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SocrManiac

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I love that the FA is living under the fiction that Michael Oliver is their best referee. His performance in the UCL was fucking farcical, so they give him the Derby.
 

Zososoxfan

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Some excellent matches this week.

Manchester derby tomorrow morning (ET), then on Sunday Everton-Spurs for Conte's EPL debut, Leeds-LCFC, and Pool-WHU to round it out.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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Villa has fallen apart a bit.

Not nearly as badly as Everton, who are going to get torn to shreds by a re-energized Spurs, I fear, having just given up six goals in forty minutes (spanning two games) to Watford and Wolves.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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Some excellent matches this week.

Manchester derby tomorrow morning (ET), then on Sunday Everton-Spurs for Conte's EPL debut, Leeds-LCFC, and Pool-WHU to round it out.
Looking forward to this. Hammers look very good. Antonio obviously has been a beast, Rice and Bowen also in great form.

Although a draw with Genk is not great.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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Mina will not be in the squad on Sunday.

Toffees' win % is close to 60 with Mina starting and around 25 without him, IIRC. He's really come into his own. Shame his hamstrings get warped more than a cello in a sauna.

DCL, Doucore (most ground covered in the PL at the time of his injury - 7 miles + per game), Mina out, several others like Digne, Richarlison, Gomes missing significant time in earlier weeks, Keane and Davies seemingly regressing and lacking confidence, shockingly so, Godfrey (possibly best player in the side last season) a shell of himself due to long COVID, Coleman and Allan still good players but on the wrong side of 30, Iwobi and the never-healthy Gbamin complete busts, even such makeweights as Cenk Tosun out long-term, forcing us to make do with the corpse of Salomon Rondon as a 9 - it's been fucking grim after our good start.

I'm afraid of Spurs putting up five or six. Not so much if Nuno were still in charge, but they'll have a charge up their ass with Conte. Kane especially, I think.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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Have to think Spurs-Everton has a chance to be another fun CHAOS match with both teams not entirely sure how to play.
Everton knows how to play at the moment - badly.

They played very well with a midfield two of Doucoure and Allan, and Townsend and Gray on the wings. Allan and Docoure won the ball, Townsend and Gray got forward quickly, simple and direct, successful.

Douc was doing the work of two men. Allan has these skills but is not nearly as mobile as Douc - no one is. Rafa has tried Davies and Gbamin alongside Allan in a like-for-like replacement for Douc in midfield two and we've been sliced to ribbons. Just won't work without Douc.

We were up 2-1 at 75' at Goodison to Watford two weeks ago, and then Watford (Watford ffs) gored us for four goals in 12', and it was worse than it sounds. They moved through us at will.

Same thing in the first 30 minutes against Wolves. 2 bad goals - one on a set piece, 7th so far this season (!!!) (we had 7 all last season, Wolves by contrast have surrendered none), one on a miserable backpass from Godfrey that was pounced upon. Should have been 4 or 5, Wolves were flying through the middle of the park unchecked, getting runners behind, no pressure on the ball from Everton at all.

Rafa eventually added Fabian Delph, of all people, to create a midfield three and that stabilized the game. We even nicked one back and had a few good chances to maybe sneak a point. The xG is almost a tie at 1.8 something. But we were horrible.

With Mina out again, Keane completely shot of confidence and prone to errors, Godfrey the same, plus COVID, Digne just coming back and not having a good season to begin with, Holgate miles off his best, no backup for either Digne or Coleman except out-of-position Godfrey or Holgate, no DCL, no creative mid to speak of.... I'm really afraid. If that's 4 losses in a row, with away to Man City next week, I'm afraid that Rafa is going to get sacked. He's got much less leeway among some fans because of his Red ties. Especially if we get waxed in the derby in December, there will be enormous pressure to fire him. We can't afford to IMO, despite his several selection and tactical screwups. Too many managers, too much turnover, no continuity, a patchwork squad of players recruited by different regimes for different styles. I'd rather take a beating until we get some reinforcements and just recognize that it's a multi year project. We were briefly third a few weeks ago, second last Boxing Day, but there were a lot of cracks papered over and not enough of a solid base. Let's not kid ourselves, folks. Our best XI on its best day can beat anyone and can compete for Europe, but we are not deep enough to withstand the slightest dip in fortune. We can't make it over 38 games plus cup ties and maintain form.
 

Jimy Hendrix

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If Thursday was any indication, Everton's best shot is to hold tight while Spurs punch themselves out and really attack second half. They don't seem to have the legs for 90min of Conte's football yet, after two "stand around a lot of the time please" managers.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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If Thursday was any indication, Everton's best shot is to hold tight while Spurs punch themselves out and really attack second half. They don't seem to have the legs for 90min of Conte's football yet, after two "stand around a lot of the time please" managers.
Completely agree.

Thursday away and back and then Sunday to Liverpool isn't easy and that will work in Everton's favor.

Still.
 

the1andonly3003

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Everton knows how to play at the moment - badly.

They played very well with a midfield two of Doucoure and Allan, and Townsend and Gray on the wings. Allan and Docoure won the ball, Townsend and Gray got forward quickly, simple and direct, successful.

