McQuaid re-ups, 4 years @ $2.75m AAV - or: Today, we are all MikeFord
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They may as well just draft a one-legged flamingo in the draft so it can take McQuaid's minutes when he gets hurt, or completely sucks, or both.
Because that what McQuaid does at this point.
Because that what McQuaid does at this point.
It's been two hours, and I can still not believe this deal happened.
Even if I had known yesterday Dougie would be gone next season, I could have found some way to have been okay with that (though not for what they got back), because I just knew McQuaid was gone too.
And then they went and did this.
Even if I had known yesterday Dougie would be gone next season, I could have found some way to have been okay with that (though not for what they got back), because I just knew McQuaid was gone too.
And then they went and did this.
veritas said:
Do we know how much Chia likes McQuaid? Can he even be traded at this point? Am I beyond the point of rational thought? Am I channeling Rudy Pemberton?
I feel like Sweeney pooped in the fridge and ate a whole wheel of cheese. I don't even know what to think.
Over the past 8 years or so, we've all joked and argued and stuff at the margins of what was actually a pretty awesome fan experience. When you and I had lunch before last season, we both said that it feel like that window was closing.
Sweeney just bolted a fucking titanium shell to the front of the house. This is insane.
Over the past 8 years or so, we've all joked and argued and stuff at the margins of what was actually a pretty awesome fan experience. When you and I had lunch before last season, we both said that it feel like that window was closing.
Sweeney just bolted a fucking titanium shell to the front of the house. This is insane.
I don't think either of us would have guessed the velocity at which the window was closing though.Myt1 said:
4 years ago we had just won a cup, had two top ten picks in our system, had Tuukka waiting in the wings, Lucic looked like he was about to become Neely-lite, Horton was a proven playoff scorer...we were set.
Seguin is gone, Hamilton is gone, Lucic is gone, Horton is out of the NHL...the Bruins missed the playoffs, and the team could currently be considered in the bottom 5 in the league.
4 yearrs.
BUT WE STILL HAVE MCQUAID!
Yeah, we were, like, wistful and stuff.
Now I just kinda want to listen to death metal. I'm so glad that TFP and I don't live together anymore, because tonight we wouldn't be good to ourselves.
Now I just kinda want to listen to death metal. I'm so glad that TFP and I don't live together anymore, because tonight we wouldn't be good to ourselves.
Maybe this is part of a plan to throw shit on the ice for the next four seasons to pick up high draft picks. Thats pretty much all I got.
Just a gentle reminder that before he got hurt, many on this board thought McQuaid and Boychuck were redundant and that McQuaid's game was a real asset to the Bruins' game. He was always Darth Quaider and there was great relish in here for the punishment he dished out. That guy could come back—the FO sure seems to be betting he will. To be clear, I am in no way defending the moves taken together, I am gut punched as many as anybody here—just trying to see what these guys with light years more experience and knowledge are seeing as they make these seismic moves.TheShynessClinic said:
Two different people asked me what i thought about the Hamilton deal today, and both times all I could do was immediately switch the topic to this deal, because this is substantially fundamentally horrific move. 2.75x4 for a guy (who I do believe has some legit value) who is at his ceiling your #4, and in reality has been basically hurt for 1.5 years. And you have a perfectly equivalent replacement in house for less.
FUCK.
FUCK.
Whoever suggested McQuaid could replace Boychuk? Boychuk is better in every facet of hockey except for fighting and Boychuk wasn't terrible at that.catomatic said:
McQuaid is only a 4 on a non playoff team. He is a healthy scratch on the majority of playoff teams this past year.
I pulled some numbers...this is over the last three years at even strength, minimum 1000 minutes:
Among 225 D-men, McQuaid is:
178th in P/60 (Miller is 174th)
tied for 175 in penalty differential at -23 (Miller is tied for 40th)
94th in CF%, due to being on a good possession team (Miller is 108th)
163rd in CF% Rel (Miller is 219th, Seidenberg is 216th, ouch)
191st in TOIC% (measuring strength of opponents he's been on ice for) (Miller is 181st)
72nd in ZSO% (percent of zone starts in offensive zone vs. defensive zone) (Miller is 17th) - he starts in the offensive zone more often than the defensive zone
So, it backs up what we thought...he can't generate points and is a possession sink, even though Chara, Boychuk and Hamilton have taken all the tough matchups and defensive draws. Additionally, his numbers and style of play are pretty comparable to Miller who they signed as an undrafted guy and who is going to make less than half as much as him. Hockey players who can't skate or pass well aren't that hard to find.
Apart from any other move, the signing just speaks to a base misunderstanding of what wins hockey games.
Among 225 D-men, McQuaid is:
178th in P/60 (Miller is 174th)
tied for 175 in penalty differential at -23 (Miller is tied for 40th)
94th in CF%, due to being on a good possession team (Miller is 108th)
163rd in CF% Rel (Miller is 219th, Seidenberg is 216th, ouch)
191st in TOIC% (measuring strength of opponents he's been on ice for) (Miller is 181st)
72nd in ZSO% (percent of zone starts in offensive zone vs. defensive zone) (Miller is 17th) - he starts in the offensive zone more often than the defensive zone
So, it backs up what we thought...he can't generate points and is a possession sink, even though Chara, Boychuk and Hamilton have taken all the tough matchups and defensive draws. Additionally, his numbers and style of play are pretty comparable to Miller who they signed as an undrafted guy and who is going to make less than half as much as him. Hockey players who can't skate or pass well aren't that hard to find.
