NBA Draft Game Thread (Spoilers allowed)

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/6/24/8840423/2015-nba-draft-spurs-terry-rozier-olivier-hanlan-joseph-young

 

 
 

College career
After a decent freshman year in which he had time to adjust to the level of competition, Rozier was thrown into the fire in his sophomore season. Not only his minutes increased but also his role, especially after starting point guard Chris Jones was dismissed from the team. Rozier had to switch to point guard full time and become the team's best perimeter scorer. He responded by leading Louisville in points but his efficiency suffered in the process. Despite the turmoil, the Cardinals made the Elite Eight with Rozier showing his worth as a defender and rebounder in the process.
 

 

His long wingspan and relentless defensive intensity make him a pest and he's quick enough to get to the rim. His shooting might be a problem (30 percent from beyond the arc) and he's more comfortable with the ball in his hands than spotting up. He's also more of a scorer than a set up man, averaging just three assists in 36 minutes per game in his last year in college.
 
 

 
 

The absolute best case scenario for Rozier is Kyle Lowry, as they are both tough defenders who sometimes struggle with decision-making. Rozier's court vision is not near Lowry's at this point so Dennis Schroder might be a more apt description of his ceiling, although Cory Joseph with more of an edge probably describes him best.
 

 

 

[FredCDobbs]

The Gallipoli of draft nights.

 

[Cellar-Door]

They could have got Rozier at pick 28 probably. Wtf are they doing?

I doubt it, a lot of people had him going to the Bulls at 22. I know Ford had him 23rd on his board. He was likely to go no later than the early 20s.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Don't forget "didn't play a lot of pg in college but will have to in the pros due to his size."

Marcus Banks redux.

Banks was a real good pure PG at UNLV. Are you thinking Billups at Colorado?

 

[radsoxfan]

Ainge is a great trader, but an aggressively average judge of talent.
 
Ooof. I know it's the 16 pick, so it was unlikely to help regardless, but just oof.

 
What does aggressively average mean?
 
I liked Rozier as late 1st/2nd sleeper, think he has a role as a combo guard off the bench.  He is better than some give him credit for I think, not Giddens part 2 in my mind. 
 
At 16, that kind of sucks I admit.  I would trade Rozier and Sully for Winslow, I'm guessing that wasn't on the table for Danny though. 

 

[Bigpupp]

Just looked at a few mock drafts....Rozier was available at 28 in all of them.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Just looked at a few mock drafts....Rozier was available at 28 in all of them.

This. But i also dont like anyone left (not that my opinion means jack)

 

[moondog80]

Ainge is a great trader, but an aggressively average judge of talent.

He's gotten good players in the second half of the draft many times. Rondo, Sullinger, Allen, Bradley, Delonte.

 

[bowiac]

Woj with the deleted tweet. 

 

[HomeRunBaker]

There were crappy alternatives. If Rozier was Ainge's guy he has to take him regardless of what other peoples boards look like as it was questionable whether he'd be available at 28.

 

[Devizier]

Later part of the first round is just picking whatever garbage floats to the top of your heap, IMO. Still, it sucks.

 

[JCizzle]

Woj with the deleted tweet.

Was it re: the Celtics?

 

[bbc23]

Was it re: the Celtics?

Nah got the pick wrong at 1st, said it was Tyus Jones then corrected himself 30 seconds later.

 

[4 6 3 DP]

If Rozier was their best available, no reason for them to trade down to early 20's. They don't need another 2nd round pick. 
 
I have no issue with their talent evaluation most of the time, hopefully this means they feel they can move one of the existing guards in a deal for a better player.

 

[Marbleheader]

They need to speed things up after the top ,10 picks

 

[bbc23]

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/614246745288142849
 
Good trade by the Knicks I think.  

 

[smokin joe wood]

Decker looks like James Franco's little brother.

 

[Cellar-Door]

There were crappy alternatives. If Rozier was Ainge's guy he has to take him regardless of what other peoples boards look like as it was questionable whether he'd be available at 28.

Yeah, My issue with the pick is more roster than where he was picked.

 

[bowiac]

He's gotten good players in the second hand of the draft many times. Rondo, Sullinger, Allen, Bradley, Delonte.

He's been GM for 13 years now. This is not an overwhelming history in that time period. We're also stretching the definition of "good players" pretty strongly here.

 

[Marbleheader]

Biscuit taco looks vomit inducing

 

[Cellar-Door]

Decker looks like James Franco's little brother.

 

[Dollar]

Who is the belichick of the NBA Draft? Will anyone draft a guy they don't even have a video reel for?

They could have got Rozier at pick 28 probably. Wtf are they doing?

Just looked at a few mock drafts....Rozier was available at 28 in all of them.

 
I think we found our answer. Hopefully the Tavon Rozier pick works out, though.

 

[bowiac]

What does aggressively average mean?

