot. There’s certainly a lot of awareness, a lot of things that those players have to see that are unique. It’s not a linebacker, it’s not a corner, it’s a nickel position. 

Q: Is a guy that plays both well an exception or should guys at this level be expected to play both well? 

BB: No, I think it’s like anything else. Some guys you can move them from the left side to the right side, from inside to outside, from ‘X’ to ‘Z’ and you wouldn’t even know it, you couldn’t even remember where they are. Other guys, you move them from left corner to right corner and it’s like teaching them a different language. It’s like English and Chinese. Or from right outside linebacker to left outside linebacker or left tackle to right tackle or left guard to right guard. I’ve seen players that you try to move them and it’s just, they’re not comfortable doing it, they don’t perform well and then you put them in that spot. Then there are other guys that you can move them around, inside to outside linebacker or left end to right end or ‘X’ to ‘Z’ and it’s seamless, apparently, it seems seamless. I’m sure it’s not to them but that’s the impression that you get. I think each player is different, each situation is different. I don’t know that you ever really know the answer to that until you actually work with the player in your system and put him through that situation and see how he responds to it. I’ve coached a lot of players and I wouldn’t want to sit here and say, ‘Well, this is the way it is or isn’t.’ I’ve had them on the punt team: you move a guy from one side of the center to the other side of the center, it’s the same protection, everything is the same but it’s not the same. Then the next guy you move and you can’t even remember which side he was on because they both look the same. 
 

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"Well, I thought there was some good effort out on the thread today, glad to come out with a win. There are certainly areas we can improve on, a lot of room for improvement. A number of things we can do better. We'll look at the tape and work on those things in practice, just try to get better every day. Like I said, glad to see the effort, but we'll take what we can from today, continue to work harder, and try to improve."

(SSF - maybe file under How to Make a Win Sound Like a Loss)
 

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"Was it good to establish the run in the first half to help with the pass in the second?"
 
BB: "Well, it's good to move the ball and score points."
 

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Bill really doesn't know Vince's status.
 
 
Q: What is the impact of losing Vince Wilfork going to have on you guys?
 
BB: I don’t really have a lot of new information on that. We’ll just have to see how things turn out here. But he’s an outstanding player, we all know that. He gives us great leadership and he’s a strong contributor on and off the field and in the locker room and everything else. We’ll just have to see how things come together for him and also what, obviously if he’s not there, it will mean everybody having to pull a little bit more weight on their end.
 
Q: As far as you know now, does Vince Wilfork have a torn Achilles?
 
BB: I really don’t have a lot of information here. Like I said, we got back late last night. I know they’re going to look at him and do some tests this morning and that’s really about all I know. I haven’t heard any more about that. I’m not sure exactly what the status of that is. That’s pretty common after every game. We get back here late off the road and then guys come in and they, whatever the injury is, they either get it treated or sometimes get it looked at in a little more detail with a test or whatever, whatever the case might be, whatever our medical department decides they need and then we go from there.
 
Q: Do you expect him to miss most or all of the season from what you know?
 
BB: I really don’t know much right now. Really, I don’t know much. I haven’t had a chance to meet with our medical people and I don’t even know what they’ve done yet this morning. I’m just trying to get caught up on what I need to do and then it will all come together here at some point during the day.
 
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JerBear said:
Bill really doesn't know Vince's status.
 
 
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In that case, it is a reporter (or series of reporters) being dumb.  BB gives an honest, and in-depth answer.  It's the reporter's (reporters') issue in not believing him.  That's a far cry from the Buc's PC:
 
Q: How close was
Rob Gronkowski to playing yesterday?

BB: I don’t know. He was inactive.

Q: Did he have a shot to play?

BB: He was inactive.

Q: Going into the day, was there a chance he’d play?

BB: He was inactive for the game.

Q: What about Danny Amendola?

BB: He was inactive too.

Q: I know they were inactive.

BB: They were inactive so they didn’t play.

Q: I think you have an idea how close they were.

BB: Well, they weren’t able to play. What do you want, percentage points? They couldn’t play.

Q: Going into the day, did you know they couldn’t play?

BB: They were inactive.

Q: That doesn’t answer my question.

