I wish I could make such deals on eBay.
Even with the wackiness of this offseason, this really is a better deal than we could have expected just a month or so ago. It's not $28-30M per year. It's not 6-8 years long. And JDM isn't Hosmer.
JDM is signed-5 years, 110 mil
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Even with the wackiness of this offseason, this really is a better deal than we could have expected just a month or so ago. It's not $28-30M per year. It's not 6-8 years long. And JDM isn't Hosmer.
I don’t think he does, and there are probably enough at bats to justify hanging on to him... for now at least.
Hanley and Moreland can platoon at first, or slide into the DH slot to either give JDM a night off, or allow JDM to start in LF to give one of the OF-Bs a night off.
Not to mention, Hanley is a PH option for Bradley, and Moreland is a PH option for Vazquez, maybe Nunez, or even Bogaerts if he’s struggling.
Plus, it would be unwise to DFA him before ST has really begun. Who knows what may crop up in terms of injuries, etc.
The bench construction might be tricky however. I wonder if this locks in Swihart, as he has more positional flexibility than Leon. Ramirez/Swihart/Marrero/Brentz? Holt and Leon out? Am I missing anyone obvious?
There is no reason to platoon Hanley though. He hits righties better than Moreland does.
He is obviously the better hitter - but the contract is the issue.
I think Nunez also gives them positional flexibility because you can put Lin or Marrero in at second base and then move Nunez to pretty much any position. So, if Hanley hits for Bradley while Nunez is at second you could slide Nunez to the outfield and put, say, Marrero at second.
If we're pinch hitting for Bradley, it's probably a close game, and I'm going to be nervous with Nunez trotting out to an OF position. Would probably be Benintendi to center and Nunez to left. Shudder. But you have to try to win the game (close to what Herm Edwards said).
You'd want to put Lin or Swihart in the OF in that situation. Nuñez is pretty terrible in the OF.
The reason to platoon Ramirez is that you don't think he can stand up to a full season of playing first.
I hated the Moreland signing regardless what happened with JDM, but you are right in that I certainly wasn't seeing the last minute push by DD coming here. With us being the ones to secure JDM over Arizona (who judging by the fact they went out and signed Dyson like an hour latter I'm guessing thought they at least had a chance until the end, and before DD likely squashed that with his willingness to budge).
Not sure what you are referring to as latching on to the option though, other then my pointing out it was a fairly big concession over the previous "best" offer that DD was going to have to make to get this done. Otherwise my gut reaction so far is that I don't hate the contract. I don't like the idea that I'll now how to essentially give up on my getting back under LT sooner rather then latter possibility pov in all of this, but I don't think I hate the contract even with the opt outs (still wrapping my head around whether or not I should even really care about the 2nd one included).
But yeah, I certainly can admit that DD didn't do bad here for a signing in itself.
This makes sense... if you were comfortable walking away and not doing the deal. (Which you may well have been.). 5/$110 was not going to get it done without the opt outs. The Red Sox put $60 million on the table instead of whatever they would have had to add to 5/$110 to sign him long term with no opt outs.
I don't get being upset about opt outs on a player his age. Any combination of those deals is good.
5/110 is good value for JD Martinez
3/72 if he plays well (only way he opts out) is good value for JD Martinez
2/50 (again he only opts out if he sees 20M+ a year out there) is a good deal.
For a guy his age the option that you lose him early is a case of being let off the hook for his likely decline, he isn't some 25 year old where the downside of his 4th and 5th years isn't that high.
5/110 is good value for JD Martinez
3/72 if he plays well (only way he opts out) is good value for JD Martinez
2/50 (again he only opts out if he sees 20M+ a year out there) is a good deal.
For a guy his age the option that you lose him early is a case of being let off the hook for his likely decline, he isn't some 25 year old where the downside of his 4th and 5th years isn't that high.
I think part of the argument and fear with these opt-outs is that a series of events occurs that the player performs well, fans love him, and then you sign him to a longer guaranteed deal that bites you. That was the fear with CC, but ultimately it worked out. Anything that incentivizes JDM to stay healthy and hit like a beast for the next 2 years should be viewed as a good thing. Make that decision when you have to in a better market 2-3 years from now.
I don't think it's going to be a platoon. I think Hanley is the first baseman when he is healthy. When he is banged up or needs a rest, Moreland plays. Hanley gets hurt a lot and doesn't hit well when he is banged up. We keep him fresh and start him about 115 games there.
