I don't know what a similar package is yet, but probably. It's complicated though and depends somewhat on whether DJ is coming back or not.JA would you have wanted the Yankees to offer a similar package?
And again, whether the Indians would trade them to the Yankees. Which is always in doubt.I don't know what a similar package is yet, but probably. It's complicated though and depends somewhat on whether DJ is coming back or not.
Steve Cohen's cash will render for "for now" moot.At least Sox and Yankees fans can agree this is good news and keeps Lindor out of Toronto. For now.
It will be interesting to see if an extension is part of the deal.Steve Cohen's cash will render for "for now" moot.
Rosario has been a below average regular, so that doesn't compare great to Verdugo. Gimenez is expected to be good. I don't think Wolf or Greene is considered a blue chip prospect like Downs [almost] is.Can anyone compare the Mookie package vs the Lindor package? On the surface it seems like there are similarities with an elite, franchise level talent being traded in their walk year with an older-ish pitcher attached.
He's 27. George Foster was 33.He won't be the biggest star in the city if he plays like last year.
He slugged .415 last year after slugging .518 and .519 the two previous years. That's a huge difference. Maybe it's just a small sample size. Maybe he just couldn't time things to fit an uncertain season's start. At any rate, if he keeps slugging .415 he'll look like George Foster II among Mets acquisitions.
I'm wondering how you feel about this because I know you've been on the "I want to trade for Lindor" bandwagon for a while now, and also because of all places...he went to the Mets.Yeah, if that's the whole deal, I would have beaten that if I were Cashman. I was willing to move Gleyber plus a prospect or two for Lindor/McKenzie, but CLE always trades their guys to the NL if at all possible.
I don't care about the Mets as a rival and I always expect CLE to trade their players to the NL if possible (Bauer, Clevinger, now Lindor). The thing about Lindor is Gio Urshela is his best buddy so I always thought that Lindor had a good chance of ending up in NY in free agency, but maybe Queens is close enough to the Bronx.I'm wondering how you feel about this because I know you've been on the "I want to trade for Lindor" bandwagon for a while now, and also because of all places...he went to the Mets.
The Mookie deal doesn't need any comparisons to look fantastic for BOS, especially since the year they traded him for ended up being only 60 games.[ducking] This makes the Mookie deal look great for the Red Sox. Verdugo is better than either Gimenez or Rosario, and Carrasco is a net asset instead of a burden like Price. [/ducking]
Fair enough. It's not like there aren't options for NY, and it's not like they don't have an abundance of resources to make additions as you hope they do.I don't care about the Mets as a rival and I always expect CLE to trade their players to the NL if possible (Bauer, Clevinger, now Lindor). The thing about Lindor is Gio Urshela is his best buddy so I always thought that Lindor had a good chance of ending up in NY in free agency, but maybe Queens is close enough to the Bronx.
I am happy to shift to the Correa or Seager or Story bandwagon though.
First of all, sorry man. I felt a little like this when Cano signed with SEA, but not close to the same thing.I've been out of town and busy, so I'll have to dig into this over the weekend, but my first impression is that Rosario ruins the trade.
When I looked up these names a month ago, Gimenez was one I wanted, and when I saw the first three names I had some hope for this deal, knowing there had to at least be a fourth name. However, Rosario does nothing but fill a roster spot.
Carrasco is worth his money on the field and there's not a better clubhouse and community guy in all of baseball, so Cleveland should have gotten more than this. It's disappointing he took a team-friendly deal to set him up for retirement as an Indian and this is the result. It's also disappointing this leaves the immediate outfield situation just as bad as it was.
That said, Lindor's single season value is less of a sure thing than it was a year ago. He was worse in 2020 than his numbers indicate since he mentally checked out and led the league in boneheadedness in the field and on the basepaths.
It really does. I'd say that Carrasco is a comparable asset to Price + $16m/year.[ducking] This makes the Mookie deal look great for the Red Sox. Verdugo is better than either Gimenez or Rosario, and Carrasco is a net asset instead of a burden like Price. [/ducking]
Bullshit, this is a cheap owner not wanting to pay for top-end talent. The Indians are owned by one of the richest groups in baseball and have seen their franchise quadruple in value over the last 20 years.Hate seeing small market stars get shipped off to the big city, but that's baseball.
More like triple over 20 years, which relatively speaking isn't a spectacular ROI.Bullshit, this is a cheap owner not wanting to pay for top-end talent. The Indians are owned by one of the richest groups in baseball and have seen their franchise quadruple in value over the last 20 years.
As an aside, I really don't know if all best friends want to be on the same team. I hated working with my best man. It was too much of a good thing.I don't care about the Mets as a rival and I always expect CLE to trade their players to the NL if possible (Bauer, Clevinger, now Lindor). The thing about Lindor is Gio Urshela is his best buddy so I always thought that Lindor had a good chance of ending up in NY in free agency, but maybe Queens is close enough to the Bronx.
I am happy to shift to the Correa or Seager or Story bandwagon though.
Yeah, but would you enjoy playing a game with him?As an aside, I really don't know if all best friends want to be on the same team. I hated working with my best man. It was too much of a good thing.
Oh I totally agree with all of that. The wealthy owners should absolutely not be left off the hook for balking at investing in the team and collecting the sweet, sweet revenue sharing money. Unfortunately, and Cleveland is not the only example of this, teams in smaller markets hide behind the idea that since they are in the small market, they can't sign any of their own players to big contracts; even if it ignores the fact that the owners are incredibly wealthy and their teams make money hand over fist.Bullshit, this is a cheap owner not wanting to pay for top-end talent. The Indians are owned by one of the richest groups in baseball and have seen their franchise quadruple in value over the last 20 years.
Most teams aren't, only a few like the Padres and Mets are.Lot of huge moves being made.
Red Sox don't seem interested in doing much.
I know. The Indians have lost so many home grown stars and others. Manny, Thome, the list just goes on. Vizquel stayed most of his career there at least. I really rooted for them over the Marlins in 97 and Braves in 95. Had they beat us in 07 I would have rooted strongly for them to beat the Rockies. That city has had the worst luck. They lose their football team only to see them win 2 Super Bowls in Baltimore. How close they have come only to see it taken away, like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown.Hate seeing small market stars get shipped off to the big city, but that's baseball.
Belle, Manny, Thome. Then they got tired of getting jilted and being left empty handed, so they started trading them: Bartolo, CC, Cliff Lee, Victor, Bauer, Lindor.Manny, Thome, the list just goes on.