Hield is a more expensive, older Beasley without the off court issues. I don't know why the Kings would want Kemba when they have Fox and Haliburton tho.
Yeah that kind of trade sucks for both teams.Hield is a more expensive, older Beasley without the off court issues. I don't know why the Kings would want Kemba when they have Fox and Haliburton tho.
plus the Kings have Delon Wright!Yeah that kind of trade sucks for both teams.
No deal unless Houston throws in their 2021 draft pick. And NASA.Kemba and a 1st for Wood and Gordon.... lol sign me up yesterday.
Yeah that would make Robey for DJ look tame by comparison.Kemba and a 1st for Wood and Gordon.... lol sign me up yesterday.
I bet the writer doesn't realize that the last year of Gordon's deal isn't guaranteed. He's pretty bad, and getting worse so if he really had 3 more years at around 20M per he'd be a significant negative (still not enough for a 1st and Kemba to get Wood though).Kemba and a 1st for Wood and Gordon.... lol sign me up yesterday.
Lol. Kidd inbound and Jaylen outbound. And we get to nibble the bones off Horford's carcass too. Sweet mother of God.If the Kidd and Lillard rumors are true, I would gladly sign up for Jason Kidd to be the coach for the next few years, assuming there is a workable trade for Lillard to Boston.
Rope OKC in to take Kemba's deal?
BOS - Lillard, Horford
OKC - Kemba, Simons, picks
POR - Jaylen, Pritchard
Portland wouldn't do that, but LFG.Only Lilliard deal that makes sense to me is Kemba, Romeo, Nesmith, 1st round pick this year or something along those lines.
That's not happening.
Right, there's no deal that makes sense for both teams. The C's should be trying to add a player to the Jays, not switching out one of the Jays for another player.Portland wouldn't do that, but LFG.
Exactly. What will be interesting to see is if Brad holds onto the picks as much as Danny would, not just the young players. Not just Dame, what if Beal is available for a similar smorgasbord? I mean, he probably isn't. But guys at that level...anything that isn't stapled down (i.e. the Jays) is fair game. And if Kemba is somehow going out, who gives a shit if Dame costs 50M.Right, there's no deal that makes sense for both teams. The C's should be trying to add a player to the Jays, not switching out one of the Jays for another player.
It's like having the king of hearts and king of spades, then trading the king of spades for the king of clubs. You are still just holding a pair of kings. They want a set (3) of kings.
Not really...Right, there's no deal that makes sense for both teams. The C's should be trying to add a player to the Jays, not switching out one of the Jays for another player.
It's like having the king of hearts and king of spades, then trading the king of spades for the king of clubs. You are still just holding a pair of kings. They want a set (3) of kings.
People are sleeping on Lillard.Not really...
We really need to stop pretending Jaylen is on the same level as Damian Lillard. He isn't, and likely at no point in his career will be.
I don't know if I'd want Lillard's end of contract, but if you're trying to win a title in the next 3 years Lillard instead of Brown significantly increases you chances, he's at least 1 if not 2 or 3 tiers better.
Tatum/Dame isn't winning anything and Dame's decline is probably coming sooner than later.Not really...
We really need to stop pretending Jaylen is on the same level as Damian Lillard. He isn't, and likely at no point in his career will be.
I don't know if I'd want Lillard's end of contract, but if you're trying to win a title in the next 3 years Lillard instead of Brown significantly increases you chances, he's at least 1 if not 2 or 3 tiers better.
The strategy would be pretty sound... get the two best players you can and fill in the rest bit by bit, it's how the Lakers won last year. It's probably short term, because Dame is gonna decline at some point and his contract is insane, but Jaylen going out and Dame coming in significantly improves the top end talent of this team.
Edit- If we want to use the cards analogy... Tatum and Brown is like having KJ suited pre-flop in Hold 'em. Having Dame gives you pocket Kings
I don't think that anyone is sleeping on Lillard. Just saying that we already have enough talent to bomb out in the first round every year.People are sleeping on Lillard.
I don't think the trade kicker will even come into play though right? He can't get more than 35% of the cap when he is traded, thus his next years salary of 39 million will not go up, or if it does, it will be a tiny increase.Just a friendly reminder:
Our loveable PG has a 15% trade kicker. That puts his last 2 seasons ~$85MM in any trade
Maybe Smiley waives it to avoid becoming the C's Lou Williams the next 2 seasons?
Yep you roll the dice on Tatum/Brown continuing to ascend to 2 Aces and look to surround them with 3 Jacks (complimentary players).Tatum/Dame isn't winning anything and Dame's decline is probably coming sooner than later.
The C's shouldn't be trading Brown away for a 6'2 guard on the wrong side of 30. The team is better for maybe a year or two. His contract is aligned with Tatum's too, so in 4 year we'll get to watch Tatum leave with Dame.
Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the two shall meetJayson Tatum is 22 and has 5 more playoff wins than 30yo Damian Lillard. Just pointing that out.
Jaylen Brown has 11 more playoff wins than Damian Lillard.
These are definitely analogous situations as Dame also played in the East on teams that included Kyrie, Tatum or Brown, Hayward, Horford and Kemba and were coached by Brad Stevens.Jayson Tatum is 22 and has 5 more playoff wins than 30yo Damian Lillard. Just pointing that out.
