Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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It certainly affects his value. And also how people will and should regard matters of his self interest.
We all know this. Maybe I got lost in between what we are discussing but it happens all the time in this league with talented players that teams don’t want to deal with but with social media emphasizes it more than years past. Boogie, Carmelo, Andray Blanche, Lamar Odom, Lance Stephenson, Arenas, etc etc.
 

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We all know this. Maybe I got lost in between what we are discussing but it happens all the time in this league with talented players that teams don’t want to deal with but with social media emphasizes it more than years past. Boogie, Carmelo, Andray Blanche, Lamar Odom, Lance Stephenson, Arenas, etc etc.
what did Carmelo ever do, besides being guilty of being a NY Knick, saving LeBron from drowning, and winning Jim Boeheim a Championship?
 

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what did Carmelo ever do, besides being guilty of being a NY Knick, saving LeBron from drowning, and winning Jim Boeheim a Championship?
He also refused to sign his extension offer with the Nuggets prior to demanding a trade early in his career. I probably shouldn’t have included him even though that period when no team would touch him after the Houston thing still seems curious to me.
 

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He also refused to sign his extension offer with the Nuggets prior to demanding a trade early in his career. I probably shouldn’t have included him even though that period when no team would touch him after the Houston thing still seems curious to me.
No worries, I know where you're going with it. Guys leveraging trade demands for $$$ isn't new, but Kyrie brings his own special twist to it.

Man, I'm just reading this morning that Kyrie is prepared to sit out the rest of this season o_O

I still think what he did to the Celtics was even more harmful
 

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I suspect we're headed for a whirlwind of reports (them being close with other teams) as the nets try to squeeze out those 1st rounders from LA.
 

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No worries, I know where you're going with it. Guys leveraging trade demands for $$$ isn't new, but Kyrie brings his own special twist to it.

Man, I'm just reading this morning that Kyrie is prepared to sit out the rest of this season o_O

I still think what he did to the Celtics was even more harmful
Yeah I don’t think discussing Kyrie these days is going to create any legendary debates lol. Everyone knows who he is which is why he’ll likely be out of the league soon. We, the fan, get cheated of what he brings to the game on the floor and that part sucks.
 

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What an unbelievable turd he is.

It’s hard to see a team other than Lakers or maybe Mavs (eg teams with unquestioned alphas) gamble on Kyrie. He’s so predictably unreliable and toxic, why would you?

Maybe Clips—who have a two year future—but I suspect they are too smart. Conceivably Bucks but only if he’s cut, and that seems unlikely.
 

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what did Carmelo ever do, besides being guilty of being a NY Knick, saving LeBron from drowning, and winning Jim Boeheim a Championship?
It was Lebron that rescued Carmelo in the Bahamas. Just another example of Bron being greater than MJ. Jordan definitely lets Patrick Ewing drown.
 

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What an unbelievable turd he is.

It’s hard to see a team other than Lakers or maybe Mavs (eg teams with unquestioned alphas) gamble on Kyrie. He’s so predictably unreliable and toxic, why would you?

Maybe Clips—who have a two year future—but I suspect they are too smart. Conceivably Bucks but only if he’s cut, and that seems unlikely.
If he’s not traded there is a greater than zero chance he’s played his final NBA game. This would be even more bizarre than Larry Sanders inexplicably deciding he’s finished playing because he felt like a product. Very rare to see players in their prime out of the league without having a physical injury. Not talking a guy like Tyrell Terry who wasn’t making it as an NBA player but legit stars/semi-stars. Who else besides Sanders?
 

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If he’s not traded there is a greater than zero chance he’s played his final NBA game. This would be even more bizarre than Larry Sanders inexplicably deciding he’s finished playing because he felt like a product. Very rare to see players in their prime out of the league without having a physical injury. Not talking a guy like Tyrell Terry who wasn’t making it as an NBA player but legit stars/semi-stars. Who else besides Sanders?
Jordan's first retirement immediately comes to mind.
 