If Hanley isn't hitting well by midseason he would probably get DFA'd then. But not before then.
Fans suck everywhere, especially on sports talk radio; the difference is the producers at WEEI and 98.5 choose to let the Johnnie from DD on to spout nonsense for ratings. Especially at this time of night, it's garbage. Day time you can actually get some decent discussion and callers.
Also, can we talk about how MLB Network covering Dwight & Doc + other random topics is pretty shitty?
Cant blame JDM from caving. Somehow the Red Sox knew with a certainty nobody else was in on him (that shouldnt happen), and waited him out.
Another signing where a player makes less than even MLBTR's low ball projections.
That said, he wont starve. Lets hope he can overcome his anger at this offseason and focus on showing other teams what they missed out on
Definitely a better team with him on board
Another signing where a player makes less than even MLBTR's low ball projections.
That said, he wont starve. Lets hope he can overcome his anger at this offseason and focus on showing other teams what they missed out on
Definitely a better team with him on board
That's a great job by DD. And you can't forget to add the added bonus of a 2/50 assuming opt out in this case. That would mean JDM raked and the positive side effect would be that having JDM also (at least without injuries striking 1B/OF) will also ensure that Hanley's contract does not vest unless Hanley also has a very good year with the bat and remains healthy. So it is quite possible that year 2 of the contract costs 25 MM for JDM but saves 22 MM for Hanley without any dispute with union regarding benching etc.
I think the JDM contract and its effect on Hanley's vesting contract can't be understated. And please, enough about DFA'ing Hanley, which doesn't make any sense since he is far from a useless player (see Craig, Sandoval) and the DFA would save $0.
Yeah, this. I didn't really think it was going to be possible to get them both and we not only got them both, we stay under the 237. I think we still might want to dump Holt and/or Leon, but it's swung a lot more to baseball reasons and away from salary reasons.
We'll see. I think sharing the playing time helps keep them both healthy which is obviously better for the team. But yeah, we'll see. We don't really have anything to judge Cora's management style on, so we're just gonna have to wait.
This is what I see happening as well. Hanley plays when healthy and Moreland is a defensive replacement. Give JD a few games in left with Hanley as DH. Moreland plays once or twice a week to give Hanley a rest. Hanley can be an elite hitter and I think he will get every chance to see if he can be healthy and be elite.
I'm guessing a heavily subsidized Hanley to a team like the Twins. Saving even $5 of his contact could be enough.
I'm thinking Holt for a C prospect is more likely .. he really has no place on the team.
Again, Holt is not part of the potential logjam created by signing Martinez.
Also, a utility guy coming off a concussion-plagued season isn't bring back a "prospect." minor league filler and salary relief, sure; but not a prospect
Yeah if they could get someone to take Holt for nothing but getting his salary off the books, its a win.
Live baseball on Thursday. The (almost) annual DH against Northeastern and BC.
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But it's BROCKHOLT Allstar ! Agreed they won't get much if anything for him. The salary relief is what counts.
But I think he's the one to go .. in that his skill set is duplicated by Nunez .. and getting him off the roster will save a bit - unlike Marrero or Lin.
Of course if they DO have a deal for a subsidized Hanley that would save a lot more. But I doubt if it would make much baseball sense.
Good signing. Would like to see this team claim Dickerson as some insurance but the roster looks pretty good. Not sure if they can beat the Yankees but you can’t get pissed over a 2 year deal.
We have 2 DH’s now. They’d have absolutely no fit for someone like Dickerson.
Wouldn't Holt's contract qualify as non-guaranteed since it's an arbitration eligible one year agreement? I.e. if they release him before opening day they only owe him about 45 days of pay.
A bit early for that. I suspect he gets plenty of playing time this spring.
Yes .. I believe that to be true. Might as well see what they can get for him though.
If they are going to trade Holt then it behooves them (and him) to play him a lot in Spring and see what he has. if nothing, then release him, if something then return is greater. Etc.
Not to ruin the fun, but it appears Ellsbury is paid just over 21 million per year for the next few. Overall point still stands though.
Even if they don't trade him he needs to get a lot of time in ST to be sure that vertigo doesn't come back. I think he will bounce back if that problem is resolved.
He has a $5M buyout for 2021, so is owed around $68M for the next three (essentially).
I strongly dislike the three years of options as it squarely shifts the risk to the team and the reward to JD.
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