BB: They were inactive, it’s as simple as that.
 

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In that case, it is a reporter (or series of reporters) being dumb.  BB gives an honest, and in-depth answer.  It's the reporter's (reporters') issue in not believing him.  That's a far cry from the Buc's PC:
 
You really think Belichick is clueless as to whether or not Wilfork has a torn achillies?
 

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You really think Belichick is clueless as to whether or not Wilfork has a torn achillies?
That's what bugs me. All he has to say is we are still looking into it and I don't want to comment on medical issues right now. Instead he plays dumb like has no idea, which he certainly does.
 

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IIRC that press conference was held before Wilfork had the MRI, so I can certainly see BB not telling the press anything about the injury until the MRI was performed. 
 
When Brady blew out his ACL they placed him on IR the next day, but that was a home game so he undoubtedly had the MRI that same day locally. The Pats had to fly back from Atlanta, so a full exam wasn't performed until today.
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
That's what bugs me. All he has to say is we are still looking into it and I don't want to comment on medical issues right now. Instead he plays dumb like has no idea, which he certainly does.
 
Why do you care? How long have you been watching the team? Why is anyone surprised in the least about any of this?
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
That's what bugs me. All he has to say is we are still looking into it and I don't want to comment on medical issues right now. Instead he plays dumb like has no idea, which he certainly does.
 
 
Like SJH, I'm not sure why it bugs you. I think he was being very honest that he doesn't know exactly the extent of Wilforks injury. The only thing BB knew prior to leaving ATL was that Wilfork most likely tore his achilles but did not have medical confirmation because the MRI had not been performed.  So, instead of confirming something that he did not have confirmation of, he gave the answers he did.
 
Either way, Vince will be out for a while. BB confirming the severity of an injury doesn't change that.
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
That's what bugs me. All he has to say is we are still looking into it and I don't want to comment on medical issues right now. Instead he plays dumb like has no idea, which he certainly does.
He just said "it doesn't look good" on EEI, so our long national nightmare is over.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
 
Why do you care? How long have you been watching the team? Why is anyone surprised in the least about any of this?
 
I take it back that it "bugs me", I just find it really stupid. It doesn't buy them anything, it's now a running joke regionally, if not at a smaller national level. I actually find it quite funny. I love the Bert Breer vs BB in weekly press conferences. I'm just not sure what the point of it is overall from a BB/Pats perspective. 
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
 
I take it back that it "bugs me", I just find it really stupid. It doesn't buy them anything, it's now a running joke regionally, if not at a smaller national level. I actually find it quite funny. I love the Bert Breer vs BB in weekly press conferences. I'm just not sure what the point of it is overall from a BB/Pats perspective. 
 
There isn't any point. But that's sorta on the journalists. BB is obligated as part of his job to answer questions, even if they are stupid. More to the point, they are redundant. Look at the third question--anyone who had heard the answer to the second question should be able to infer the answer to the third. But the reporter asks anyway like he's some sort of automaton who has to go through with the boring, useless question he had already decided to ask. So there is no point, but BB has to answer anyway. So he does. And it bores the crap out of him.
 
It' pretty easy to come up with better questions just from posts in this forum. "If Wilfork is out, how does that change your approach to personnel groupings?" for example. Of course, a good answer to that would be, "I'm not fucking telling." That wouldn't be any less informative than the exchange with question one, though.
 

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Albert Breer is a doofus and is treated accordingly. The sports media in general is an embarrassment and deserves the contempt with which BB treats it. They have no standards when it comes to sourcing reports. They are lazy and do not attempt to further their knowledge of the sports they cover. And while they always fall back on the bullshit premise that they are asking the tough questions that fans want to know, they produce a cynical and half assed product for those very same fans. I mean, look no farther than PK, the "dean" of football reporters. He's a poor writer, a misanthrope, and he lacks any intellectual curiosity.

Caveat for the obvious exceptions: Reese, Bedard, Yates, etc.
 
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Belichick Arrogantly Arrogants While Being Arrogantly Arrogant:
 
 
So when he arrogantly signs his free agents in March, and arrogantly decides whether to keep Julian Edelman, or Aqib Talib, or both, and when he arrogantly cuts some players for roster spaces, and arrogantly assembles his draft board, and arrogantly hires his friends and confidants into his front office, and arrogantly ignores my phone calls, e-mails, and texts?
 