Jaylen Brown has 11 more playoff wins than Damian Lillard.
I assume you mean Tatum/Lillard.... and the answer to that is... if you can't build around Tatum/Lillard and compete, then you aren't going to compete building around Brown/Tatum.The team also isn't winning a title with just Tatum/Brown. That's kind of the point. Tatum/Brown/Dame.. now we are talking.
Lots of excuses, and a lot of them are valid.These are definitely analogous situations as Dame also played in the East on teams that included Kyrie, Tatum or Brown, Hayward, Horford and Kemba and were coached by Brad Stevens.
Are you saying you prefer Brown to Lillard?Lots of excuses, and a lot of them are valid.
That said, basketball is played at both ends of the court. And Lillard teams consistently suck at one end, leading to an atrocious playoff record for this supposed top 10 player.
Sure, he's not a good defender.... neither is Curry, but Curry played on a team with a good GM and coach, who stuck him with an elite 2 guard defender, and other top defenders.Lots of excuses, and a lot of them are valid.
That said, basketball is played at both ends of the court. And Lillard teams consistently suck at one end, leading to an atrocious playoff record for this supposed top 10 player.
I prefer Brown on his contract and growth curve to Lillard on his, yes.Are you saying you prefer Brown to Lillard?
Nah, my previous post said they aren't competing with just Tatum and Dame. I thought it was fair to point out they aren't winning with just Tatum or Brown either.I assume you mean Tatum/Lillard.... and the answer to that is... if you can't build around Tatum/Lillard and compete, then you aren't going to compete building around Brown/Tatum.
If Tatum can't be paired with a top 5 offensive talent in the league to be a contender, you're basically screwed.
The idea that we can just add a top 10 player in the game to Tatum/Brown is silly, we have almost no assets other than Brown, holding him out in hopes that we can piece together an offer with every pick and detrius isn't likely.
I get it though, it's more fun to dream on Jaylen becoming a top 10 player and us pulling another star out of thin air than making the tough choice to compete now. Selling future hope is easier than selling future pain for short term gain.
I'm not 100% on Dame, his late years are scary, but I definitely wouldn't trade Jaylen for Beal, Lillard is a much better player than Beal.Nah, my previous post said they aren't competing with just Tatum and Dame. I thought it was fair to point out they aren't winning with just Tatum or Brown either.
I'm fully on board with a big 3 and have no expectations of Jaylen ever being more than a top 20-40 player. I think Tatum, JB and a player in between the two is the path to a title. Outside of Tatum becoming a top 5 player in the league, anyway.
Not an aging Dame + Tatum and a bunch of role players/vets. Even if it is a title window (I don't think it is), it shuts quickly.
What people who would trade Jaylen for Dame also trade him for Beal?
And the other 5 times they were bounced in the first round.During Lillard's tenure, POR lost to the eventual champion 3 times (SA, GSW, LAL) and western champion twice (GSW, GSW).
Sure, they had a couple stinkers in there (MEM and NO), but if that is going to be the measuring stick, there are very few players who would meet that mark
I wouldn't do either but I'd be far more confident about Beal 4 years from now than Dame.I'm not 100% on Dame, his late years are scary, but I definitely wouldn't trade Jaylen for Beal, Lillard is a much better player than Beal.
Yeah, but he's not signed for the next 2 seasons. He's signed for the next 4. So the C's would have a two year window with Dame and Tatum and a roster that is severely lacking wings. Then they would be on the hook for 34 and 35 year old Dame.I understand aging curves but Dame is 31, not 35, and is coming off the best season of his career. Barring a catastrophic unexpected injury he’s still going to be a top 5-10 player for the next 2-3 years. I swear sometimes players over 25 all get discussed as if they are seconds from their career falling off a cliff.
It’s not just a talent comparison. Lillard’s on the wrong side of 30 and has a lot of mileage on him. And if Boston can’t make it work they likely lose Tatum when the time comes.Are you saying you prefer Brown to Lillard?
I mean... the assumption that he falls off in 2 years is a big one. He has no known injuries, he's as likely to be 90% of what he is in 4 years as not. It could well be a 4 year window. And he can fall off an awful lot and still be 2nd best player on a title team worthy. He'll be 34 in the last year of his deal.. Steph is going to be 33 next year do we expect him to be bad? Mike Conley just had arguably the best year of his career at 33, Chris Paul is 35 and still great.Yeah, but he's not signed for the next 2 seasons. He's signed for the next 4. So the C's would have a two year window with Dame and Tatum and a roster that is severely lacking wings. Then they would be on the hook for 34 and 35 year old Dame.
If Dame was only signed for 2 more years, that would be more interesting. That would leave the C's with possibly only Jayson Tatum on the roster going into the 23/24 season. They could do a lot of stuff.
He's a top 5 player now?I understand aging curves but Dame is 31, not 35, and is coming off the best season of his career. Barring a catastrophic unexpected injury he’s still going to be a top 5-10 player for the next 2-3 years. I swear sometimes players over 25 all get discussed as if they are seconds from their career falling off a cliff.