Porter may very well be a terrible manager but I don't believe he was the bigger problem in Houston.
canderson said:Porter may very well be a terrible manager but I don't believe he was the bigger problem in Houston.
This is simply untrue.radsoxfan said:You guys are definitely not on the same page.
Conversely it will also increase his chances with the old school FOs. "You wouldn't believe the shit I had to put up with from that meddling SOB GM in Houston. The field is Mine! I'll play who I want. I don't want to hear any of your fancy high falootin stats. I know a player when I see one!"I don't get why Porter lost his shit over the front office bringing Mark Appel up to Houston for a bullpen session. Yeah, it's probably a straw-that-broke-the camels-back situation that had been brewing and Luhnow should have kept his manager in the loop, but Porter comes off looking pretty bad IMO. Good luck getting a job with another club led by a GM with an analytical bent.
JimD said:I don't get why Porter lost his shit over the front office bringing Mark Appel up to Houston for a bullpen session. Yeah, it's probably a straw-that-broke-the camels-back situation that had been brewing and Luhnow should have kept his manager in the loop, but Porter comes off looking pretty bad IMO. Good luck getting a job with another club led by a GM with an analytical bent.
a) Houston is an analytically oriented FOFrom what I've read, some of the major leaguers went to Porter and asked why Appel was having bullpen session in Houston, and Porter had no answer because he wasn't in the loop. That not only gives him the sense that he's not in the loop, but sends a signal to the players that management isn't including their manager in even minor decisions.
What that has to do with organizations of an analytical bent, I'm not seeing
Dude, if you're going to make an argument could you at least wait until the event occurs before bragging about it.knucklecup said:This is simply untrue.
I like Adam Dunn against righties, as does Billy Beane and don't care about the minimal difference in defensive ability between Dunn/Gomes. They're both horrific defensive OF's, arguing who sucks less is silly IMO.
Here are the facts. A Gomes/Dunn platoon, the exact platoon I recommended when the Sox were 6-7 games out of first place months ago, is the same platoon that arguably the best GM in the sport opted to go with for his stretch run.
BCsMightyJoeYoung said:a) Houston is an analytically oriented FO
b) Houston has (had) isolated their Manager/players from their long range strategic thinking
Therefore Analytic Thinking is the cause of Isolating their Manager
What could be clearer?
E5 Yaz said:
Yeah, I think you're being overly simplistic there. Bringing up a minor leaguer for a pen session hardly qualifies as "long range strategic thinking." It's day-to-day operations; certainly not something of such huge importance that the field manager should be excluded from, particularly when management should know that it would be noticed by players and media and Porter would be asked about it
E5 Yaz said:
Yeah, I think you're being overly simplistic there. Bringing up a minor leaguer for a pen session hardly qualifies as "long range strategic thinking." It's day-to-day operations; certainly not something of such huge importance that the field manager should be excluded from, particularly when management should know that it would be noticed by players and media and Porter would be asked about it
Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
That, plus I have a hard time seeing how Porter is now somehow "old school" who can't deal with analytics. They would not have hired him less than two years ago (!) had that been the case. Or they hired somebody who didn't fit into their saber-mindset, either way, that FO doesn't come out all that well here.
Funny, Mad Dog Russo had a rant on this as part of his "brushback" segment on MLB network, about how GMs want to micro-manage teams without having to deal with the day-to-day public heat that comes with that. Pretty much what's happening here IMO.
knucklecup said:Here are the facts. A Gomes/Dunn platoon, the exact platoon I recommended when the Sox were 6-7 games out of first place months ago, is the same platoon that arguably the best GM in the sport opted to go with for his stretch run.
I agree on Moss in the OF and Dunn at 1B but he was acquired to bat clean up against right handed pitching. They'll squeeze him into a position that limits the damage as much as possible.MakMan44 said:Dude, if you're going to make an argument could you at least wait until the event occurs before bragging about it.
The actual fact remains that Dunn hasn't played a single inning in the OF for the A's yet and I think it's more likely we see Moss in the OF and Dunn at 1st than vice versa.
Which would be DH/1st base, which goes against the whole Gomes/Dunn platoon thing.knucklecup said:I agree on Moss in the OF and Dunn at 1B but he was acquired to bat clean up against right handed pitching. They'll squeeze him into a position that limits the damage as much as possible.
Pending league approval, #Rockies & LHP Jorge De La Rosa have agreed to a 2-year extension through 2016.
As Lowrie pointed out in the August game thread, Brandon Moss has gone in the toilet.Lowrielicious said:Brandon Moss turning into a pumpkin has hurt as much as Cespedes leaving.
April 4hr .842ops
May 9hr 1.047ops
June 5hr .768ops
July 5hr .729ops
August 0hr .548ops
What does Brandon Moss' decline have to do with your assertion that Adam Dunn can play left field?knucklecup said:As Lowrie pointed out in the August game thread, Brandon Moss has gone in the toilet.
Beane sees value in Dunn batting against RHP and I don't think he's particularly afraid of where he fits into the line up, especially when they have the 1B / corner OF / DH rotation that they have.
One report I heard said he resigned 'to attend to personal matters/personal issue'MakMan44 said:That is unexpected.
Hopefully that is the case and best wishes to Wash and his family. Classy guy, baseball guy all the way, loved by his players and fans alike.E5 Yaz said:if this is accurate, sounds like illness to him or someone close
JimBowden_ESPN Jim Bowden
Ron Washington’s resignation had nothing to do with substance abuse according to source. #Prayers with Ron and Family during this time
MakMan44 said:
normstalls said:One report I heard said he resigned 'to attend to personal matters/personal issue'
Read into that as you may.