The related issue I'm not hearing much about is how they'll mesh on the court. Everyone points to how Kyrie played well w/ LBJ and with KD a bit hard to tell due to time lost/injuries, but seems to have been good together when they were both on the court. That said, LBJ and KD aren't as ball dominant as Luka is. And, as well, KD and LBJ both play very good defense whereas Luka doesn't. I think one has to at least wonder if this will be as great a basketball fit as the Mavs hope.I agree and I will also add that in todays climate it is naive to think that the Mavs have 5-years to appease Doncic. There is a very real chance that something needs to be done this year or next before he asks to be moved.
I’ll say this about Doncic. Everyone loves his talent, however……he’s already clashed with an executive and a GM, neither of whom are any longer with the organization, and the two “second wheels” he’s had in Dallas (Porzingis and Brunson) have played better since leaving…..and in the formers case, played better both before and after his time with Doncic).
I’m not yet being critical of Doncic but there are some red flags creeping up that we should watch moving forward.
In the playoffs I wonder if Luka can kick it up defensively in a way we haven't seen yet due toBetween that press conference and deleting his apology tweet, hold on fellas, I'm beginning to think Kyrie is a bit of a jerk. Too much of a hot take?
The related issue I'm not hearing much about is how they'll mesh on the court. Everyone points to how Kyrie played well w/ LBJ and with KD a bit hard to tell due to time lost/injuries, but seems to have been good together when they were both on the court. That said, LBJ and KD aren't as ball dominant as Luka is. And, as well, KD and LBJ both play very good defense whereas Luka doesn't. I think one has to at least wonder if this will be as great a basketball fit as the Mavs hope.
Luka and Brunson worked together just fine so Luka and Kyrie should also, I’d guess.Between that press conference and deleting his apology tweet, hold on fellas, I'm beginning to think Kyrie is a bit of a jerk. Too much of a hot take?
The related issue I'm not hearing much about is how they'll mesh on the court. Everyone points to how Kyrie played well w/ LBJ and with KD a bit hard to tell due to time lost/injuries, but seems to have been good together when they were both on the court. That said, LBJ and KD aren't as ball dominant as Luka is. And, as well, KD and LBJ both play very good defense whereas Luka doesn't. I think one has to at least wonder if this will be as great a basketball fit as the Mavs hope.
Did they though? Bronson’s star really shined when Doncic was out of the lineup and we’ve seen what he can do in NY where he’s been handed the keys. Now much of this was due to Brunson deferring which isn’t going to occur with Kyrie. They are going to need this naturally chemistry which if it’s there we willl see right away and/or learn to allow the other to go off when that player is in rhythm while finding other ways to help the team.Luka and Brunson worked together just fine so Luka and Kyrie should also, I’d guess.
Pierce and the 08 team do this all the time! They are constantly getting flamed on the internet for it.By comparison, the NBA Twitterverse would eat Pierce and Garnett for lunch if they were walking around telling everyone how to win with one ring in the league, and neither of those guys played with Lebron.
I was just basing it on last year's postseason, seemed like both of them went nuts and it got them to the Western finals.Did they though? Bronson’s star really shined when Doncic was out of the lineup and we’ve seen what he can do in NY where he’s been handed the keys. Now much of this was due to Brunson deferring which isn’t going to occur with Kyrie.
They will do well for a while. Maybe a long winning streak in Feb and March. The talking heads will be consulting their physicians every 4 hours, between stops on the Kyrie Redemption Tour.Luka and Brunson worked together just fine so Luka and Kyrie should also, I’d guess.
Yeah, clearly I just mean playing together on the court, if Luka and Brunson can thrive together as they did last postseason, then Luka and Kyrie can also.They will do well for a while. Maybe a long winning streak in Feb and March. The talking heads will be consulting their physicians every 4 hours, between stops on the Kyrie Redemption Tour.
Then, those who have ignored history will be condemned to watch it repeated.
