Hadn't thought of this, but you're right, it's awesome to think about. How insane would this be?As a fan of the game, I want United to return to playing attractive attacking football. As a supporter of other clubs, I worry about United righting the ship, although from what I understand many of the problems are more systemic. I love Pogba, Rashford, Lukaku, and a few other United players and I want them to at least enjoy the game again.
Billy Haisley wrote about United over at Deadspin, and he points out that Poch is a pipedream for United because Spurs are currently in a better situation and Real and Barca (I know Poch said he'd never go) would roll out a red carpet for him to come back to Spain. Zizou might actually be a good fit for this United, although I think he's stated that he wants to be back at Juve or managing France. Jardim is out of a job from what I can tell at the moment. Normally I'd float a name like Simeone, but I think he might be staying at Atleti for a long time. I think Di Francesco has done a solid job at Roma and is worth considering.
As for Mou, he could certainly still find work in the club world, likely in Italy or Portugal if he chooses. But, I think it would be ideal for him to manage a national team. His strict and conservative approach suits the international game and he could still run circles around managers in that circuit. That being said, I wouldn't want him managing Argentina, but I think the US would be silly not to at least knock on his door. His cult of personality would likely be a hit for our media-driven culture here.
If only US Soccer had been more patient and didn't rush to snap up Berhalter...Hadn't thought of this, but you're right, it's awesome to think about. How insane would this be?
This is the quote from Haisley:As a fan of the game, I want United to return to playing attractive attacking football. As a supporter of other clubs, I worry about United righting the ship, although from what I understand many of the problems are more systemic. I love Pogba, Rashford, Lukaku, and a few other United players and I want them to at least enjoy the game again.
Billy Haisley wrote about United over at Deadspin, and he points out that Poch is a pipedream for United because Spurs are currently in a better situation and Real and Barca (I know Poch said he'd never go) would roll out a red carpet for him to come back to Spain. Zizou might actually be a good fit for this United, although I think he's stated that he wants to be back at Juve or managing France. Jardim is out of a job from what I can tell at the moment. Normally I'd float a name like Simeone, but I think he might be staying at Atleti for a long time. I think Di Francesco has done a solid job at Roma and is worth considering.
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Tottenham has a better squad right now, but to say it is a better situation and has a better outlook than United is ridiculous. I am not saying the board doesn't make a lot of mistakes. They do. But if they do it right, they could absolutely make a package that would entice Pochettino. Obviously, money is the first consideration. United could easily double his salary at Spurs. Secondly, if a Director of Football is hired that Pochettino likes (rumors are already flying that they want to get Paul Mitchel who Poch has worked closely with at Southampton and Spurs) then that could entice him as well. Thirdly, there have been stories at Poch being annoyed at the lack of net spend that Spurs have. Here that wouldn't be a problem. You could argue that Poch has done as well as he could with the Tottenham team, but at United he'd have a chance at building a perennial title challenging squad. The Real and Barca point is a decent one, but again he said he'd never manage Barca and rumors are point to Real going after Conte or Mourinho.For United, the future is much murkier. The club has yet to name an interim manager, and reports say that their preferred choice to guide the team for the rest of the season is French legend and former Red Devil himself, Laurent Blanc. Other reports make clear that United’s dream hire for the next full-time gig is Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino. The Blanc stuff is fine and sensible, but the Pochettino thing is ridiculous in exactly the way Man United have become ridiculous.
Why on earth would Pochettino risk his considerable reputation by joining the most reputation-wrecking club in the world? United might have once, not that long ago, been one of the two or three most coveted jobs in the world, but not anymore. Now there are at least a half-dozen clubs any right-thinking manager would prioritize over the cursed United gig—and Tottenham are one of them.
United’s pursuit of Pochettino fits the same pattern of way too much of United’s thinking over the past few years: the delusional chase for a someone almost certainly outside their grasp in hopes that this person can serve as a cure-all for the deep rot the club’s decision-makers behave as if they are oblivious to. There’s not a single good reason why Pochettino should want to become Manchester United’s next manager, especially not when he could snap his fingers and get the Real Madrid or Barcelona job tomorrow if he wanted to. But regardless of who is in charge of United next season, unless the board starts making some serious changes to the way it conducts its business, United’s future will look more like the present than the past.
Doesn't meet 1 of the only 2 requirements for the job.If only US Soccer had been more patient and didn't rush to snap up Berhalter...