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If he’s not traded there is a greater than zero chance he’s played his final NBA game. This would be even more bizarre than Larry Sanders inexplicably deciding he’s finished playing because he felt like a product. Very rare to see players in their prime out of the league without having a physical injury. Not talking a guy like Tyrell Terry who wasn’t making it as an NBA player but legit stars/semi-stars. Who else besides Sanders?
Exactly why I thought Tsai was foolish to dig in on KD. Could have probably gotten a nice package, maybe even Jaylen. Should have blown it up, especially in a Wembanyama draft year. Now, the Nets are going to lose Kyrie for basically nothing. Simmons is a mess. And KD is almost certainly plotting another run at forcing his way out. And he’s hurt.

Billionaires aren’t used to being dictated to and this is what happens. Obviously, KD/Kyrie is an extreme case but you just have to move on and get the best possible return once you’re in this position.
 

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Exactly why I thought Tsai was foolish to dig in on KD. Could have probably gotten a nice package, maybe even Jaylen. Should have blown it up, especially in a Wembanyama draft year. Now, the Nets are going to lose Kyrie for basically nothing. Simmons is a mess. And KD is almost certainly plotting another run at forcing his way out. And he’s hurt.

Billionaires aren’t used to being dictated to and this is what happens. Obviously, KD/Kyrie is an extreme case but you just have to move on and get the best possible return once you’re in this position.
Rockets have pick swap so no way they get Wemby.
 

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Are those C's fans who are dialed into the NBA a little more than I am hoping that he goes to a C's competitor or not? Like what are the most/least desirable places you'd like to see him go?
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Kyrie Irving has not decided yet whether he will suit up for the #Nets again and play or sit out the rest of the season if not moved by Thursday's trade deadline, according to a source familiar with the situation. But it is a nuclear option they say is being discussed.
I assume they can suspend him without pay if he decides not to play
 

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I assume they can suspend him without pay if he decides not to play
I doubt it since it would be mutual. The Nets are the ones who sat him yesterday citing “sore calf” when they know that he’s never playing for them again. That’s not a battle they are likely to pick but it’s unlikely it would ever come to this.
 

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If he’s not traded there is a greater than zero chance he’s played his final NBA game. This would be even more bizarre than Larry Sanders inexplicably deciding he’s finished playing because he felt like a product. Very rare to see players in their prime out of the league without having a physical injury. Not talking a guy like Tyrell Terry who wasn’t making it as an NBA player but legit stars/semi-stars. Who else besides Sanders?
If the chances aren't zero, it's gotta be really close to zero.

He's just way too talented to not land a job this summer. He's playing at a borderline all-NBA level this year.

He's injury prone, defensively challenged, annoying and an all-around turd of a person, but some GM will still say we can get through to him.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if old friend Danny Ainge would be a life preserver for him this summer if some better landing spots didn't open up for Kyrie. Even having already been burned once, I think he'd bet on the talent and try to rehabilitate him.
 

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If the chances aren't zero, it's gotta be really close to zero.

He's just way too talented to not land a job this summer. He's playing at a borderline all-NBA level this year.

He's injury prone, defensively challenged, annoying and an all-around turd of a person, but some GM will still say we can get through to him.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if old friend Danny Ainge would be a life preserver for him this summer if some better landing spots didn't open up for Kyrie. Even having already been burned once, I think he'd bet on the talent and try to rehabilitate him.
I would have said this, and have, two teams ago…..even one team ago. Who is going to pay him the kind of money that he wants to play basketball? Rebuilding teams won’t, contenders aside from the short list we’ve been discussing won’t……I mean he’s doing a heckuva job crossing teams off on his own.
 

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Wait, are we really that jilted as fans that we are now proclaiming Irving's NBA career over if the Nets don't deal him?

Also, lets have some perspective here - Kyrie is essentially an annoying troll and a locker room cancer. That's all he is guilty of. He may not be the worst person on his own team (I know nothing - just allowing for the very real possibility that one of his teammates is worse), he certainly isn't the worst person playing in the NBA and his crimes pale compared to lots of other star professional athletes.

If Kyrie wants to keep playing in the NBA, he will almost certainly have a market. Simply put, his physical skills outweigh his toxicity.
 