This just seems like a special kind of awful. I'd like to see evidence of supposed "other tweets he deletes all the time"Irving deleted his apology post from a few months back:
Yeah, Kyrie's whole thing is that he needs to get attention, but it has to be positive, he has to be told that he's smart and talented and right. He can never admit a mistake, a flaw or a failing. It's what makes him so easily roped into these conspiracy things, because the whole subculture is built on the idea that you're smarter than those "sheep" and you should never apologize.He doesn't change. He just sits still, and the world revolves around him.
I mean, I think it's as simple as it is obvious: He resented being brought to heel over the anti-semitic movie stuff, he was insincere in every apology and felt forced into it, probably made up some victim-complex stuff because Tsai didn't back him up, and as a result decided this wasn't the franchise for him, because they took sides with the league in knocking him down a peg. And nobody knocks Kyrie down a peg. It's not his fault if they can't see the genius behind a painfully-bad racist movie. Now that he's been traded, he can remove any evidence that he once was humbled or forced to say something he didn't believe. That post was a reminder of his humiliation.
Agreed. Conspiracy theories are also great for people that lack accountability because they convince people there are dark forces in play that are responsible for your failures and that it has nothing to do with your own inadequacies.Yeah, Kyrie's whole thing is that he needs to get attention, but it has to be positive, he has to be told that he's smart and talented and right. He can never admit a mistake, a flaw or a failing. It's what makes him so easily roped into these conspiracy things, because the whole subculture is built on the idea that you're smarter than those "sheep" and you should never apologize.
Then call me unimportant and stupid because it drives me fucking crazy as well.I know this is unimportant and stupid, but his need to not only hold the mic, but hold it like he does drives me fucking crazy
He basically said that verbatumYeah, Kyrie's whole thing is that he needs to get attention, but it has to be positive, he has to be told that he's smart and talented and right. He can never admit a mistake, a flaw or a failing. It's what makes him so easily roped into these conspiracy things, because the whole subculture is built on the idea that you're smarter than those "sheep" and you should never apologize.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35610289/kyrie-irving-felt-lack-transparency-nets-front-office"I just know I want to be places where I'm celebrated and not just tolerated or just kind of dealt with in a way that doesn't make me feel respected," Irving said after Tuesday's practice at USC's Galen Hall. "There were times throughout this process when I was in Brooklyn where I felt very disrespected and my talent -- I work extremely hard at what I do. No one ever talks about my work ethic, though. Everyone talks about what I'm doing off the floor, so I just wanted to change that narrative, write my own story and just continue preparing in the gym, and now that I'm in Dallas, just focus on what I control."
What in the hell is this take?Everyone has double standards. They will criticize Kyrie for tweeting about the movie……yet they will gladly continue paying Amazon each month despite them still promoting the movie on their platform to this day. I’m sure many on this board are included.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person for your Amazon subscription only pointing out the double standard.
Looks like last year in the games that Luka did not play, Brunson put up 21/7/4. This year with the Knicks he is at 23/6/3.5Did they though? Bronson’s star really shined when Doncic was out of the lineup and we’ve seen what he can do in NY where he’s been handed the keys
Wait a second. That's not a double-standard at all and it's a false equivilancy. You can watch that movie but you don't have to go around telling everyone how awesome it is and how it "really makes you think"--especially if you're a person with a huge megaphone to hype up a POS movie. There are a lot of docs on a number of streaming services that I don't agree with, but I'm not going to tell you to shut those services down.Everyone has double standards. They will criticize Kyrie for tweeting about the movie……yet they will gladly continue paying Amazon each month despite them still promoting the movie on their platform to this day. I’m sure many on this board are included.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person for your Amazon subscription only pointing out the double standard.