You're correct about that, but the other point I've seen made is that Tottenham is essentially Pochettino FC right now. Why would he risk that?Tottenham has a better squad right now, but to say it is a better situation and has a better outlook than United is ridiculous. I am not saying the board doesn't make a lot of mistakes. They do. But if they do it right, they could absolutely make a package that would entice Pochettino. Obviously, money is the first consideration. United could easily double his salary at Spurs. Secondly, if a Director of Football is hired that Pochettino likes (rumors are already flying that they want to get Paul Mitchel who Poch has worked closely with at Southampton and Spurs) then that could entice him as well. Thirdly, there have been stories at Poch being annoyed at the lack of net spend that Spurs have. Here that wouldn't be a problem. You could argue that Poch has done as well as he could with the Tottenham team, but at United he'd have a chance at building a perennial title challenging squad. The Real and Barca point is a decent one, but again he said he'd never manage Barca and rumors are point to Real going after Conte or Mourinho.
Pochettino should be the number 1 candidate. If they can't get him, Zidane would be most interesting because I honestly have no idea how good of a tactician he is. I could have managed Ronaldo, Kroos, and Modric to a few trophies.
No matter what, the club has to get a player's manager. Poch and Zidane fit that. Conte I don't think would.
As an Everton fan...
You can all tell me to sit down and stop drinking now.
Maybe drink more because man are you gonna be disappointed.As an Everton fan, I'm scared that Poch to ManU then means Silva to Spurs.
If I've got my Everton glasses on I think that Everton may be a better job in the near future (3-5 years out). The owners have signaled that they want to spend money AND build a new stadium, whereas Spurs seem reluctant to pay in the transfer market. With their core group being younger, Everton can be said to be on the way up whereas the current iteration of Spurs may have peaked.
You can all tell me to sit down and stop drinking now.
I actually think Poch would not be a good fit at all at Man Utd unless they were totally willing to remake the club in his image, which I don't think they will. Poch is very much a my-way-or-the-high-way guy who hasn't really had to deal as much with strong egos and independent power centers in the dressing room. Partly that's because Spurs' best players were for the most part developed internally or bought cheaply (Kane, Eriksen, Alli), so they weren't big stars before Poch got there, and Levy mostly avoids the Mendes/Raiola clients. The players who have gotten too big for their britches (e.g. Walker, Rose, Alderweireld) have all gotten frozen out and lost power struggles, but Poch can get away with that at Spurs in a way he probably can't at United. It also helps a lot that Spurs' best player and tone-setter is an internal youth product with a strong work ethic. If Harry Kane isn't complaining about being underpaid (Kane's new deal is 150k/week, which he could probably double in a heartbeat at a richer club) or double fitness sessions or being played outside his preferred tactical role, it's hard for anyone else to complain.This is the quote from Haisley:
Tottenham has a better squad right now, but to say it is a better situation and has a better outlook than United is ridiculous. I am not saying the board doesn't make a lot of mistakes. They do. But if they do it right, they could absolutely make a package that would entice Pochettino. Obviously, money is the first consideration. United could easily double his salary at Spurs. Secondly, if a Director of Football is hired that Pochettino likes (rumors are already flying that they want to get Paul Mitchel who Poch has worked closely with at Southampton and Spurs) then that could entice him as well. Thirdly, there have been stories at Poch being annoyed at the lack of net spend that Spurs have. Here that wouldn't be a problem. You could argue that Poch has done as well as he could with the Tottenham team, but at United he'd have a chance at building a perennial title challenging squad. The Real and Barca point is a decent one, but again he said he'd never manage Barca and rumors are point to Real going after Conte or Mourinho.
Pochettino should be the number 1 candidate. If they can't get him, Zidane would be most interesting because I honestly have no idea how good of a tactician he is. I could have managed Ronaldo, Kroos, and Modric to a few trophies.
No matter what, the club has to get a player's manager. Poch and Zidane fit that. Conte I don't think would.
Hahahaahaha. You Toffees are cute. Spurs have Champions League football, a brand-new stadium in London (assuming it ever actually opens), close to double Everton's revenue, and at least 5-6 players who are all better than any single player in Everton's current squad or anyone Everton is likely to sign in the near future. Everton's most expensive signing and best creative player is a Spurs cast-off that Spurs dumped because he couldn't get in the team (and he still wouldn't). Silva leaves for Spurs in a heartbeat if the option is there.As an Everton fan, I'm scared that Poch to ManU then means Silva to Spurs.
