Mets don't acquire Carlos Gomez

jon abbey

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Dunno, I'd say that Joel Sherman did nothing wrong, literally one minute after the tweet cited there, he tweeted this:
 
https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/626557450876022784
 
And Leitch ignores the major point, both teams had agreed to the deal pending physicals, and then the Mets backed out based on something only they allegedly saw, since he was traded to the Astros the next day, no problem. The Brewers told Gomez he'd been traded to the Mets, they believed the deal was done. The Mets are certainly within their rights to back out of a deal at any time and for any reason before it is fully signed off on, but IMO it's poor etiquette to seemingly create a false narrative about a player's health along the way, if that's indeed what happened here. 
 

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the actual smart move would have been to not try to make the deal to begin with because it made the Mets look bad for backing out at the last second for alleged health reasons,
 
 
True, it would have been better if the Mets turned down the deal from the start, realizing that Wheeler and Flores were too good to give up for a guy who will soon break the bank in free agency.  But once they realized that the deal was not in their long term best interest, they did what most other organizations would do: they found a way to get out of the deal.
 
The Mets may not have shown the most "class" at the trade deadline, but they were the trade deadline's biggest winners.  They picked up two useful bench pieces, a needed bullpen arm, and a middle of the order bat and didn't give up all that much in return, with the exception of Fulmer, a good prospect but not an elite one (the same could be said for Meisner).
 
What the Blue Jays did was pretty interesting and will probably get them into the playoffs, but they traded away some high upside players in the process.  The Mets were able to make significant improvements without giving away elite talent.
 
Looking at his entire Mets tenure, Alderson has done an excellent job overall considering the financial constraints he has had to work under.  The one blunder that stands out was the Cuddyer signing, an older declining player who cost the Mets a valuable first round draft pick.
 

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FanSinceBoggs said:
 
True, it would have been better if the Mets turned down the deal from the start, realizing that Wheeler and Flores were too good to give up for a guy who will soon break the bank in free agency.  But once they realized that the deal was not in their long term best interest, they did what most other organizations would do: they found a way to get out of the deal.
 
The Mets may not have shown the most "class" at the trade deadline, but they were the trade deadline's biggest winners.  They picked up two useful bench pieces, a needed bullpen arm, and a middle of the order bat and didn't give up all that much in return, with the exception of Fulmer, a good prospect but not an elite one (the same could be said for Meisner).
 
What the Blue Jays did was pretty interesting and will probably get them into the playoffs, but they traded away some high upside players in the process.  The Mets were able to make significant improvements without giving away elite talent.
 
Looking at his entire Mets tenure, Alderson has done an excellent job overall considering the financial constraints he has had to work under.  The one blunder that stands out was the Cuddyer signing, an older declining player who cost the Mets a valuable first round draft pick.
 
I agree with almost all of this.
 
Mets are still a highly dysfunctional organization, but Alderson has done an impressive job with one and a half hands tied behind his back.
 

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To be fair, Minaya left him with an insane amount of young talent: Harvey, DeGrom, Matz, Duda, Familia, Flores, Lagares all drafted by Minaya. Alderson traded Collin McHugh for Eric Young, let Chris Young (as good as any hitter in MLB against LHP this year) go, let Justin Turner and his .900+ OPS over the last two years go for nothing, I'm sure there are others I'm missing.
 
I'll agree that he gets some credit for operating under the restrictions ownership has put on him, and I guess he gets credit for not trading away any of the young pitching that Minaya left him with, but let's also not forget they're in by far the worst division in baseball this year, with three other teams who are actively tanking and an underachieving Nats team. They're 30-17 against the East and 28-33 against the rest of baseball, FWIW. 
 

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FanSinceBoggs said:
 
 
Looking at his entire Mets tenure, Alderson has done an excellent job overall considering the financial constraints he has had to work under.  The one blunder that stands out was the Cuddyer signing, an older declining player who cost the Mets a valuable first round draft pick.
 
I like the job Sandy has done but there have been far more than one blunder that stands out. The Cuddyer one is likely the worst.
 
The 2011/12 offseason was a shitshow nightmare. Trading Angel Pagan for Andres Torres and Ramon Ramirez? Signing Frank Francisco to a 2 yr/$12 million deal?
 
Other Sandy goofs:
-Signing Chris Young to a 1 year/$7 million deal. He was the first free agent signed that offseason and the way the market went, he likely could have been had for a 1/3 of that if Sandy just waited.
-Signing Shaun Marcum to a 1 year/$4 million deal
 
Now, if the Wilpons (the real villain of this story) had even a normal budget for this team, then these kind of signing aren't so bad but when you are playing with a barebones payroll, you can't make those kind of mistakes. Also, don't forget he was bailed out by the Indians when they gave Michael Bourn an extra year to that shitty contract.
 
Having said all that, Sandy's done a great job. Just trying to be accurate.
 

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The Pagan trade was problematic.  I don’t have an issue with the Young signing.  If he performed at the level he is currently performing with the Yankees (123 OPS+ and excellent defense) that signing would have worked out for the Mets.  (I just realized that Chris Young is having a better season than Hanley Ramirez at a fraction of the cost, and, unlike Hanley, Chris Young can actually play the OF -- how humiliating).
 
Overall, there were other mistakes besides the Cuddyer signing but lower level blunders, not the kinds of disasters we see with Cherington—giving a pitcher like Lackey away for free (it’s actually worse than that), signing Castillo to a 70 milllion dollar contract, and the sequence of moves that led to the Hanley signing and Porcello extension (trading Cespedes away, a quality LF, and replacing him with someone who can’t play the position).
 
Alderson’s best trades had to be the Toronto trade and the Beltran trade.  Even though guys like Harvey and deGrom were already in the system, two integral pieces of the starting rotation were brought in by Alderson (Syndergaard and Wheeler).  I suppose it could be argued that Alderson should have traded Wright, just as he traded away Reyes.  The problem with holding on to Wright was that a few of his prime years were wasted as the Mets were rebuilding.  Meanwhile, when the Mets were projected to be good again, Wright would be a few years older and entering a period of decline.  Fast forward to the 2015 season and this is exactly how it played out.  With that said, there were other reasons why the Mets kept Wright: face of the franchise, connection to the fan base, and they wanted Wright to help lead the younger players.
 
This off-season will be an important test for Alderson.  The Mets have a championship caliber starting staff, but can Alderson build a championship caliber team around that staff?  They need a starting SS and another bat.  He has taken the Mets this far, it’ll be interesting to see if the organization can sustain it.