There are literally millions sensitive to light and bright colors. The floors were poorly planned 10 different ways and the NBA has admitted as much.
Philly's floor sucked tonight and yes it gave me a headache also
NBA In-Season Tournament 2023 Discussion and Gamethread
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Philly's floor sucked tonight and yes it gave me a headache also
In general I think the special courts are a good idea, but some of the bright colors are truly obnoxious. Use matte or washed out colors if you are going to go this route.
The courts with the solid dark color down the center are much easier to deal with than the ones that are dark on the outer thirds. The other big issue is that they have three graphical representations of the trophy on the court which uses that burnt gold color that basically clashes with all the bright. bold, and super saturated colors.
Has the NBA announced what floors will be in Vegas?
It would be hilarious (not as hilarious as Greenberg's tweet above but pretty damn hilarious) if they went with glass courts.
It would be hilarious (not as hilarious as Greenberg's tweet above but pretty damn hilarious) if they went with glass courts.
I'd guess it would be the floor of whoever is deemed the home team. They released 30 images for all the teams unless I missed a special Vegas court .
Love em or Hate em...they are serving their purpose of creating a buzz around this event. NBA knows Marketing.
Glass courts, with a pool of sharks swimming below the glass, Ernst Blofeld style. Every TV timeout, they chum the waters a bit.
Only on the bottom side, no? I'm assuming whatever tech that FIBA has going on there with the transparent surface and LEDs beneath it has a top surface with the right friction / properties. And that it can be easily repurposed to something maniacal and/or stupid.Wouldn't that be a bit slippery?
This whole tournament is a distillation of the ethos from that Jurassic Park Jeff Goldblum meme: "You people were so busy figuring out if you could, that you never stopped to ask yourself whether you should." I see no reason that shouldn't continue. In for a penny, in for a pound.
The losing
Silver is all about the tie-ins...Marketing 101
I just worry about what happens when Zion Williamson goes up for a dunk, topples over midair, and hits a glass pane with a lot of force.
Those poor sharks, dodging broken glass. Would be inhumane.
Those poor sharks, dodging broken glass. Would be inhumane.
My immediate, unfiltered reaction was: "This is awesome. I unironically want this."
That... is some spicy haterade they're drinking down there. He hasn't even demanded to be traded to the Lakers yet!
The Knicks haven't played a home game yet in this until this evening, it looks like their floor may be the dumbest one yet.
View: https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1728090184774726128
View: https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1728090184774726128
Jokic with 25pts/13rebs at the half, still down 17 to Houston
Nuggets announcer: it's a good thing Joker got on the bus
Nuggets announcer: it's a good thing Joker got on the bus
EDIT to update the scenarios.
TLDR: as long as we beat the Bulls, preferably by a lot, we're in decent shape. If we're not going to beat the Bulls by at least 23, then we want Toronto to beat Brooklyn; if we are going to beat them by at least 23, then we want Brooklyn to win (by 14 or less), as that could let us miraculously win the group. Either way, we want Charlotte to win in NYC, Atlanta to win in Cleveland, and/or Milwaukee to win at Miami, in that order of priority, as that helps our fallback scenarios if things in our own group don't go perfectly for us.
So the situation with our tournament group (East Group C), going into the last match day this coming Tuesday, is as follows:
- Firstly we need to beat the Bulls, at home. Preferably, we need to demolish the Bulls; if we beat them by at least 23, it keeps alive the chance to win the group. But even a beatdown of lesser proportions helps our case.
- Secondly, we want the Nets to beat Toronto. That would put them up to 3-1, creating a 3-way tie at the top, where we beat Brooklyn, Brooklyn beat Orlando, and Orlando beat us. Then it goes to point differential: we're starting at 0, Orlando is in the clubhouse at +22 after we shat the bed in the 4th tonight, and Brooklyn would go into their game at +8. So we would need to overtake Orlando (win by at least 23), and not be overtaken by Brooklyn, either.
- If we beat Chicago and the Nets lose to Toronto, then it's decided on head-to-head between us and Orlando (each at 3-1, with Brooklyn at 2-2), so Orlando finishes 1st and we finish 2nd. That would suit us OK, assuming we're not going to beat Chicago by 23 or more; it means we go to the runner-up standings at 3-1.
- If we lose to Chicago AND the Nets lose to Toronto, then all 3 of us are 2-2, and we win that 3-way tiebreaker on the basis of head-to-head sweep. But though we'd be the group runner-up, we could only possibly advance if the other two groups also had runners-up at 2-2. Which, somehow, is still possible.
- If we're second in the group, we have to be better than the runners-up in the other 2 East groups. If we finish at 3-1, then we want scenarios where they have 3-way ties at 2-2. But if we do well against the Bulls, then we probably like our chances against any other 3-1 runner-up, other than if Miami beats Milwaukee.