Douc was doing the work of two men. Allan has these skills but is not nearly as mobile as Douc - no one is. Rafa has tried Davies and Gbamin alongside Allan in a like-for-like replacement for Douc in midfield two and we've been sliced to ribbons. Just won't work without Douc.

We were up 2-1 at 75' at Goodison to Watford two weeks ago, and then Watford (Watford ffs) gored us for four goals in 12', and it was worse than it sounds. They moved through us at will.

Same thing in the first 30 minutes against Wolves. 2 bad goals - one on a set piece, 7th so far this season (!!!) (we had 7 all last season, Wolves by contrast have surrendered none), one on a miserable backpass from Godfrey that was pounced upon. Should have been 4 or 5, Wolves were flying through the middle of the park unchecked, getting runners behind, no pressure on the ball from Everton at all.

Rafa eventually added Fabian Delph, of all people, to create a midfield three and that stabilized the game. We even nicked one back and had a few good chances to maybe sneak a point. The xG is almost a tie at 1.8 something. But we were horrible.

With Mina out again, Keane completely shot of confidence and prone to errors, Godfrey the same, plus COVID, Digne just coming back and not having a good season to begin with, Holgate miles off his best, no backup for either Digne or Coleman except out-of-position Godfrey or Holgate, no DCL, no creative mid to speak of.... I'm really afraid. If that's 4 losses in a row, with away to Man City next week, I'm afraid that Rafa is going to get sacked. He's got much less leeway among some fans because of his Red ties. Especially if we get waxed in the derby in December, there will be enormous pressure to fire him. We can't afford to IMO, despite his several selection and tactical screwups. Too many managers, too much turnover, no continuity, a patchwork squad of players recruited by different regimes for different styles. I'd rather take a beating until we get some reinforcements and just recognize that it's a multi year project. We were briefly third a few weeks ago, second last Boxing Day, but there were a lot of cracks papered over and not enough of a solid base. Let's not kid ourselves, folks. Our best XI on its best day can beat anyone and can compete for Europe, but we are not deep enough to withstand the slightest dip in fortune. We can't make it over 38 games plus cup ties and maintain form.
is there serious discussion of Rafa out? If that actually happens...
Maybe build more squad depth (or hire a new trainer/strength & conditioning coach)....
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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There is a vocal group of Blues who hate his guts from his time as a Red, never wanted him anyway, and cut him no slack.

next four are TOT mci bre LIV. Worst case scenario is if they lose all four, for seven on the spin, and drop the derby at home it’s hard to see how he can stay. Having to get points at City because you shit the bed against Watford at home is bad.
 

Jimy Hendrix

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Turns out it is slightly easier to surprise Nuno Espírito Santo with a new back three than to surprise Pep Guardiola with a back three you played last week.
 

Dummy Hoy

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I’m enjoying United unable to decipher City’s 4-4-2 mid block. Counter really is the only way they will be able to get anything here.
 

teddykgb

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Ridiculous to wave away the pen and a really naughty challenge by Bruno who has spent the entire March rolling around d trying to get players booked
 

Mighty Joe Young

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teddykgb

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Terrific article in the Athletic today on what Spurs are about to experience with Conte’s arrival. In many ways ManU really missed the boat on not getting him when they could. On the other hand, I can see why the United board would have reservations. The man is an absolute maniac .

https://theathletic.com/2935946/2021/11/06/you-either-improve-or-you-die-what-its-like-to-play-for-antonio-conte/?source=user_shared_article
imagine not firing Ole to bring in Conte only to have Ole try to play Contes system. An absolute mess. United were just stood 5 yards off all day as if to deny passing lanes but passes were always on and City were so comfortable.

There was only one ball winner in that XI today that I have any fear of and that’s AWB. He can still tackle and shut down a winger although Foden did push him today. Everywhere else City were free to pick a pass and keep the triangles open. It was like a training exercise at times
 

Zomp

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The issue that they have now that Conte is gone is I don't think the season is salvageable.

Its a terrible situation. Ole has bottled it so bad this season that I think ANY replacement would be an upgrade yet I can't think of a caretaker manager who could come in. Zidane doesn't want it either. Ideally you'd let him go, roll the dice with someone til the end of the season and see who is available. Not sure that will happen now.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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imagine not firing Ole to bring in Conte only to have Ole try to play Contes system. An absolute mess. United were just stood 5 yards off all day as if to deny passing lanes but passes were always on and City were so comfortable.

There was only one ball winner in that XI today that I have any fear of and that’s AWB. He can still tackle and shut down a winger although Foden did push him today. Everywhere else City were free to pick a pass and keep the triangles open. It was like a training exercise at times
Pep made no subs because it was literally a kick around training session kind of workout, not a game.

IMO, this was more embarrassing for Ole than the Liverpool match.
 

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Sunny von Bulow
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City never broke a sweat. Any side is one moment away from conceding so it was a bit too nonchalant for my taste- Utd have players who can conjure a moment of brilliance and it’s a one goal game. But second gear was more than enough.
 

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Toon playing like their jobs are on the line. Sanchez gets sent off for a foul on a breakaway, and Brighton has already made all three subs. Say hello to GK Lewis Dunk. Stoppage time can't end soon enough here.