Wish I could be near Steve Nash when he reads that quote.He is?
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Come on Kidd, we were not born yesterday
Wish I could be near Steve Nash when he reads that quote.He is?
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Come on Kidd, we were not born yesterday
Nah, Kidd 100% believes that, he's every bit the egotist Kyrie is. He's like Kyrie if instead of being gullible and desperate for people to think he was smart Kyrie was an abusive alcoholic piece of shit.Not shown: Mark Cuban holding gun to Jason Kidd's head while he's saying that
Sounds like the 3rd stage of grief to me.He is?
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Come on Kidd, we were not born yesterday
Yeah... Kyrie in Dallas has definite "Persuades Luka to bolt" potential.The best line I've seen summing up this trade for the Mavs came from Zach Harper (The Athletic):
The Mavs’ ceiling is higher, but the floor is now lava.
I would have gone with "this is a great opportunity, and maybe his last, for kyrie to prove that he's not the team-killing loser he's been portrayed to be." But whaddoIknow?Sounds like the 3rd stage of grief to me.
The unique part with Kyrie on 3) is that his former teammates still have great affection for him. He's beloved by guys like Tatum, Smart. Cam Thomas, etc.So, here's a question, what are some other basketball players that could rival Irving with regards to:
1) Undeniable ability and individual accomplishment (so NOT someone who has talent, but just never did anything with it)
2) Ridiculous distractions
3) Team killing antics
For example in football, Antonio Brown comes to mind, although I'm not sure #3 is true as football teams, given their size, are not as vulnerable as they are in basketball, I'd say.
I get it, but what else is he supposed to say?He is?
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Nah, they can bond over never winning anything with the Nets.Sounds like the 3rd stage of grief to me.
“Why, God, why?!”I get it, but what else is he supposed to say?
“I mean, it’s not like he beats women.”I get it, but what else is he supposed to say?
This sounds right. Other than (I think) his stated desire to part from Lebron to be a top dog, his antics are aimed everywhere but his teammates. (Even though those antics end up hurting them).My sense has always been that Kyrie is effusively supportive of his teammates, excluding the occasional basketball disagreements that do happen, but paranoid and disruptive when it comes to coaches, GMs, and anyone else who has even the slightest control or tries to hold any power over him. So Kidd and he will be fine until they have a slight disagreement, I'd guess.
I couldn't imagine the Mavs doing this without at least floating it by Luka's people first.Yeah... Kyrie in Dallas has definite "Persuades Luka to bolt" potential.
“The horror. The horror.“I get it, but what else is he supposed to say?
Brooklyn was his last. He'll continue to play in the league, but his legacy is secure.I would have gone with "this is a great opportunity, and maybe his last, for kyrie to prove that he's not the team-killing loser he's been portrayed to be." But whaddoIknow?
They tried to run it by Luka, but he was caught flat-footed and completely missed it.I couldn't imagine the Mavs doing this without at least floating it by Luka's people first.
Of course, that won't matter if it ends up tanking the franchise, but one can always move on from Kyrie. His 3 former teams are all in the top 5 in the East.
I can definitely understand that many players would be appreciative/loyal to Kyrie because of the individual generosity he often displays. It's puzzling to me, however, that they don't seem to see the impact he has with breaking up teams or stupid stuff like his behavior in the Bucks series a few years ago.The unique part with Kyrie on 3) is that his former teammates still have great affection for him. He's beloved by guys like Tatum, Smart. Cam Thomas, etc.
Well doneThey tried to run it by Luka, but he was caught flat-footed and completely missed it.
My guess is that this is due to the players evolving into an individual entity with the large majority of players viewing their brand and their contract status well above a fans view of what team building should look like. They see Kyrie, his contract, his Union leadership, his affable personality, and the success of his sneaker which places him on a pedestal as a basketball icon who they want to emulate (sans all the other stuff).I can definitely understand that many players would be appreciative/loyal to Kyrie because of the individual generosity he often displays. It's puzzling to me, however, that they don't seem to see the impact he has with breaking up teams or stupid stuff like his behavior in the Bucks series a few years ago.
