http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2014/07/weeis_dennis_and_callahan_program_will_no_longer_air_on_nesn.html?camp=twit:tatb&dlvrit=845880
So, now Minihane has legitimately cost WEEI money. For how much longer does he keep his job?
Kirk and Callahan: Done
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So, now Minihane has legitimately cost WEEI money. For how much longer does he keep his job?
WE ARE STILL THE MOST LISTENED TO PROGRAM WITHOUT NESN! WE DIDNT NEED THEM! GO LOOK AT THE BANGOR MAINE RATINGS! LEBANON, NH! MANCHESTER CENTER VT, WE ARE #1!!!
According to Finn's sources, a move was already in the works, so it's unclear what impact Minihane's statements had on the NESN simulcast.Corsi said:
It's worth noting, however, that Finn seems to get advance warning on all personnel changes at WEEI, so it's likely his "industry source" is an Entercom employee.
I think they knew before I did.
As for sources, got 'em everywhere. People in this industry can't help but talk.
As for sources, got 'em everywhere. People in this industry can't help but talk.
Trautwein's Degree said:
NortheasternPJ said:
That's when NESN's contract to simulcast the show expires. I think Traut's asking how long D&C are contracted with WEEI.
What say you, Chad?
Read the article.mabrowndog said:
Dennis and co-host Gerry Callahan's contracts with WEEI also expire at that time. They signed five-year deals in September 2007, then had two more years added to their contracts when the simulcast was launched. Negotiations are ongoing.
Minihane and Fred Toucher going at it a bit on Twitter. I'm on my phone and lazy, so you'll have to look for it.
@dwcowell: TV NEWS: @NESN cancels sports comedy sitcom that depicted last decade's top sports radio duo as they struggle to be relevant. @FredToucher
Dennis keeps saying something to the effect of "WANNA BET" whenever someone says they are through on the radio.
He kind of makes it sound like he already knows they will be around for a while. I'm not sure we have heard the last of D&C on WEEI.
He kind of makes it sound like he already knows they will be around for a while. I'm not sure we have heard the last of D&C on WEEI.
It's pretty chicken-shit and duplicitous for NESN's ownership to have obviously known about this contract decision -- as well as Minihane's recent sexist asshattery -- yet still have Luchhino on the show this morning to yuck it up with those neanderthals.
NESN can claim all it wants that it has "absolutely no editorial control", but when John Henry allows "the guy who runs the Red Sox" to continue appearing on the show, and Lucchino agrees to do so, that can't be anything other than a tacit endorsement of the show's content and the reprehensible conduct of the hosts.
And please, don't try to tell me Lucchino is contractually obligated to appear. There are plenty of ways to get around that.
NESN can claim all it wants that it has "absolutely no editorial control", but when John Henry allows "the guy who runs the Red Sox" to continue appearing on the show, and Lucchino agrees to do so, that can't be anything other than a tacit endorsement of the show's content and the reprehensible conduct of the hosts.
And please, don't try to tell me Lucchino is contractually obligated to appear. There are plenty of ways to get around that.
Riconway3155 said:
According to Chad, "negotiations are ongoing" so I wouldn't be at all surprised.
It's not like Entercom itself is a shining beacon of decency with its other broadcasting outlets.
Really, what would Entercom do without them? They have a fan base. They draw listeners. Replacing them would mean losing that fan base (as I'm sure they'd be themselves if ousted, meaning the new show would have to deal with Dennis on twitter). Out-of-market hires have not worked well for WEEI (see Salk, Mike). They have their fans amongst the advertisers (Dennis in particular seems adept at sucking up to guys like Drinkwater).
WEEI will give them a new contract and will ride them until the ratings completely collapse or the station switches formats. They are never going away unless they fuck up on air. And it probably will need to be a big fuck up, as we've seen what Entercom thinks about minor controversies like this Minnihan-Andrews thing.
Get ready for more 5th to 7th place finishes in the ratings.
WEEI will give them a new contract and will ride them until the ratings completely collapse or the station switches formats. They are never going away unless they fuck up on air. And it probably will need to be a big fuck up, as we've seen what Entercom thinks about minor controversies like this Minnihan-Andrews thing.
Get ready for more 5th to 7th place finishes in the ratings.
Drinkwater cashed out and sold Giant a couple years ago, I think the sucking up is to sit on camera in his seatssoxfan121 said:
soxfan121 said:
This is a great question. WEEI has 2 choices, stick with D&C&K or make radical changes. What struck me about the spring ratings and then fall / winter ratings (cant seem to find the summer) is that the gap is slowly widening:
In the 25 - 54 demo:
- Spring : T&R were a 7.9 while D&C&K were a 5.6 a gap of 2.3
- Fall: T&R were a 10.9 while D&C&K were a 6.6 a gap of 3.3
- Winter: T&R were a 9.3 while D&C&K were a 4.6 a gap of 4.7
- Spring: T&R were a 10.0 while D&C&K were a 8.2 a gap of 1.8
- Fall: T&R were a 12.2 while D&C&K were a 9.0 a gap of 3.2
- Winter: T&R were a 11.1 while D&C&K were a 7.1 a gap of 4.0
I do agree that WEEI has had problems making radical changes and I would be petrified to do that if I were them. However, I would be equally petrified to watch this program die a slow death (although personally I'd love to see it) and risk them spewing KKK propaganda or dropping a fa**ot bomb at any time and creating a real disaster.