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So c'mon now. I need to know your opinions on Michael Sam (again). I have to know how you'll answer the question "what position do the Patriots need in the draft?" And just whatis your stance on Danny Amendola's groin?
 
There are some thoughts that should be stated only in widely-separated paragraphs.
 

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dcmissle said:
thank you ... awesome
 
EDIT:  Here is the backdrop to this story -- http://www.patspulpit.com/2014/2/18/5423000/2014-nfl-scouting-combine-patriots-not-expected-to-speak-with
 
The link to the Combine comments in 2009 well worth your time as well.
 
Wow -- from that "epic" 2009 draft opening statement, here's an effusive praise re: Jim "Schwartzie" Schwartz, who almost became a Patriots coach:
 
George (Kokinis) being in Cleveland now. I remember I was this close to firing him. One of the jobs when he was first there, was driving guys to the airport, and he got into an accident. And, I wasn't too happy about that. But George has done a tremendous job and I'm very happy for him. Of course, Schwartzie. Schwartzie is another guy that was in that same group at Cleveland. I'm kind of tired of hearing the turkey sandwhich story. I don't really remember it that way.
 
Schwartzie was probably as smart as any person . . . a brilliant guy. A Georgetown guy. You could give him ten different things to do, and come to him at any point in time, and say 'where are we on this?' and he'd have it for you in a second.
 
Then you'd throw 2 or 3 other things at him, 'Hey Jimmy, can you take care of this, can you take care of that?' and half the time, he'd say, 'Coach, I've already started on that. And here's where I am. Is it Okay what I'm doing?' So he was part-mind reader. Tremendous work ethic, and really, just extremely intelligent. I'm sure he'll do a great job in Detroit, as he did atTennessee.
 
When I first took the job at New England, Jeff (Fisher) was, one of the first calls I made there, to inquire about Schwartzie, I wanted to bring him to New England, and he was a quality control coach. So Jeff said, what do you have in mind? Are you going to make him a quality control guy? I'm not going to let him go for a lateral move. And I said, Jeff, I wouldn't expect you to. I'm going to bring him here to coach linebackers. Jeff said, 'well, I think I'm going to make him the coordinator.' So we lost out on bringing him here to New England.
 
But, again, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Jimmy, and what he's accomplished, and I'm sure he'll do a tremendous job in Detroit. (NOTE: Actually Schwartz was already linebackers coach, and got promoted to DC when Greg Williams became head coach in Buffalo)
 
If BB ever decides to pen a 700-page memoir filled with anecdotes, recalling various games & players, history of the game, I'd buy a dozen and give out 10, keep 2.
 

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Q: What will Mike Lombardi be doing for you? 

BB: Mike has a lot of experience. He’s done a lot of things in his career in the NFL [and] I’m sure he’ll be doing many of those things for us. We’ll see how it goes. 
 
 
Classic. 
 

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Can't forget this one too:
 
Q: One more on Lombardi. How come you didn’t hire him in those five years he wasn’t with any team?

BB: We always do what we think is best for our football team.
 
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...and who could argue with that?
 
My god is he a master at this.
 

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Sorry, had to add one more:
 
Q: Where do you stand with a couple of your free agents – Julian Edelman, Aqib Talib? How much of a priority do you see in bringing them back?

BB: I talked about that at the end of the season, about the process that involved. I would say we’re in that process.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It just amazes me that the press continues to ask him questions like those knowing full well they're not going to get an answer. How long have they been doing this dance?
 
Then they take to Twitter and complain about his lack of insight and say he filibusters. 
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It just amazes me that the press continues to ask him questions like those knowing full well they're not going to get an answer. How long have they been doing this dance?
 
It is more amazing that lazy reporters haven't figured out that any question that contains the word history DOES get a verbose, informative answer.
 
Bill, could you tell us about the history of bump & run coverage?
 
He'd fill up notebooks if the dummies would ask questions he wants (or can't resist) answering.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It just amazes me that the press continues to ask him questions like those knowing full well they're not going to get an answer. How long have they been doing this dance?
We always try to do what we can do in order to meet our media obligations. It's an ongoing process.
 