This is where I am at. I suspect that the reason he doesn't catch any grief from teammates about his behavior vis-a-vis coaches/GMs/owners/fans is that 1) it really does no good for anyone to insert themselves into that and 2) it is at best, a bad look to be a player looking like you are siding with ownership over a player, no matter what that player did. Better for everyone to lie low, "this is a business", etc.I can definitely understand that many players would be appreciative/loyal to Kyrie because of the individual generosity he often displays. It's puzzling to me, however, that they don't seem to see the impact he has with breaking up teams or stupid stuff like his behavior in the Bucks series a few years ago.
With all due respect I feel it is delusional to believe a player, one likely from a similar culture, would shun that player to side with an insanely rich owner from a different generation and completely different culture which they cannot relate.This is where I am at. I suspect that the reason he doesn't catch any grief from teammates about his behavior vis-a-vis coaches/GMs/owners/fans is that 1) it really does no good for anyone to insert themselves into that and 2) it is at best, a bad look to be a player looking like you are siding with ownership over a player, no matter what that player did. Better for everyone to lie low, "this is a business", etc.
It was pretty clear that there were a number of other players on the Celtics who would have happily driven Kyrie to the airport by the end of his tenure here. These included Al Horford, Jaylen Brown and (I think) Marcus Smart. I am sure there are a number of Nets players doing fist pumps of joy right now. It just does no good to make these things public and if it is reported, it is very circumspect and in between the lines.I can definitely understand that many players would be appreciative/loyal to Kyrie because of the individual generosity he often displays. It's puzzling to me, however, that they don't seem to see the impact he has with breaking up teams or stupid stuff like his behavior in the Bucks series a few years ago.
Some of those are far from clear, Smart has always said good things about Kyrie. The Jaylen stuff was far more hopeful smoke than fire, and Jaylen now talks about him as a friend and mentor (and seems to hold some of the same views).It was pretty clear that there were a number of other players on the Celtics who would have happily driven Kyrie to the airport by the end of his tenure here. These included Al Horford, Jaylen Brown and (I think) Marcus Smart. I am sure there are a number of Nets players doing fist pumps of joy right now. It just does no good to make these things public and if it is reported, it is very circumspect and in between the lines.
Smart actually liked Kyrie if I remember correctly. I think the players thag didn’t like him were Horford and the young guys (save for Tatum) like Rozier and Jaylen.It was pretty clear that there were a number of other players on the Celtics who would have happily driven Kyrie to the airport by the end of his tenure here. These included Al Horford, Jaylen Brown and (I think) Marcus Smart. I am sure there are a number of Nets players doing fist pumps of joy right now. It just does no good to make these things public and if it is reported, it is very circumspect and in between the lines.
Yeah, his biggest implosions (plural) happened on the team which he and his super best friend architected themselves.Brooklyn was his last. He'll continue to play in the league, but his legacy is secure.
I thought a lot of the tension in Boston began when Kyrie started to feel some of the younger guys (thinking JB but might be off) did not "know their lane" and Kyrie started to perceive them as challengers to his unquestioned top dog status? That deep playoff run the young Celtics made sans Kyrie really seemed to piss him off. On the Nets, I would think KD is so transcendent that even Kyrie would not question his role in that hierarchy.This sounds right. Other than (I think) his stated desire to part from Lebron to be a top dog, his antics are aimed everywhere but his teammates. (Even though those antics end up hurting them).
How can we forget all the quotes from Kyrie about how the Celtics were young and didn't know what it takes to win a title?I thought a lot of the tension in Boston began when Kyrie started to feel some of the younger guys (thinking JB but might be off) did not "know their lane" and Kyrie started to perceive them as challengers to his unquestioned top dog status? That deep playoff run the young Celtics made sans Kyrie really seemed to piss him off. On the Nets, I would think KD is so transcendent that even Kyrie would not question his role in that hierarchy.
He definitely seems to have a problem accepting the word of authority figures or established facts/knowledge. That's where his being such a genius must be a real burden.
Well last years inability to close out a 2-1 Finals lead with 3 straight losses proved his statement to be kinda accurate, no? I mean the guy has plenty of warts but he sure wasn’t wrong on this call.How can we forget all the quotes from Kyrie about how the Celtics were young and didn't know what it takes to win a title?