Apart from any other move, the signing just speaks to a base misunderstanding of what wins hockey games.
Toe Nash said:
Great summary. Cam and Donnie must think it's still 1990. TOUGH! PHYSICAL! SIZE! BRUINS!
They're outing themselves as fossils. It's a shame.
Well they traded Lucic so that can't be it.
The McQuaid signing is easily the worst of Friday's moves.
The McQuaid signing is easily the worst of Friday's moves.
I think they traded Lucic more because he's got one year left and will want $8 million than for any indictment of his hockey skills.
And the Lucic trade was the one move that actually made sense over the last week.
And the Lucic trade was the one move that actually made sense over the last week.
Oh, I agree on both points. The Looch deal was a good one. My post was a weak attempt at gallows humor about Cam and Don not having any sort of a direction.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I think the lucic trade had more to do with contract than their desire to move on. I read that they discussed an extension with lucic and he wanted 8 years but they were only comfortable with five.cshea said:
A five year extension for lucic may have been worse than the mcquaid contract.
I agree with toe Nash that they simply don't understand that the game has evolved.
They would rather have physical shot blockers instead of quicker d that focus on getting the puck out instead of punishing the opponent.
I get why they traded Hamilton. I don't agree with it, but I get that they think he's a $5 million defenseman and he wanted $7-$8 so they traded him. They didn't get enough for him, but at least I get the logic behind it. I liked the Lucic trade. I thought they got value for a declining player going into his walk year, and they weren't interested in paying into his 30's. Again I get this move. The McQuaid deal is just stupid and illogical on so many different levels. The guy can't stay healthy, and even when he is, he's slow & unskilled. They have a guy in house to do his job for $900k. I would rather see them play a bottom 4 of Morrow, Trotman, Kug and Miller then this guy. His only redeeming quality is that he occasionally punches someone in the face, but guess what Miller can do that as well, and for a third of the cap hit. This one makes the Chris Kelly deal look good.
I agree with all of this. Don't forget Colin Miller who they got in the Lucic trade as well. As the dust has settled on the weekend, this deal just angers me beyond any other because it is completely nonsensical (and I hated and disagreed with the Dougie trade obviously).Salem's Lot said:
I've said it before, but my biggest gripe is that you can't have Kevan Miller and McQuaid on the ice at the same time. Therefore, you're guaranteed one in your top 4 and that is just unacceptable to me.
I'd much prefer to see:
Chara - Seidenberg
Krug - TBD (Seabrook???)
Morrow/Trotman/Miller/Miller combination
Krug has proven that he's capable of playing top 4 mins last year, and I want to see that continue this year so that he progresses. They have the money to acquire another top 4 D which they desperately need and they have a bunch of guys who can fill out the bottom pairing.
McQuaid does not fit into this picture.
I don't think we will ever come to understand this one.The Four Peters said:
I think I may be more optimistic than you on Trotman - I think he can potentially be a legitimate top 4 guy, based on what he showed at the end of last year.
Which only makes the McQuaid signing all the more inexplicable.
Also, on a per game played basis, he might end up costing as much as Dougie.
I like Krug but he was incredibly sheltered. He had the 60th-easiest competition (of 220 D with 400+ ES minutes) last year and only 23.7% of his zone starts were in the defensive zone (13th in the league in ZSO%.
That's fine when you have Hamilton and Chara but I'm not sure Krug has really proven yet he can play top 4 minutes. Maybe he can do it and Claude just hasn't had to try, but it's currently an unresolved question.
That's fine when you have Hamilton and Chara but I'm not sure Krug has really proven yet he can play top 4 minutes. Maybe he can do it and Claude just hasn't had to try, but it's currently an unresolved question.
Toe Nash said:
It's fair to say Krug is unproven in a top 4 role, but "unproven in a top 4 role" is different from "sucking in a top 4 role" as we can say about Dennis Seidenberg in 2014-15. (And I think the low percentage of defensive zone starts is at least as much about trying to put him in the offensive zone as it is about keeping him out of the defensive zone.) If they had had both Krug and a less offensively skilled clone of Krug on the team last year, Krug would have had more offensive zone starts than his clone.
Also, last year the Bruins, as a whole, looked as bad in their own zone as they have since the Dave Lewis year, and Krug did not really stand out as being the cause of that. Maybe he should have had more minutes against better competition.
Fluto's getting salty about this deal, and that's interesting because he hardly ever gets this way:
I noticed the same (recent) tone on Fluto's pieces. I know this was an On Hockey column and not necessarily a report, but this sounds like a bit of a role change.
Has he officially taken over the hockey columnist role from KPD, and is he no longer considered a beat reporter anymore, or is this a (cynical) attempt by the Globe to have him opine for clicks?
His follow-up comment on Rinaldo ("Rinaldo skates very well despite the Department of Player Safety-issued ankle bracelet he’s required to wear.") was also top notch.
Amalie B. is considered the B's beat reporter as well, but if I recall correctly she doesn't always travel with the team.
Has he officially taken over the hockey columnist role from KPD, and is he no longer considered a beat reporter anymore, or is this a (cynical) attempt by the Globe to have him opine for clicks?
His follow-up comment on Rinaldo ("Rinaldo skates very well despite the Department of Player Safety-issued ankle bracelet he’s required to wear.") was also top notch.
Amalie B. is considered the B's beat reporter as well, but if I recall correctly she doesn't always travel with the team.