Matt Barnes sent down

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Why not Wright? He wasn't dazzling in his starts, but he was serviceable. I think Masterson had his shot at starting and now it's time to see what he can do from the pen.
I keep forgetting he exists. I'd much prefer to see him than Masterson.

And I'd agree with the other post saying LAA and HOU would be a crappy way to debut.
 

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We don't know if Barnes is a failed middle reliever (ultimately).  He has been a failed middle reliever thus far, but he has the stuff to be a quality relief pitcher.  It just hasn't happened yet.
 
Yes.
 
Barnes has pitched 22ish RP innings this year. He has an above average SwStr% and has been sitting over 95 with the fastball with a sub-10% BB%. He has a career 3.61 SIERA in 31 MLB innings. He's struck out nearly 1/3 of the guys he faced in AAA this season out of the pen.
 
Yes, the 6 HRs he's allowed have been ill-timed and obnoxious. But other than those, there's still a healthy, late inning RP upside there. Whether or not that profile was a good use of a 1st round pick is water under the bridge at this point.
 

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After making 10 relief appearances since returning to Pawtucket, Matt Barnes is starting for PawSox on Wednesday
 

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After making 10 relief appearances since returning to Pawtucket, Matt Barnes is starting for PawSox on Wednesday
That's interesting. I wonder if that's because they rent to get him some starts before next year or if it's a depth move after the Johnson injury.
 

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I don't get it. Seems like another example of them making it up as they go. If they still thought Barnes could be a starter, why dick around with him in the pen and then shift gears in August?
 
Perhaps because Brian Johnson just went on the DL and the Sox just called up Owens, so the Pawtucket rotation is a bit ashambles?
 

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Perhaps because Brian Johnson just went on the DL and the Sox just called up Owens, so the Pawtucket rotation is a bit ashambles?
No way, it's gotta be incompetence.
 

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Perhaps because Brian Johnson just went on the DL and the Sox just called up Owens, so the Pawtucket rotation is a bit ashambles?
Why would this matter? If the PawSox have a hole in their rotation...so? Just sign some street FA or non-prospect or something before messing up a player's development. Even if that player is close to a non-prospect himself.
 

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Why would this matter? If the PawSox have a hole in their rotation...so? Just sign some street FA or non-prospect or something before messing up a player's development. Even if that player is close to a non-prospect himself.
 
Aren't we past "development" for Barnes at this point?  Is starting a couple/few games for the month Pawtucket has left in their season going to ruin his ability to be a reliever for them or the Red Sox in the future?
 

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Why would this matter? If the PawSox have a hole in their rotation...so? Just sign some street FA or non-prospect or something before messing up a player's development. Even if that player is close to a non-prospect himself.
Because it's not actually that easy to sign someone on the fly who will be available to pitch on Wednesday?

3/5th of the starting rotation is in Boston. Johnson is on the DL. They'll probably call up William Cuevas for Friday. They had a bullpen game on Monday (Edwin Escobar started) and they have Zeke Spruill starting.

This stuff happens in a minor league season. It's not incompetence, it's life. Don't over think it.
 

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And there's a better than zero chance that this "start" will also be a "bullpen game" as they only used 1 reliever last night.  Don't be surprised if he's pulled after 3 innings even if he's doing well.
 
Someone has to be "The Starter" for every game.  It's a rule.
 

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Remember when we were all the most excited for Barnes in that draft class?  Baseball's funny.
 
Anyway, like I others I don't think this is indicative of anything much other than the absence of useful pitchers in the high minors after the off-season's trades.
 

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Not agreeing.

He was dominate until AA when hitters figured out his change had a different spin then the fastball. He fixed the spin, however the change was never the same.

It is unfortunate, not Incompetent

http://salemsox.mlblogs.com/2012/06/06/matt-barnes-changing-up-his-changeup/
 
Ahem. That's "dominant." "Dominate" would mean people were dominating him.
 
Also, I think you mean high-A. It was in Salem, early in his first pro season, that he made the change you describe. So if he was dominant before that, it was only for a handful of starts in Greenville. And it's not particularly surprising that a 22-year-old college pitcher would dominate in low-A.
 
Since then, other than the awesome K rate, he's been a pretty ordinary pitcher, results-wise. So it shouldn't be a shock that he's been somewhat less than ordinary vs. big league hitters. 
 

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Yeah, Barnes isn't very far from being in the "Just sign some FA off the street to make the start" category anyway. He's long past prospect stage at this point, I think. He's never consistently gotten AAA hitters out. That's a prerequisite for pitching in the majors.
 

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And there's a better than zero chance that this "start" will also be a "bullpen game" as they only used 1 reliever last night.  Don't be surprised if he's pulled after 3 innings even if he's doing well.
 
Someone has to be "The Starter" for every game.  It's a rule.
 
3 1/3 innings.  But they weren't very pretty
 

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In Barnes' mind, that was less about stuff than about some good Cleveland swings. He didn’t mention poor defense behind him, but that’s because he was being polite. Three of the Indians' five hits were plays that should have been made, including a bunt that Barnes himself couldn’t field cleanly. (This is another byproduct of the team's pitiful defense this season: Not only is it affecting game outcomes, but it's obfuscating proper pitcher evaluation. If Hanley Ramirez makes a catch in left field on Monday, Barnes' start looks very different.)
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150817/SPORTS/150819371/14009
 

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In Barnes' mind, that was less about stuff than about some good Cleveland swings. He didn’t mention poor defense behind him, but that’s because he was being polite. Three of the Indians' five hits were plays that should have been made, including a bunt that Barnes himself couldn’t field cleanly. (This is another byproduct of the team's pitiful defense this season: Not only is it affecting game outcomes, but it's obfuscating proper pitcher evaluation. If Hanley Ramirez makes a catch in left field on Monday, Barnes' start looks very different.)
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150817/SPORTS/150819371/14009
 


He sounded sort of upbeat about it. I suppose there were some things to like before the roof fell in.