I don't know man. Kyrie turns 31 next month and has as many playoff games on his resume as Tatum and fewer than Brown. Sure, he won a ring playing next to a top-2 forever player and hit a big shot (yay), but this isn't Michael Jordan or Bill Russell saying it.Well last years inability to close out a 2-1 Finals lead with 3 straight losses proved his statement to be kinda accurate, no? I mean the guy has plenty of warts but he sure wasn’t wrong on this call.
I know your Kyrie bias here is evidence but “(yay)” on hitting the biggest shot of the decade while dropping 40+ in a Finals Game 7 on top of a couple 30+ games earlier in the series? That’s only a “yay?” LolI don't know man. Kyrie turns 31 next month and has as many playoff games on his resume as Tatum and fewer than Brown. Sure, he won a ring playing next to a top-2 forever player and hit a big shot (yay), but this isn't Michael Jordan or Bill Russell saying it.
No, it doesn’t. It just proves that the other team had professional basketball players, too, and they get to try to win as well.Well last years inability to close out a 2-1 Finals lead with 3 straight losses proved his statement to be kinda accurate, no? I mean the guy has plenty of warts but he sure wasn’t wrong on this call.
No, he was great in that finals. But if I were Michael Anthony in like 1982 or so, I wouldn't be talking about how my band kicked ass while sharing a stage with Eddie and Dave. He's playing next to GOAT-B, has one ring, and 53 other playoff games spread among the other 11 seasons that he played in the league.I know your Kyrie bias here is evidence but “(yay)” on hitting the biggest shot of the decade while dropping 40+ in a Finals Game 7 on top of a couple 30+ games earlier in the series? That’s only a “yay?” Lol
Edit: Oh I thought this was someone else so disregard the bias part…..the yay stands though lol.
This was a silly criticism bc it was at least partially true when a young team couldn’t handle success and folded in a Finals. I’ve also repeated that there are plenty of things to criticize Kyrie for but you simply ignored that.No, it doesn’t. It just proves that the other team had professional basketball players, too, and they get to try to win as well.
You have a lot of posts in the “defend Kyrie Irving from all possible criticisms,” mold. Like, a weird amount.
Its only one series.I know your Kyrie bias here is evidence but “(yay)” on hitting the biggest shot of the decade while dropping 40+ in a Finals Game 7 on top of a couple 30+ games earlier in the series? That’s only a “yay?” Lol
Right, but most teammates don't make that call/throw other guys under the bus in the context in which he did. I am probably reading too much into it wearing my Kyrie is so insecure glasses but that is how that comment came off in the moment, as him being threatened by other teammates' growth.Well last years inability to close out a 2-1 Finals lead with 3 straight losses proved his statement to be kinda accurate, no? I mean the guy has plenty of warts but he sure wasn’t wrong on this call.
No, it’s not. The statement he made is stupid and it’s almost always stupid, regardless of who makes it, but especially when the guy won a championship young while playing with the best player in the league.This was a silly criticism bc it was at least partially true when a young team couldn’t handle success and folded in a Finals. I’ve also repeated that there are plenty of things to criticize Kyrie for but you simply ignored that.
No, not all failures prove correct some weird prediction many years earlier. Also, you've stripped it of context. Kyrie was criticizing his teammates, who had accomplished a lot, to push blame off himself for the team performing worse with him. It was a stupid thing he said, using the fact that he was lucky enough to ride LeBron's coattails to a ring to denigrate players who accomplished far more team success than Kyrie ever did without Lebron. And he did it because as always he refuses to accept any blame or responsibility for his words or actions.Well last years inability to close out a 2-1 Finals lead with 3 straight losses proved his statement to be kinda accurate, no? I mean the guy has plenty of warts but he sure wasn’t wrong on this call.
I know this is unimportant and stupid, but his need to not only hold the mic, but hold it like he does drives me fucking crazy
I would add "fans" to that list. I think some players really appreciate Kyrie basically telling fans, media, coaches, and ownership to fuck off.They all probably feel aggrieved by the media, ownership, etc. so there's a camaraderie there that extends off the court.
See "Dogshit, flaming bag" above.