If I've got my Everton glasses on I think that Everton may be a better job in the near future (3-5 years out). The owners have signaled that they want to spend money AND build a new stadium, whereas Spurs seem reluctant to pay in the transfer market. With their core group being younger, Everton can be said to be on the way up whereas the current iteration of Spurs may have peaked.
You can all tell me to sit down and stop drinking now.
Maybe this is a separate topic, but assuming every club had no manager what would be the most desirable football clubs to manage?I don't understand the thought that says Spurs is Poch FC. He has repeatedly said he cannot buy the players he wants and that because of the new stadium he is operating on a restricted budget. That does not sound like someone who is in total control of his squad.
Of course he'd need a few seasons to get the deadwood out and tailor his team to his system. I'm not sure anyone would expect anything different. It's not like Mourinho wasn't given enough time, his team just went backwards over the course of a few seasons. "United's crew of overpaid coddled millionaires". Come on. Is there anyone who thinks that Mourinho coddled anyone? Are a few overpaid? Definitely.
I think players like Pogba, Rashford, Lindelof, and Martial would benefit greatly from him coming in. It's difficult to say the pressing system is an awful fit for the current personnel when Mourinho's philosophy was the exact opposite. How can we know if its a bad fit?
Look, it probably won't happen because I don't think Woodward has the intelligence to deal with Levy. But Poch should, and would, be interested in the job. At the end of the day I've gotten used to the board not doing anything right so I'm assuming during the summer we'll be hiring someone like....I dunno, Conte or Blanc. But the job is still desirable for the right type of manager.
I don’t follow the EPL as fiercely as many here, but I haven’t been this confused since City’s initial spending spree led posters to proclaim those player we’re making a mistake - City may have been offerering more money, but it was a club without prestige.I don't understand the thought that says Spurs is Poch FC.
Fully agreed.I don’t follow the EPL as fiercely as many here, but I haven’t been this confused since City’s initial spending spree led posters to proclaim those player we’re making a mistake - City may have been offerering more money, but it was a club without prestige.
Managers and players aren’t hot properties forever. Few clubs in the world can match United’s revenues. The issue has been their management. They are throwing spaghetti on the wall and wondering why it isn’t sticking. If control over the roster matters to Pochettino, he will get more of that at United than Madrid. Madrid holds a similar opinion to their managers as Billy Beane holds his. He would manage the players they want there and have no input.
United clearly has a higher ceiling than Spurs. I don’t even comprehend how anyone could think otherwise. Spurs at their best competes for the FA Cup and the top 4, while United would be on the shortlist of EPL and CL favorites.
Te weird part to Paul Mitchell, for anyone who doesn't closely follow Spurs, he doesn't work well with Poch. Poch basically got him fired from Tottenham and took over control. ManU hiring him is a boon for Poch staying at Spurs.I think we’ll know Manchester United is serious again when Woodward is gently ushered away from the football side of their management structure back into the loving arms of only doing commercial deals.
United have vastly more resources than Spurs, but unless Poch or someone who knows about football and is simpatico with Poch is in control of those resources, the amount of good they can do is limited.
If Paul Mitchell or someone similar actually takes that role and if Woodward isn't still above him with the final say based on how the player fits into the Asian tire endorsement market, then I'd be worried as a fan of other clubs.
Maybe he'd have more input at ManU than Madrid. But the comparison right now is ManU and Tottenham. He has full control and deals directly with Levy on all players. No board, no other player talent voices, just Poch and Levy. He's also one of the higher paid managers in the EPL. I'm sure ManU would raise the salary, but Spurs are paying him (they just don't pay for players).I don’t follow the EPL as fiercely as many here, but I haven’t been this confused since City’s initial spending spree led posters to proclaim those player we’re making a mistake - City may have been offerering more money, but it was a club without prestige.
Managers and players aren’t hot properties forever. Few clubs in the world can match United’s revenues. The issue has been their management. They are throwing spaghetti on the wall and wondering why it isn’t sticking. If control over the roster matters to Pochettino, he will get more of that at United than Madrid. Madrid holds a similar opinion to their managers as Billy Beane holds his. He would manage the players they want there and have no input.
United clearly has a higher ceiling than Spurs. I don’t even comprehend how anyone could think otherwise. Spurs at their best competes for the FA Cup and the top 4, while United would be on the shortlist of EPL and CL favorites.
I'm surprised by this move. I don't think Fellaini is an awesome player or anything, but he was frequently selected to play in the MF. I guess OGS didn't expect to play him much and this saves United some GBP??Fellaini sold to China.