28 yo daughterHow old is the person who wrote that? I'm assuming based on Meyer's age this is an adult child which makes it pretty cringe-worthy.
28 yo daughterHow old is the person who wrote that? I'm assuming based on Meyer's age this is an adult child which makes it pretty cringe-worthy.
Leftwich is Bienemy without the baggage — an accomplished OC who worked in the shadow of a successful, offensive-minded head coach. But I think his past in Jacksonville is a bug rather than a feature, both for him and the franchise. Hiring a guy who is remembered locally as a draft bust isn’t the right way for Khan to reingratiate himself with the fan base, and it doesn’t seem like the best situation for Leftwich either.Byron Leftwich seems like he should be at the top of the list, IMO. He has a ring, plus a history with Jax. And to my knowledge, therehavent been any rumblings of any negatives in his closet.
When I think of Leftwich, I always remember that game when he was at Marshall where he was so injured that his OLinemen were literally carrying him down the field during the 2-minute drill of some important comeback (maybe a bowl game??).
Anyway, after the clownshow/shitshow that was Meyer's tenure, bringing in someone who will naturally command respect and will give it in return will be key to revitalizing that franchise.
Video of linemen carrying Leftwich
Hmm, very interesting idea with McDaniels. That could make a great deal of sense to him.Don't sleep on Josh McDaniels. I know it seems far fetched, but he would be starting in a place with a young QB who was thought highly enough to be drafted #1. Unless McDaniels thinks Trevor is a bust (and he may), he may view the job as a chance to go to a place where he'll have a couple of years to develop Lawrence while working with the GM to rebuild the OL and defense.
If you are going to kick the kicker, you'd best send him headlong through the uprights.I think this shows the increasing value of special teams as Meyer basically floated until it came out that he kicked the kicker. And you just can’t do that. The modern slang would note this as “Kicks or it didn’t happen.”
Congressman is a move up from Jags coach, but I'm not sure it's a move up from coach of a large state UCongressman Urban Meyer (R-OH) does have a ring to it.
Edit: this is not a political post! This is just an observation about how guys like Meyer can fail upwards!
McD was smart enough to avoid garbage ownership in Indy. Khan isn't that guy, but he has run a poor football organization for quite some time. Lots of examples of bad judgment. If I'm Josh, I'd need to hear evidence of a Damascus moment before I'd even pick up the phone, stud QB or no stud QB.Hmm, very interesting idea with McDaniels. That could make a great deal of sense to him.
I would think Josh is probably #1 on their list and likely a done deal before year end. Trevor was considered the next Peyton Manning and one year under the train wreck of Urban isn’t going to tarnish him at all. Would expect the Jags job to be extremely attractive to many, but an OC with success and experience should be their priority.Don't sleep on Josh McDaniels. I know it seems far fetched, but he would be starting in a place with a young QB who was thought highly enough to be drafted #1. Unless McDaniels thinks Trevor is a bust (and he may), he may view the job as a chance to go to a place where he'll have a couple of years to develop Lawrence while working with the GM to rebuild the OL and defense.
Curious - do you not think the state of the organization will give someone like McDaniels pause? You are likely correct about the appeal of Lawrence but that club has been a mess for a while now and it seems bigger than the coaching situation.I would think Josh is probably #1 on their list and likely a done deal before year end. Trevor was considered the next Peyton Manning and one year under the train wreck of Urban isn’t going to tarnish him at all. Would expect the Jags job to be extremely attractive to many, but an OC with success and experience should be their priority.
Yeah, this is the Sacramento Kings of the NFL. If Lawrence weren’t there, Josh would probably have zero interest. Lawrence being there probably helps but I’d have some real concerns with Khan as my owner. Josh knows better than anyone about the value of a stable ownership situation. It’s probably why he turned down Indy despite the presence of Luck.Curious - do you not think the state of the organization will give someone like McDaniels pause? You are likely correct about the appeal of Lawrence but that club has been a mess for a while now and it seems bigger than the coaching situation.
The main issue has been who Khan has selected to run the football side. It started in year one with the bizarre decision to retain Gene Smith and allow him to select a new coach after being a horrendous GM. He than went with Caldwell (seemed like an ok choice at the time) who, if you factor in the financial resources at his disposal ( Khan vs "poor owner" Weaver), the new salary cap rollover, rookie cap scale, unreal draft position every year except one, may have actually been worse than Smith. Which is saying something.Curious - do you not think the state of the organization will give someone like McDaniels pause? You are likely correct about the appeal of Lawrence but that club has been a mess for a while now and it seems bigger than the coaching situation.