Did anyone ask him what he meant by all that? That's really all it would take to explode his myth, as he has either no idea what he means, or what he really means is a bunch of horrible or incoherent nonsense dressed up as profundity.He basically said that verbatum
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35610289/kyrie-irving-felt-lack-transparency-nets-front-office
Basically, everybody has to love Kyrie at all times otherwise he is out. No criticism is ever warranted. Total narcissist
There's a pretty stark distinction between regular ass people ambivalently subscribing to Amazon Prime and a professional athlete with an enormous platform and significant influence in his community perpetuating antisemitic tropes. You're not doing much to disprove @Myt1 wrong about your need to weirdly defend this guy despite him being one of the biggest pieces of shit in the NBA.Everyone has double standards. They will criticize Kyrie for tweeting about the movie……yet they will gladly continue paying Amazon each month despite them still promoting the movie on their platform to this day. I’m sure many on this board are included.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person for your Amazon subscription only pointing out the double standard.
Let me add to my previous response. The double standard is "Kyrie should not tweet virulently anti semitic shit" but at the same time "you shouldn't patronize any corporation that has questionable morality" ? This is not a double standard, they are completely different things.Everyone has double standards. They will criticize Kyrie for tweeting about the movie……yet they will gladly continue paying Amazon each month despite them still promoting the movie on their platform to this day. I’m sure many on this board are included.
I’m not saying you’re a bad person for your Amazon subscription only pointing out the double standard.
That we all have double standards?What in the hell is this take?
Well, that depends doesn't it? Kyrie's history suggests things tend to go well for a while. If that suckers them into extending him, then he goes full Kyrie, it might be harder to move on with him two years older and another meltdown on his resumé.I couldn't imagine the Mavs doing this without at least floating it by Luka's people first.
Of course, that won't matter if it ends up tanking the franchise, but one can always move on from Kyrie. His 3 former teams are all in the top 5 in the East.
There is no double standard evident in: 1) subscribing to a platform even though it offers what I think is a bigoted documentary; and 2) criticizing someone for describing that particular documentary in glowing terms. If the platform was run by Atomwaffen or Stormfront, there might be a basis to have a conversation as to why I pay them $8 a month.That we all have double standards?
Paying Amazon for a subscription service that includes thousands of titles is not in the same stratosphere as an individual (even putting aside who Kyrie is and how many followers he has) actively promoting a anti-semitic film that happens to be in their library.That we all have double standards?
I’m not saying I’m right or I’m wrong. I’m only saying that’s how I feel. People are saying Kyrie is wrong for promoting the movie, which im certainly not disagreeing with, bc he has a platform but it’s ok for Amazon to promote and profit from the movie when they also have a platform. I’m not defending Kyrie at all for this action as it was stupid to tweet that out.
Said no one on the internet. Ever.You guys are absolutely correct. I’m wrong and should shut up sometimes.
Even this is a stretch, IMO. You can thoroughly appreciate the company Tesla, and love their cars, while finding the owner to be a jackhole. Not sure that just because you own the product means you can't critique the ownerIf someone wants to blast Elon Musk, while driving a new Tesla, I'm much more inclined to see that as a double standard
To celebrate this momentous occasion I’m heading directly to Chic-Fil-A to enjoy some nuggets and waffle fries!! Today is a good day.Said no one on the internet. Ever.
Yes, you are/were wrong; kudos on copping to that and moving on.
How about your AK, did you have to use it today?To celebrate this momentous occasion I’m heading directly to Chic-Fil-A to enjoy some nuggets and waffle fries!! Today is a good day.
Well, really we should stop using money to buy anything unless we 100% agree with everything the US government does."If we are gonna stop buying brands because of politics the car market is getting pretty thin." ~ Henry Ford
Did you enjoy his "Jaylen for KD" rumor today, too?Here's Stephen A ripping Kyrie to shreds
View: https://youtu.be/YmKmyDGdLns
I enjoy Stephen A's act in very small doses but i enjoyed his "are we all on drugs" in this one
Is the bolded an intentional troll? If so, it's quite impressive; either way, it gave me a good laugh.To celebrate this momentous occasion I’m heading directly to Chic-Fil-A to enjoy some nuggets and waffle fries!! Today is a good day.
Piggybacking, but has anyone commented on the fact that Kyrie said he did his job, because the Nets are in 4th place?Is the bolded an intentional troll? If so, it's quite impressive; either way, it gave me a good laugh.
