Logan Mankins traded to Tampa Bay
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Absolutely stunning news. Do they love Marcus Cannon at guard? Do they have another move to make?
The interior OL was shaky at best WITH Mankins. Now without him, it's an even bigger question mark. I mean, what the fuck here? I know they need a TE, but let's be real here. Logan Mankins was still the best OL on the team and it's a pretty major downgrade to the OL. Not sure why they did this, but I'll wait until Week 1 starting lineup to fully judge this move.
The interior OL was shaky at best WITH Mankins. Now without him, it's an even bigger question mark. I mean, what the fuck here? I know they need a TE, but let's be real here. Logan Mankins was still the best OL on the team and it's a pretty major downgrade to the OL. Not sure why they did this, but I'll wait until Week 1 starting lineup to fully judge this move.
My guess is that many here will be disappointed with the pick. I think Mankins was probably fairly close to a cut candidate in BB's eyes just based on performance vis-a-vis cap hit, so I don't expect the return package from Tampa to be super generous. He was certainly a lock to be cut or restructured (probably cut) next offseason.
Pats are still on the hook for Mankins' bonus, so the Bucs have him at something like 3 years / $20 MM with none of that guaranteed.Ed Hillel said:
They do, most teams just use up their "WTF?" move quotas on their head coach hiringE5 Yaz said:
Man, I love when Belichick trolls NFL fans.
I know nothing of Tim Wright, but the idea of a pass-cathing/running TE that can play the Hernandez roll and has good hands sounds pretty good for this team which is lacking in TE depth and still has Gronk questions. I would imagine that the pick is a 4th or 5th with upside to a 3rd at most - - gaining the cap space this year and next year is worth it alone though. Mankins has slipped pretty dramatically it seems the last couple of years and wasn't worth the money. And, you know, Revis Island now has a better chance of sticking around.
I know nothing of Tim Wright, but the idea of a pass-cathing/running TE that can play the Hernandez roll and has good hands sounds pretty good for this team which is lacking in TE depth and still has Gronk questions. I would imagine that the pick is a 4th or 5th with upside to a 3rd at most - - gaining the cap space this year and next year is worth it alone though. Mankins has slipped pretty dramatically it seems the last couple of years and wasn't worth the money. And, you know, Revis Island now has a better chance of sticking around.
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In a vacuum a 4th for Mankins is fair value so if Tim Wright adds anything this is a win. But if the OL is abused in the playoffs yet again does anyone care we have a 4th rd pick next season? Normally it makes sense to deal from a position of strength, I would not characterize the Pats interior OL as such.
I have a feeling there'll be plenty of Twitter fans and WEEI callers raging about this trade. You know, the kind of people who have absolutely no clue on how to accurately grade guard play, but will still offer their expert analysis and chastise Belichick anyway.
I noticed Mankins getting beat in pass protection more often after his ACL, but I can't tell you exactly how well/poorly he was doing. That being the case, I'll trust Belichcik on this one. Can't remember a single instance of him cutting bait with a highly regarded player and it coming back to bite him in the ass. We'll see.
I noticed Mankins getting beat in pass protection more often after his ACL, but I can't tell you exactly how well/poorly he was doing. That being the case, I'll trust Belichcik on this one. Can't remember a single instance of him cutting bait with a highly regarded player and it coming back to bite him in the ass. We'll see.
Wow. I thought Mankins was slipping and overpaid. Yet, I'm still surprised. I have no idea how to judge OL play, so we'll have to wait and see, but BB's history with these things is pretty good.
No, it will not matter. It's only a 4th and TB is 37.j44thor said:
There is no dimmer switch on this given where the team is right now. If the o-line plays well, it's fine. If it doesn't, that alone could well cost them a ring, so it would be a disaster.
Mankins was going to be cut after the season anyway, but this has the potential to look really bad if Mankins is decent and the Pats O-line is a problem.
Well he's not from Rutgers and those Super Bowls are in the what have you done for me lately category.E5 Yaz said:
Well, the pick wasn't high, so I guess they like Wright. And the other interior OL options. I'm not really a fan of this move, but we'll see.Super Nomario said:
Does BB make this trade if he doesn't feel the line will be just as productive without Mankins? Come on everyone, we are talking about Brady protection. Its one thing to sell high, its another when its about protecting their most important player. The Patriots must feel that the line will be fine without Mankins or they would not make this deal. I look at this as more of what BB feels he has on his roster, not what he is adding(which is a good haul)
I know they are very different players, but I think it's possible they are using Wright as Gronk insurance (from a TE passing production standpoint) in case he's not ready to until October or later...
Tim Wright is a matchup nightmare. I think the o-line will be fine without Mankins. I liked his "intangibles" like his mean streak and toughness but he hasn't been playing well since the injury. He wasn't going to be here next year and there's no time like the present to see how the team is going to play without him.
This kind of brings us full circle, since Mankins was one of the first ever "Wait, Who???" picks of the BB era. No one saw that coming back in 2005.
Wright has nowhere near Hernandez' agility and change-of-direction. Just 138 of his 571 yards last year was YAC; Hernandez was at like 50% for his career. That shows up in their Pro Day agility drills (3-cone: AH 6.83, TW 7.27; shuttle AH 4.18, TW 4.47).Mooch said:
Wright is just interesting enough for me to Trust in Bill on this one. But man does this make me nervous.
Perhaps this also means Stork is healthier than we thought and the coaches thinks he's ready to play a lot?
Perhaps this also means Stork is healthier than we thought and the coaches thinks he's ready to play a lot?
Christ this is...
A FREAKING WINNNER.
Yeah I hate to see Mankins go, but with his cap hit and declining play, getting Tim Wright is a coup. Damn it BB is a cold bastard. But really like the trade.
A FREAKING WINNNER.
Yeah I hate to see Mankins go, but with his cap hit and declining play, getting Tim Wright is a coup. Damn it BB is a cold bastard. But really like the trade.
Can anyone tell me how this trade helps the offensive line? Even post-ACL Mankins was the best OL on the team. Now you have Marcus Cannon in all likelihood at guard. Again, I will wait to judge this when Week 1 comes, but how does this help the OL?
amarshal2 said:
Did you even read the first part of my post?
Just because Gronk isn't on PUP doesn't mean he's going to play right away, or be anywhere near 100%.
They need help at the TE spot regardless of Gronks health if you really want to get down to brass tacks...