Kirby Smart is not getting fired.If we’re doing a pool, I’ll take Georgia as Meyer’s next landing spot. They’ll fire Kirby Smart next year after he loses to Bama again.
I'd love it if he referred to Urban Meyer as their idiot kicker.I would think Josh is probably #1 on their list and likely a done deal before year end. Trevor was considered the next Peyton Manning and one year under the train wreck of Urban isn’t going to tarnish him at all. Would expect the Jags job to be extremely attractive to many, but an OC with success and experience should be their priority.
It was 100% obvious this was going to happen as soon as he hired Chris Doyle and stood up for him by talking about how much he had vetted him.There is certainly some residual loathing from those in the media with Gator lineage, but they haven’t been the source of much heat until recently and its been more of a pro Trevor move. There is concern Urban is creating giant problem for his development. Urban‘s treatment of James Robinson is also providing fuel.
Urban splitting first team reps between Trevor and Minshew from the start of the offseason and through camp until they traded him so there could be a competition was a great foreshadow to the ensuing shit storm.
Urban showed up at an early season Gators game, but he took his bow at the same time as Spurrier. If it was just Urban I believe the greeting would have been quite mixed. Improving his standing in Gainesville and getting in the Gators ring of honor is certainly one of his goals. I’m not sure he’s making any progress on that front.
What a soap opera season!
Was he though? He had one foot in the door before changing his mind. And the reporting I saw after the fact did not really allude to a problem with ownership, it was more about compatibility and roles between the GM and coach.McD was smart enough to avoid garbage ownership in Indy. Khan isn't that guy, but he has run a poor football organization for quite some time. Lots of examples of bad judgment. If I'm Josh, I'd need to hear evidence of a Damascus moment before I'd even pick up the phone, stud QB or no stud QB.
Yes, this is what I think matters more to Josh than who the owner is.I expect a McDaniels Hire (which I have been hoping for years) would be a package deal with new GM and assurances they have complete control. However, there is one more elephant in the room, that could give any new hire pause, is the son, Tony "Chief Football Strategy Officer" (Mr Analytics) who should stick to his wrestling venture.
An announcer at practice?Bevell has already made a couple minor changes: He's done away with the announcer at practice...
Normally when a rich dad has a midlife crisis he goes and kicks the tires on a Lambo, but I guess Meyer’s done that alreadyUrban's family is taking the news in an extremely normal way!
View: https://twitter.com/lukezim/status/1471504643612037128
This is so amazingly hypocritical. When my sister was a student football trainer and they played Clemson, 90% of the Clemson players were majoring in lawncare management or turf science or whatever. He doesn't give a damn about the players' education and it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest otherwise.This guy seems fed up with the landscape of college football right now. Does Khan want to try and reunite Lawrence (and Etienne) with his college coach?
for those who can’t see the tweet. It’s a pic of Dabo Swinney complaining about the landscape of college football.
UmmmThis guy seems fed up with the landscape of college football right now. Does Khan want to try and reunite Lawrence (and Etienne) with his college coach?
for those who can’t see the tweet. It’s a pic of Dabo Swinney complaining about the landscape of college football.
This is a hideously bad take, on multiple levels.If we’re doing a pool, I’ll take Georgia as Meyer’s next landing spot. They’ll fire Kirby Smart next year after he loses to Bama again.
You're just mad because I pointed out Kelce hasn't been that bad and Russell Wilson was not a big loss.Landing the #1 QB prospect in the country probably will help with that.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-football/story/clemson-lands-nations-no-1-qb-i-knew-it-when-i-was-out-there-last-june-17856
But also...he won the national title with DeShaun Watson as his QB, so he's already "won without Trevor Lawrence".
LOL what?You're just mad because I pointed out Kelce hasn't been that bad and Russell Wilson was not a big loss.
Uh....here's what you actually said, to which I actually responded:Because if you're argument against my comment that Dabo can't win without an elite QB, coming back with, "But he won with Watson too," is quite a toothless argument.
There are few people more disingenuous and selfish than college football coaches.This is so amazingly hypocritical. When my sister was a student football trainer and they played Clemson, 90% of the Clemson players were majoring in lawncare management or turf science or whatever. He doesn't give a damn about the players' education and it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
This fact is amazing:Rodger Sherman of The Ringer with the top 10 lowlights from Urbie's all-too-brief NFL coaching tenure:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/12/16/22840520/urban-meyer-fired-jacksonville-jaguars-worst-moments
The Jaguars fired Meyer on Thursday, ending one of the worst coaching stints in NFL history. To understand how we got here, let’s go through his low points in Jacksonville—from the bad to the baffling to the truly appalling.