It's just a superlative for "average." Some hits, some misses. 

 

[Marbleheader]

Well, NBA, I'll see you again this time next year.

 

[bowiac]

 
I think we found our answer. Hopefully the Tavon Rozier pick works out, though.

Ranked 55th on my Big Board of choice.

 

[DannyDarwinism]

Whatever. Nobody on the board was worth getting upset over. Rozier's interesting enough. Regressed in shooting the 3, but shot well his freshman year, and his FT% is good enough for me to think his shooting could be a plus.  Rebounds well for his size and has a decent steal rate. Nbadraft.net likes him well enough.

 

[Cellar-Door]

 
I think we found our answer. Hopefully the Tavon Rozier pick works out, though.

Not really. he was projected between 22 and 30 in most drafts. After the lottery there isn't much order to the rest of the round, pretty interchangable players.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Never heard of this buy but he has 112K followers and is the editor for Basketball Insiders. 
 
Many of the top point guard prospects in the draft refused to work out against Terry Rozier, which is partially why he didn't get more hype.
 
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/614243607520903168

 

[Auger34]

 
I think Rozier will be Avery Bradley's replacement after he is traded.

This. I am piggybacking off of Jason McIntyre on Twitter but I think Bradley is in an S&T with Cleveland for Kevin Love

 

[moondog80]

He's been GM for 13 years now. This is not an overwhelming history in that time period. We're also stretching the definition of "good players" pretty strongly here.

Sullinger, Bradley, Olynyk, and Rondo all go top 10 in a redraft.

EDIT: Probably not Olynyk, though he's still a fine result given where they picked.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Not really. he was projected between 22 and 30 in most drafts. After the lottery there isn't much order to the rest of the round, pretty interchangable players.

 
Yup. At this point, it's a matter of looking at the offseason moves as a whole. 

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Can't wait 'til we take Coppenrath with #28.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Nbadraft.net really loves Rozier, they had him as their #17 player overall. He was the second BPA left at the Celtics pick behind Portis by their board.

 

[shawnrbu]

Can't wait 'til we take Coppenrath with #28.

 
Personally hoping for the weed guy from Fresno State.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Justin Anderson going to the Mavs.

 

[moondog80]

Rozier 23rd on Chad Ford's board. Not s huge reach by that standard.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Sean Grande said Rozier scored 68 points in a High School game once.  
 
So if the Celts play any high school teams next year he should be helpful. 

 

[bowiac]

Nbadraft.net really loves Rozier, they had him as their #17 player overall. He was the second BPA left at the Celtics pick behind Portis by their board.

They drafted him 16th overall...

 

[bowiac]

Sullinger, Bradley, Olynyk, and Rondo all go top 10 in a redraft.

EDIT: Probably not Olynyk, though he's still a fine result given where they picked.

I don't think Bradley goes top 10 either, and Sullinger goes towards the bottom of the top 10... This is not so impressive for 13 years.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Can't wait 'til we take Coppenrath with #28.

Sorrentine in the 2nd round.

 

[teddykgb]

Is Jackson on mess?

 

[Marbleheader]

Wow, riveting, Phil. More cliches please

 

[bowiac]

So if the Celts play any high school teams next year he should be helpful. 

They've got a few coming up...

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

I don't think Bradley goes top 10 either, and Sullinger goes towards the bottom of the top 10... This is not so impressive for 13 years.

 
What about Big Baby in the 2nd round?  How about Leon Powe, another key contributor in a title run, in the second round?  You're pissing all over Ainge's draft record, so name a better GM in that time.

 

[moondog80]

I don't think Bradley goes top 10 either, and Sullinger goes towards the bottom of the top 10... This is not so impressive for 13 years.

ESPN had Bradley there.

How many top 10 picks should you make when you pick 22nd?

 

[RedOctober3829]

I understand that moves are made with a process in mind. But if Danny keeps whiffing the roster construction is a disaster.

 

[ifmanis5]

That Phil Jackson interview was hilarious. Repeating hacky tripe as wisdom. What a fraud.

 

[EL Jeffe]

I just don't see how he fits with Smart, Bradley and IT4. It's a weird size/skill fit. If they move Bradley to Cleveland (as rumored) then this makes more sense because he fills that Bradley role.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I just don't see how he fits with Smart, Bradley and IT4. It's a weird size/skill fit. If they move Bradley to Cleveland (as rumored) then this makes more sense because he fills that Bradley role.

 
I wouldn't put too much stock in that Cavs "rumor." It's just one guy throwing crap against the wall ... not even based on anything he heard

 

[scottyno]

I don't think Bradley goes top 10 either, and Sullinger goes towards the bottom of the top 10... This is not so impressive for 13 years.

He also got Jefferson and Perkins at 15 and 27 who turned out pretty well.  And until last year he'd never made a pick in the top 15 for the Cs to actually keep.