We dont have a specific number on their contracts, Chad has reported multiple times that they are very significant and I'm guessing they are higher than what the BigO had. So its kind of like a bloated contract for a declining player coming off the books where it frees up some money for you to go replace him with younger talent with more upside. And thats why I would make radical changes with them because if they are surviving with their salaries then they should have the resources to go hire some actual talent who might actually be able to compete with T&R which I would hate to see happen.
http://bostonherald.com/business/media_marketing/2014/07/nesn_dump_of_weei_show_unrelated_to_flap
Gayle Fee WEEI's version of the former IRAQ Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf.
Gayle Fee WEEI's version of the former IRAQ Information Minister Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf.
Minihane with a screed about how everyone who criticizes WEEI is biased. http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/general/kirk-minihane/2014/07/25/criticism-host-fair-be-aware-agenda-driven-attacks?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I'm sure it's true that the decision to drop D&C from NESN has been in the works for a while. It's the decision to suddenly release this information yesterday -- the day after Minihane doubled down with the waitress comment -- that's pretty telling. After a week of websites and TV programs showing those clips of Minihane saying these things -- with the NESN logo plastered all over them -- it can't be a surprise that the network decided to get out front and declare, 'We're getting rid of them, don't associate us with this!"
nattysez said:
But he doesn't say they're wrong.
(as an aside, in olbermann's rant last night against the Ray Rice "punishment", he included a picture of himself (alongside Malkin and Coulter) among those who have said reprehensible things about women.)
The exact opposite of a Friday afternoon news dump.
From the link:mrl714 said:
It's been a long, long time since I've seen magical thinking like this.
Buffalo Head said:
Ya, he's getting douchier and douchier every time he says something. "Ya, I said something bad. But the only reason you know about it is because everyone is out to get me. Everyone who said anything about my comments is biased and bad and irrelevant and stupid."
He's just covering himself in glory all over the place.
WaxPack said:
Didn't read it, eh? What time is Deadspin's local radio show at? I'd like to catch that.
He should have just titled his piece, "Liberals Are Attacking Me and They Will One Day Attack You Too"
Because seriously, holding up Ann Coulter as someone we should feel bad for? That's weak sauce.
Because seriously, holding up Ann Coulter as someone we should feel bad for? That's weak sauce.
As long as D&C earn WEEI/Entercom more than their salaries, and WEEI/Entercom don't get sued, they will continue to be the morning show. Could the new contract have clauses that change their pay if they cause sponsors to leave? Perhaps. But please don't even think they'll be gone in September
Lose Remerswaal said:
Umm no, just because you pay for your salary doesn't mean you get to keep your job. There is this thing called opportunity cost that all businesses also have to consider. If someone else can equal your contribution and do it cheaper then guess what, bye-bye to you. Given that EEI ratings are in the tank and that D&C are probably grossly overpaid compared to similar talent I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they were not renewed.
I'm dying to see the next ratings book where D&C really is vs. Kirk's statement.
So:
Boston.com = liberal douches
Boston Globe = same thing, liberal douches
Boston Herald = tabloid douches?
Deadspin = Internet douches?
Keith Olberman = National douche?
For someone that wanted Joe Haggerty fired for whatever that was Haggerty posted online as a story on the huge CSNNE.com web page, he's upset that others are making his a comments a big deal?
How is it possible he wrote a long statement, called out the Boston media, but didn't call out Chad Finn?
This is my favorite:
Is Kirk really that dumb that he isn't aware of what happened between the Globe and WEEI in the 2000's with the bans etc. and the fact that HIS show (for now anyways) is on NESN (owned by John Henry), WEEI is the flagship station of the Red Sox (owned by John HEnry) and the reporters are on Boston.com/Globe payroll (Owned by John Henry). John Henry even gave the freaking Herald a scoop on Jon Lester yesterday.
Kirk/Waxpack the reason people are out to get you isn't because you are on WEEI, it's because you are on a terrible program, you've become little John Dennis, you call for people to be fired for a freaking comcast article with nothing offensive in it, and you can't even apologize without causing more of a shit storm. #sportsdebate.
So:
Boston.com = liberal douches
Boston Globe = same thing, liberal douches
Boston Herald = tabloid douches?
Deadspin = Internet douches?
Keith Olberman = National douche?
For someone that wanted Joe Haggerty fired for whatever that was Haggerty posted online as a story on the huge CSNNE.com web page, he's upset that others are making his a comments a big deal?
How is it possible he wrote a long statement, called out the Boston media, but didn't call out Chad Finn?
This is my favorite:
Is Kirk really that dumb that he isn't aware of what happened between the Globe and WEEI in the 2000's with the bans etc. and the fact that HIS show (for now anyways) is on NESN (owned by John Henry), WEEI is the flagship station of the Red Sox (owned by John HEnry) and the reporters are on Boston.com/Globe payroll (Owned by John Henry). John Henry even gave the freaking Herald a scoop on Jon Lester yesterday.
Kirk/Waxpack the reason people are out to get you isn't because you are on WEEI, it's because you are on a terrible program, you've become little John Dennis, you call for people to be fired for a freaking comcast article with nothing offensive in it, and you can't even apologize without causing more of a shit storm. #sportsdebate.
j44thor said:
Of course my comment was simplistic. But their ratings are very good, the best on the station, and that suggests they must be profitable to WEEI/Entercom. More profitable than any of the other shows where they have been mixing and remixing and matching and rematching hosts for the past few years.