Three minor thoughts I haven't seen fully articulated that I thought I'd share:
- Kyrie wanting credit for having a good work ethic in the fucking NBA is pretty fucking juvenile; like the other guys in the league haven't put any work in and are just coasting on talent.
- Kyrie attacking the very basis of the identity of Jewish people in Brooklyn of all places and then feeling disrespected by Brooklyn is rich; he's lucky he didn't end up with his head on a stick.
- And this is the one that's really got me thinking: When Kyrie talks about the young team needing to learn to win and implying that that is something he could teach them (have taught them), do we think he ever imagined a future where he played Number Two to Tatum's Number One?
The second bullet, did Kyrie say he felt disrespected by the Nets org or the people of Brooklyn?Is the bolded an intentional troll? If so, it's quite impressive; either way, it gave me a good laugh.
Three minor thoughts I haven't seen fully articulated that I thought I'd share:
- Kyrie wanting credit for having a good work ethic in the fucking NBA is pretty fucking juvenile; like the other guys in the league haven't put any work in and are just coasting on talent.
- Kyrie attacking the very basis of the identity of Jewish people in Brooklyn of all places and then feeling disrespected by Brooklyn is rich; he's lucky he didn't end up with his head on a stick.
- And this is the one that's really got me thinking: When Kyrie talks about the young team needing to learn to win and implying that that is something he could teach them (have taught them), do we think he ever imagined a future where he played Number Two to Tatum's Number One?
I thought he just said "Brooklyn," so it could be just the team, but I'm not sure it matters given what the team had to put up with and deal with given his disrespect to a significant population of their home market.The second bullet, did Kyrie say he felt disrespected by the Nets org or the people of Brooklyn?
When healthy, the team was winning and Kyrie was voted an all star starter. I think you are conflating what is true and what you want to be true. I’m not a fan and was thrilled when the Celtics were freed from this guy. But people like him, that’s reality.I thought he just said "Brooklyn," so it could be just the team, but I'm not sure it matters given what the team had to put up with and deal with given his disrespect to a significant population of their home market.
Hmm. Not sure what I may have accidentally implied because I don’t deny any of that; what you describe is an empirical factWhen healthy, the team was winning and Kyrie was voted an all star starter. I think you are conflating what is true and what you want to be true. I’m not a fan and was thrilled when the Celtics were freed from this guy. But people like him, that’s reality.
And he neglects to mention that his work ethic has gotten some attention. I mean, it was big news when he went AWOL on the Nets and missed 7 games in 2021’; a stretch that finally ended after videos of him partying maskless (violating COVID protocols)in a club proliferated on social media. I’m sure his employers just loved being put in the embarrassing position of having to defend that after they had already had to admit that they had no idea where Kyrie was or why he disappeared. This guy is such an entitled prick. If any of us had his “work ethic” we’d be unemployable..Kyrie wanting credit for having a good work ethic in the fucking NBA is pretty fucking juvenile; like the other guys in the league haven't put any work in and are just coasting on talent.
It's fucking hilarious. Hey, the guy played 40 games for Brooklyn and left (demanded out of) his team in 4th place. What more do you want from him? That's a pretty good year by his recent standards.Piggybacking, but has anyone commented on the fact that Kyrie said he did his job, because the Nets are in 4th place?
He signed a 4 year deal, and ended up playing a total of 143 games (plus just 13 playoff games). He's a joke.It's fucking hilarious. Hey, the guy played 40 games for Brooklyn and left (demanded out of) his team in 4th place. What more do you want from him? That's a pretty good year by his recent standards.
The Nets paid him around $860k a game, around $22k a minute, and got exactly one playoff series win, against a hobbled Celtics team.He signed a 4 year deal, and ended up playing a total of 143 games (plus just 13 playoff games). He's a joke.
Wonder how excited KD is about the team-up at this point lolhttps://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270381/Kyrie-Irving-To-Suns-Could-Be-Revisited-In-Offseason
lol, less than a week and we already have Windhorst saying that Kyrie might want to go to the Suns after this season to team up with KD again