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It is more amazing that lazy reporters haven't figured out that any question that contains the word history DOES get a verbose, informative answer.
 
Bill, could you tell us about the history of bump & run coverage?
 
He'd fill up notebooks if the dummies would ask questions he wants (or can't resist) answering.
 
I don't disagree, but from the reporter's point of view, what good does that do them? It would be great if they were trying to write a book about the history of football, but the people they report for (the ones that pay their checks) want current news to report, not a history book.
 
The problem from the reporters' view is not that they can't get him to say anything, its that they can't get him to say anything they can use. He makes their job more difficult.
 

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SoFloSoxFan said:
 
I don't disagree, but from the reporter's point of view, what good does that do them? It would be great if they were trying to write a book about the history of football, but the people they report for (the ones that pay their checks) want current news to report, not a history book.
 
The problem from the reporters' view is not that they can't get him to say anything, its that they can't get him to say anything they can use. He makes their job more difficult.
 
What current news would there be at these conferences, especially when BB is answering them? The beat reporters wouldn't be doing their job if they depended on BB's answers at the podium to fill their notepads. 
 
It also dumbs down the idea of what the readers want. I'd guess a lot of Pats fans who'd be interested in reading about the press conferences would be interested in, if not fascinated by, the historical nuggets BB dishes out quite freely when he's engaged the right way.
 
Ironically, when he's talking history, BB also has a habit of linking that to present day players -- something he'd never do if asked directly. In other words, "how would Maclin fit into Pats scheme?" would go absolutely nowhere, where as "how is Kelly's offense an evolution of the Perkins system?" may prompt BB to bring up Maclin all by himself after a 10-min. in-depth dissertation on the subject.
 

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First of all, I don't want to sound like I have any problem with what BB does at press conferences. If it makes him comfortable and there is any advantage for the Patriots, that's all that matters.
 
That said, on the day that this press conference took place if he had given them 100 words on what Mike Lombardi would do for the Patriots and why he was hired today (and I understand he would never do that, but if he did) those reporters could have just started drinking then because the story they had to churn out was already done. A little bio, scatter in some quotes, and it's all hookers and blow til tomorrow's deadline.
 
As far as dumbing down what the reader wants, do you read the Boston newspapers these days? How many times are people linking to fascinating long form pieces from Boston.com? If someone wanted to do a good in depth long form piece on BB's views on the history of football I'm sure it would be fascinating and I and everyone else here would read it. And if some writer asked for an hour of BB's time to talk about his father, and his influence on Bill, and his time at Navy, I bet Bill would find time to do it. But when that piece was published we probably wouldn't read it on Boston,com. They are too busy trying to put together a sports section that needs to be done today and printed tonight to be read tomorrow.
 
They need content. BB doesn't provide it. They resent that. I'm not saying that's how it should be, but it is how it is. Rex Ryan makes a reporter's job easier than Bill Belichick.
 

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Ironically, when he's talking history, BB also has a habit of linking that to present day players -- something he'd never do if asked directly. In other words, "how would Maclin fit into Pats scheme?" would go absolutely nowhere, where as "how is Kelly's offense an evolution of the Perkins system?" may prompt BB to bring up Maclin all by himself after a 10-min. in-depth dissertation on the subject.
 
"How has the game changed with regard to pass coverage and how has that changed what you look for in cornerbacks?"
 
Here are examples of good questions and bad questions from BB's September 23rd press conference; the key to note here is that they are all from the same press conference:
 
Bad--asking about player status which could give a future opponent useful game specific information:
Q: How close was Rob Gronkowski to playing yesterday? 
 
BB: I don’t know. He was inactive. 
 
Q: Did he have a shot to play? 
 
BB: He was inactive. 
 
Q: Going into the day, was there a chance he’d play? 
 
BB: He was inactive for the game. 
 
 
Meh--asking if they are playing well:
Q: Were you pleased with the defensive pressure you had on the quarterback yesterday after watching the film? 
 