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Wait are we really that jilted as fans that we are now proclaiming Irving's NBA career over if the Nets don't deal him?

Also, lets have some perspective here - Kyrie is essentially an annoying troll and a locker room cancer. That's all he is guilty of. He may not be the worst person on his own team (I know nothing - just allowing for the very real possibility that one of his teammates is worse), he certainly isn't the worst person playing in the NBA and his crimes pale compared to lots of other star professional athletes.

If Kyrie wants to keep playing in the NBA, he will almost certainly have a market. Simply put, his physical skills outweigh his toxicity.
I don't think we are. HRB is arguing that Kyrie might only play for the contract he wants and that there's a "non-zero chance" he just up and quits. Stranger things have happened.

I don't think that's crazy at all. I think Kyrie will ultimately bend and take a lesser contract if he has to, but you can bet your ass he'll at least ACT like he doesn't need the money or the contract before he takes it.

If he was a more marginal talent, his career would be over. But think of how many talented guys stayed on the floor through insane scandals. Artest managed to play for 19 seasons. As long as Kyrie wants to play, he'll play.
 

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Kyrie isn't going to retire if he's not traded and someone will sign him, maybe he doesn't get his 4 year max but he'll get a lot of money. And kyrie isn't sitting on principle, this is the guy who always abandons whatever bullshit he's on as soon as he starts losing checks
 

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If Kyrie wants to keep playing in the NBA, he will almost certainly have a market. Simply put, his physical skills outweigh his toxicity.
Kyrie will never get a max contract again if he's not traded by the Nets. He'll have to play for the mid-level exception next season and he won't be worth the headache when he's 32 after that deal ends.

Nobody will want that distraction when you're getting an injury plagued bench scorer with no athleticism.
 

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Wait, are we really that jilted as fans that we are now proclaiming Irving's NBA career over if the Nets don't deal him?

Also, lets have some perspective here - Kyrie is essentially an annoying troll and a locker room cancer. That's all he is guilty of. He may not be the worst person on his own team (I know nothing - just allowing for the very real possibility that one of his teammates is worse), he certainly isn't the worst person playing in the NBA and his crimes pale compared to lots of other star professional athletes.

If Kyrie wants to keep playing in the NBA, he will almost certainly have a market. Simply put, his physical skills outweigh his toxicity.
A big part of his toxicity is not playing, or, occasionally, not playing hard. That’s a step beyond troll.
 

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I would have said this, and have, two teams ago…..even one team ago. Who is going to pay him the kind of money that he wants to play basketball? Rebuilding teams won’t, contenders aside from the short list we’ve been discussing won’t……I mean he’s doing a heckuva job crossing teams off on his own.
There's a big difference between pay him the kind of money that he wants and might not play in the NBA again.

He might not get the max deal he wants, but he'll get offered plenty of money by multiple teams to play basketball next season.
 

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Kyrie will never get a max contract again if he's not traded by the Nets. He'll have to play for the mid-level exception next season and he won't be worth the headache when he's 32 after that deal ends.

Nobody will want that distraction when you're getting an injury plagued bench scorer with no athleticism.
That’s pretty much what I think and I don’t believe Kyrie would play for the MLE. This kid does have a TON of money and doesn’t have to play in the NBA if he doesn’t want to….and I don’t think he’d want to on one of those year to year “prove it to me” deals.

Btw, Sprewell was another besides Sanders.
 

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Kyrie isn't going to retire if he's not traded and someone will sign him, maybe he doesn't get his 4 year max but he'll get a lot of money. And kyrie isn't sitting on principle, this is the guy who always abandons whatever bullshit he's on as soon as he starts losing checks
Weird thing to say after all the game checks he lost last year sitting on (very stupid) principle.
 

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Kyrie will never get a max contract again if he's not traded by the Nets. He'll have to play for the mid-level exception next season and he won't be worth the headache when he's 32 after that deal ends.

Nobody will want that distraction when you're getting an injury plagued bench scorer with no athleticism.
I would gladly bet copious amounts of money that this is incorrect.
 