Despite being coach for less than a full season, Meyer accrued more losses (11) in Jacksonville than he did in his seven seasons as the head coach at Ohio State (nine).
"Its about education" says college football coaches who before the transfer portal and the NIL were making millions off players who got paid nothing, and were free to bolt to whatever college gave them the most bags of money to be their head coachThere are few people more disingenuous and selfish than college football coaches.
I'd argue that parity is going to get even worse with NIL. It's going to become a necessity in big time CFB for a HC to be able to funnel big time money to players. I could easily see 3* and 4* prefer to sit on the bench at Texas for $100k rather than start at some other school which isn't paying players.DABO is just angry that The playing field is level.
Ohio State head coach to US House of Representatives is not upwards.Congressman Urban Meyer (R-OH) does have a ring to it.
Edit: this is not a political post! This is just an observation about how guys like Meyer can fail upwards!
Why do the players need coaches’ help to get NIL? Players need coaches to get PT and to develop and not much else.I'd argue that parity is going to get even worse with NIL. It's going to become a necessity in big time CFB for a HC to be able to funnel big time money to players. I could easily see 3* and 4* prefer to sit on the bench at Texas for $100k rather than start at some other school which isn't paying players.
That's a possibility, especially for players whose prime motivator is getting the money sooner, even if it comes with the cost of not getting more later (if getting buried on the depth chart negatively affects pro prospects). But parity isn't the goal of NIL.I'd argue that parity is going to get even worse with NIL. It's going to become a necessity in big time CFB for a HC to be able to funnel big time money to players. I could easily see 3* and 4* prefer to sit on the bench at Texas for $100k rather than start at some other school which isn't paying players.
This thread just keeps on giving, it really is the holiday season
I don't know how many players (even 5* guys) are going to be able to get NIL deals outside of a bribe to play for said team. It's going to become Semi-Pro football, and managing the "payroll" is going to be part of the coach's responsibilities.Why do the players need coaches’ help to get NIL? Players need coaches to get PT and to develop and not much else.
Smart players who are thinking long-term rather than those tempted by an instant 100k, maybe.Why do the players need coaches’ help to get NIL? Players need coaches to get PT and to develop and not much else.
Players would not prefer to sit on the bench for 100k when a pro contact is so much more.
Arkansas linemen are getting deals. It's really not that difficult right now.I don't know how many players (even 5* guys) are going to be able to get NIL deals outside of a bribe to play for said team. It's going to become Semi-Pro football, and managing the "payroll" is going to be part of the coach's responsibilities.
This might be a different thread in a different forum, but my rough googling tells me that ~5% of 3-star recruits are drafted by the NFL. Given the median NFL salary of 860k and the average career length of 3.3 years, this seems like a pretty close decision to me.Smart players who are thinking long-term rather than those tempted by an instant 100k, maybe.
Lawyers….assemble! I rarely side with owners on anything but I’ll be rooting for Jags big time in this one.
Khan knew what he was getting when he hired Meyer. He chose to ignore the bad character because of Meyer's winning history. Paying Meyer 50-60 million dollars for 13 games might just be the lesson that Khan needs to learn. Once Meyer has his money, I hope his wife divorces him and takes it all.Lawyers….assemble! I rarely side with owners on anything but I’ll be rooting for Jags big time in this one.
He didn’t leave the college ranks for this job. He retired from Ohio State in 2018. And he’s already generationally wealthy from his college career, and his reputation was already shitty. Meyer isn’t losing anything here other than some money that he doesn’t really deserve.Urban is a piece of shit, but Kahn gave him the contract and should be paying up. I don't like this precedent. Meyer may have injured the brand, but it was due to Kahns hiring blunder.
Meyer took the deal because of the security tied to it. Again, he's an asshole, but he wouldn't have left the college ranks and risked his entire reputation for a one year gig.
Pay him his money and have him go away.
Really jumping to defend Urban Meyer? He kicked a fucking player. Why do you feel so strongly about assholes getting the benefit of the doubt?Urban is a piece of shit, but Kahn gave him the contract and should be paying up. I don't like this precedent. Meyer may have injured the brand, but it was due to Kahns hiring blunder.
Meyer took the deal because of the security tied to it. Again, he's an asshole, but he wouldn't have left the college ranks and risked his entire reputation for a one year gig.
Pay him his money and have him go away.
I explained pretty clearly why. Read my post.Really jumping to defend Urban Meyer? He kicked a fucking player. Why do you feel so strongly about assholes getting the benefit of the doubt?