BB: Everything can always be better. There were times where it was good. There were times when we contained him when he tried to scramble out. He had the one run, four or five yards whatever it was. They tried to bootleg us a few times. Overall, we were able to keep him in the pocket. Of course you always want to get more pressure. 
 
 
Good--asking about player assessment given multiple needs and criteria:
Q: Where’s the line when you have an offensive lineman who can play any spot, between versatility and wanting him to be really good at one spot? 
 
BB: That’s the great question. I think you either have to be really good at one spot or you have to be able to do multiple things. That’s really the catch. We’ve had guys like Steve Neal, Dan Koppen, in the past that were very good football players for us that only played one spot and they never played anything else. Steve never played anything but right guard and Dan never played anything but center but they were very good at that spot and they were able to hold down that spot and we didn’t need them to play anything else. Then there were guys that were versatile and played a number of different spots – Dan Connolly would fall into that category. He’s played, he’s started for us at center, he’s started for us at left guard, he’s started for us at right guard. He’s played all his positions and played them well. Each player has a different niche, has a different set of skills. Some guys are the Dan Connolly, Mike Vrabel types, other guys are the Steve Neal, Dan Koppen types. I’d say the players that can only play one spot but they’re not at that Dan Koppen, Steve Neal kind of level, then somebody else can come along and play at that level but also be able to do a couple other things for you, then that’s where the competition gets thick. 
 
 
Excellent--Bill, asking Belichick to explain how football works:
Q: What are the differences between playing slot corner and playing on the outside? 
 
BB: I think when you play inside, you’re really playing to a degree, a linebacker or a safety position. Even in man-to-man coverage, it’s different because the receiver has more options and the [slot] corner, if there is help, is closer to help than the [outside] corner is, if there’s some kind of inside help. If there’s no help, then the inside corner has more space to defend, across the ball or back outside as well as vertically compared to a corner who is more isolated in the area he has to defend. Once you get into combination of zone coverages, then that player’s responsibility is either that of a safety or linebacker depending on the coverage and what exactly you’re playing. That brings in a whole different awareness and conceptually playing as a linebacker or a safety as opposed to playing as a corner, if that makes any sense. All positions are difficult but I think it’s a difficult position to play because of the amount of things that happen and how fast they happen: tight ends and backs coming in or outside receivers coming into your zone or things like that. Whereas, as a corner you’re defending more space but there are less moving parts out there. There’s less guys that can get into your area. It’s usually just one or maybe two guys, whereas when you’re inside in the slot, there could be four guys easily that could get in there and once they get into tight splits and things like that, trying to sort all that out, I’d just say it’s a different game. It’s not playing safety but it’s not playing corner. It’s a little bit of a hybrid spot. There’s certainly a lot of awareness, a lot of things that those players have to see that are unique. It’s not a linebacker, it’s not a corner, it’s a nickel position. 
 
Q: Is a guy that plays both well an exception or should guys at this level be expected to play both well? 
 
BB: No, I think it’s like anything else. Some guys you can move them from the left side to the right side, from inside to outside, from ‘X’ to ‘Z’ and you wouldn’t even know it, you couldn’t even remember where they are. Other guys, you move them from left corner to right corner and it’s like teaching them a different language. It’s like English and Chinese. Or from right outside linebacker to left outside linebacker or left tackle to right tackle or left guard to right guard. I’ve seen players that you try to move them and it’s just, they’re not comfortable doing it, they don’t perform well and then you put them in that spot. Then there are other guys that you can move them around, inside to outside linebacker or left end to right end or ‘X’ to ‘Z’ and it’s seamless, apparently, it seems seamless. I’m sure it’s not to them but that’s the impression that you get. I think each player is different, each situation is different. I don’t know that you ever really know the answer to that until you actually work with the player in your system and put him through that situation and see how he responds to it. I’ve coached a lot of players and I wouldn’t want to sit here and say, ‘Well, this is the way it is or isn’t.’ I’ve had them on the punt team: you move a guy from one side of the center to the other side of the center, it’s the same protection, everything is the same but it’s not the same. Then the next guy you move and you can’t even remember which side he was on because they both look the same.
 
 
 
I mean, this isn't that hard. And I get it--I want to know how close Gronk is to coming back too. But at the same time, I don't want the other team to know. So I get it.