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Also the antisemitism.
I am a Jew and its upsetting that he, and to a lesser degree, Jaylen Brown traffic in this stuff.

Also as a Jew, I understand that antisemitism isn't a career limiting factor for most high end professions and it may well even be a feature.

Kyrie is a troll and a locker room cancer. There are almost certainly worse people than him in the NBA. And we know for a fact that there are domestic abusers and criminals playing in other leagues.

I have no clue what Kyrie Irving will be paid going forward and nobody else here does either, regardless of how authoritative their proclamations are. But if he wants to play beyond this season, he will almost certainly have a market.
 

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That’s pretty much what I think and I don’t believe Kyrie would play for the MLE. This kid does have a TON of money and doesn’t have to play in the NBA if he doesn’t want to….and I don’t think he’d want to on one of those year to year “prove it to me” deals.

Btw, Sprewell was another besides Sanders.
Bison Dele as well.
 

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Players leave their current teams all the time when they hit free agency. Even ones who have been offered extensions
Name me another player on Kyrie's level who pushed for a trade for non-competitive, solely monetary reasons during the season before hitting free agency. Maybe Carmelo is the one player who did it, and he ended up costing himself money in the long run. This isn't the move of a genius who's maxing out his earnings, it's the move of a temperamental baby who can't see that he'll make more money by simply being a reliable player.

Kyrie might be the first player to force a trade midseason to go from a team that's 32-20 to one that's 25-29. You really have to be a total imbecile as a GM to think that he'll behave any differently when he's on your team (and that he won't pull the same shit six months from now).
 

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Kyrie will never get a max contract again if he's not traded by the Nets. He'll have to play for the mid-level exception next season and he won't be worth the headache when he's 32 after that deal ends.

Nobody will want that distraction when you're getting an injury plagued bench scorer with no athleticism.
I don't know if this is correct, but at least now I have something I can really root for.
 

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Kyrie will never get a max contract again if he's not traded by the Nets. He'll have to play for the mid-level exception next season and he won't be worth the headache when he's 32 after that deal ends.
As far as I can tell there is only one team interested in Kyrie - the Lakers- and that is also the only team that interests Kyrie. Limiting the competition to one buyer is a great way to destroy a market.
So even if Kyrie gets his trade to his preferred destination there seems to be little to no chance he gets a max, though he will likely get a better offer than the mid-level.
That said, Kyrie being Kyrie it’s unlikely he’ll avoid controversy after a trade, which, depending on the severity of his next episode of idiocy, could make it so he’s not even welcome in LA next season.
 

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As far as I can tell there is only one team interested in Kyrie - the Lakers- and that is also the only team that interests Kyrie. Limiting the competition to one buyer is a great way to destroy a market.
So even if Kyrie gets his trade to his preferred destination there seems to be little to no chance he gets a max, though he will likely get a better offer than the mid-level.
That said, Kyrie being Kyrie it’s unlikely he’ll avoid controversy after a trade, which, depending on the severity of his next episode of idiocy, could make it so he’s not even welcome in LA next season.
This aged rather quickly
 

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Kyrie as an off ball finisher is terrifying. I wouldn't want to face the Mavs in the playoffs this year. But Kyrie will Kyrie it soon enough. Death, taxes, Kyrie blowing up a team
 

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That seems like a significant overpay by Dallas in addition to the bad fit.

If the Nets can spin some of those assets into FVV, they might wind up being a better overall team than they were yesterday.
 

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Kyrie as an off ball finisher is terrifying. I wouldn't want to face the Mavs in the playoffs this year. But Kyrie will Kyrie it soon enough. Death, taxes, Kyrie blowing up a team
That doesn’t make sense to me, his top skill is his ball handling. This seems like a terrible fit for me on the court, then he has to work with Kidd as well. Di-sas-ter.
 

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Wild all-in move for Dallas.

I think they have just their 2027 1st round pick available for trade now, which they're surely going to be trading immediately for forward help.

They have no other first or second round picks left to trade right now. Or any other good roster assets.

Good luck.