At least you’ll have a motivated pitcher. For someone with his body type, might not be the worst thing but, yeah, doesn’t solve the long term need. Hopefully another signing follows that does.So if he’s good, he’s gone in a year, and if not, we are stuck with him for two. Take what you can get, I guess, they avoid a long term commitment and add a youngish, durable pitcher, with some upside, but who is also probably a back end of the rotation starter? Seems like the strategy of the past few years has carried over to this year.
So if he’s good, he’s gone in a year, and if not, we are stuck with him for two. Take what you can get, I guess, they avoid a long term commitment and add a youngish, durable pitcher, with some upside, but who is also probably a back end of the rotation starter? Seems like the strategy of the past few years has carried over to this year.
So it could be a 3 year deal (potentially 3/56 based on this?) Kind of confusing..
The plan is they wanted Yamamoto, didn’t get him, and aren’t going to sell the farm or over commit to B tier pitchers just to satiate fans.I just don't get this FO at all. They consistently seem like there is no plan whatsoever.
Paying a guy who has had a 5 fip for the last few years real money when Sonny Gray was available for 3/75 just makes no godamn sense whatesoever. There's no real upside to this move. Even if he's good he just opts out. If he's bad, well you just paid $19m for a guy to be Corey Kluber all over again. But hey, we'll get to read that the Sox were 7th in payroll or whatever and that John Henry totally isn't an idiot.
Fine, but how does lighting money on fire for this guy help them in the short or long term, absent them being considerably better this year and him somehow having the 5 era that he's had the last two years?The plan is they wanted Yamamoto, didn’t get him, and aren’t going to sell the farm or over commit to B tier pitchers just to satiate fans.
It really only comes into play if he sucks in 2024 to the point he doesn't opt out after 2024 and then is hurt in 2025. If the team is exercising the $14 million option for 2026, then they've overpaid relative to production in the first two years.The 140 inning option is a nice insurance policy. Contract seems reasonable, now it's time for Bailey to earn his paycheck.
Gray also had the QO attached to himI just don't get this FO at all. They consistently seem like there is no plan whatsoever.
Paying a guy who has had a 5 fip for the last few years real money when Sonny Gray was available for 3/75 just makes no godamn sense whatesoever. There's no real upside to this move. Even if he's good he just opts out. If he's bad, well you just paid $19m for a guy to be Corey Kluber all over again. But hey, we'll get to read that the Sox were 7th in payroll or whatever and that John Henry totally isn't an idiot.
Because it looks like they're spending money. Bloom was good at this too. Finding "value" in lieu of superstars.Fine, but how does lighting money on fire for this guy help them in the short or long term, absent them being considerably better this year and him somehow having the 5 era that he's had the last two years?
Sell me on this not being a more expensive Corey Kluber.
And he wanted to go to STL. And he has a history of sucking in the AL East.Gray also had the QO attached to him
How’d all that value work out for us in the standings?Because it looks like they're spending money. Bloom was good at this too. Finding "value" in lieu of superstars.
If he’s performing like a #2, we’ll probably be in the playoff race ourselves.Best case scenario: Breslow knows how to get him back to performing like a #2, and we get something for him at the deadline.
They need people to pitch 1400+ innings and he can handle over 10% of them. His strikeout rate is still pretty good, too. He still might put up a 4.50 ERA, but he won't get hurt doing it.Fine, but how does lighting money on fire for this guy help them in the short or long term, absent them being considerably better this year and him somehow having the 5 era that he's had the last two years?
Sell me on this not being a more expensive Corey Kluber.
Echoing @DeadlySplitter above: 1/18 + QO draft pick or prospects at deadline or first crack at extension if he is good.So, 1/18 if he is good and 2/38 if he isn’t? Hooray?
It feels like neither side felt comfortable with a longer deal. The Sox, due to risk exposure, Giolito, because if he makes good he'll be able to do better.So it could be a 3 year deal (potentially 3/56 based on this?) Kind of confusing..
It's like the new mantra around here...I'm not wild about him but he will be helpful and the contract is fine.
Prospects are harder to come by than money.I really don’t like this. They say they don’t want to trade for rentals, but will essentially pay $20 million for 1 year of a guy who if pitches well will be out. Or if he sucks, they’re on the hook for up to 2 years more for him. Just go and pay premium prices for top talent.
Better than nothing I guess. Adding $20 million in 2025 doesn’t bother me much. Adding $20 million in 2025, but only if the player is worth less than $20 million does bother me.Echoing @DeadlySplitter above: 1/18 + QO draft pick or prospects at deadline or first crack at extension if he is good.
I'm not sure why it should. Martin, Jansen and (potentially) Sale come off the books after this year. There's plenty of room to maneuver.Better than nothing I guess. Adding $20 million in 2025 doesn’t bother me much. Adding $20 million in 2025, but only if the player is worth less than $20 million does bother me.
Yeah, I don't understand this behavior at all. It's not unique to the Red Sox, obviously, so it's not a criticism of Breslow particularly.So, 1/18 if he is good and 2/38 if he isn’t? Hooray?
This fits perfectly with the 2-3 year bridge project going on right now. If he is good at all, he will move on and the Red Sox will sign someone just like him next year for the following year. If he is bad, they will hope to at least get some innings out of him in year #2, then move on. Unless he is just terrible, this is a 1 year deal. This will probably be there big move on starting pitching this winter.I really do not understand the opt out logically, or emotionally. If Giolito is good, he is gone, and the Red Sox are stuck with him if he is a disaster. Hopefully Giolito wins the Cy Young and signs with the Dodgers for $40m I guess.
I'm totally in support of 2024 as a bridge year, but if they aren't serious about competing by 2025, something is very wrong.This fits perfectly with the 2-3 year bridge project going on right now.
Agreed.Hey this might help us finish 25 games out of first, not 26 - that’s not nothing.
It continues to feel like Boston is simply plugging holes with gum to field a team, not to get back to somewhat contendership, to me.