- in Group A, Indy (4-0) wins, the group runner-up will be Cleveland (2-1) if they beat Atlanta (1-2) at home on Tuesday. Cleveland is currently at +6, so given that we're at +0 right now, we would need to beat Chicago by at least 7 more than they beat Atlanta by, in order to end up ranked ahead of them. If Atlanta wins at Cleveland, it's a 3-way tie for second (at 2-2) between them and Philly, which would go to point differential (and eliminate all of them, if any other group's runner-up is 3-1).
- Group B is fun, and will mostly turn on the Milwaukee (3-0) @ Miami (2-1) matchup on Tuesday, but is also affected by Charlotte (1-2) @ NYK (2-1). If Miami wins and the Knicks win, it goes to point differential, likely won by Milwaukee with NYK runner-up. If Miami and Charlotte win, then Miami wins the group and Milwaukee is runner-up, and Boston would need to win and have a better point differential than the Bucks (Currently +39, so we'd need to win big and have them lose big). Given that hurdle, we really want Milwaukee to beat Miami, as a Miami win probably sends both teams through.
- If Milwaukee wins, they advance, and Group B runner-up would be the Knicks if they beat the Hornets. The Knicks are at +18 right now, which would make it very difficult for Boston to catch them, so we really want Charlotte to win. But if Charlotte beats New York, there'd be a 3-way tie at 2-2 between them and Miami, which would go to point differential.
- If the following 5 things all happen, then all 3 group runners-up in the East finish at 2-2 (each of them winning a 3-way tie, us on head-to-head, the others on point differential), and it becomes point differential mayhem to decide the East wildcard: CHI beats BOS, TOR beats BKN, ATL beats CLE, MIL beats MIA, and CHA beats NYK. Which would at least be darkly amusing. That's the chaos option for fans of west coast teams to root for.
Hope that helps everyone. Go Hawks, go Bucks, and above all go Hornets.
TLDR: as long as we beat the Bulls, preferably by a lot, we're in decent shape. If we're not going to beat the Bulls by at least 23, then we want Toronto to beat Brooklyn; if we are going to beat them by at least 23, then we want Brooklyn to win (by 14 or less), as that could let us miraculously win the group. Either way, we want Charlotte to win in NYC, Atlanta to win in Cleveland, and/or Milwaukee to win at Miami, in that order of priority, as that helps our fallback scenarios if things in our own group don't go perfectly for us.
So the situation with our tournament group (East Group C), going into the last match day this coming Tuesday, is as follows:
- Firstly we need to beat the Bulls, at home. Preferably, we need to demolish the Bulls; if we beat them by at least 23, it keeps alive the chance to win the group. But even a beatdown of lesser proportions helps our case.
- Secondly, we want the Nets to beat Toronto. That would put them up to 3-1, creating a 3-way tie at the top, where we beat Brooklyn, Brooklyn beat Orlando, and Orlando beat us. Then it goes to point differential: we're starting at 0, Orlando is in the clubhouse at +22 after we shat the bed in the 4th tonight, and Brooklyn would go into their game at +8. So we would need to overtake Orlando (win by at least 23), and not be overtaken by Brooklyn, either.
- If we beat Chicago and the Nets lose to Toronto, then it's decided on head-to-head between us and Orlando (each at 3-1, with Brooklyn at 2-2), so Orlando finishes 1st and we finish 2nd. That would suit us OK, assuming we're not going to beat Chicago by 23 or more; it means we go to the runner-up standings at 3-1.
- If we lose to Chicago AND the Nets lose to Toronto, then all 3 of us are 2-2, and we win that 3-way tiebreaker on the basis of head-to-head sweep. But though we'd be the group runner-up, we could only possibly advance if the other two groups also had runners-up at 2-2. Which, somehow, is still possible.
- If we're second in the group, we have to be better than the runners-up in the other 2 East groups. If we finish at 3-1, then we want scenarios where they have 3-way ties at 2-2. But if we do well against the Bulls, then we probably like our chances against any other 3-1 runner-up, other than if Miami beats Milwaukee.
- in Group A, Indy (4-0) wins, the group runner-up will be Cleveland (2-1) if they beat Atlanta (1-2) at home on Tuesday. Cleveland is currently at +6, so given that we're at +0 right now, we would need to beat Chicago by at least 7 more than they beat Atlanta by, in order to end up ranked ahead of them. If Atlanta wins at Cleveland, it's a 3-way tie for second (at 2-2) between them and Philly, which would go to point differential (and eliminate all of them, if any other group's runner-up is 3-1).
- Group B is fun, and will mostly turn on the Milwaukee (3-0) @ Miami (2-1) matchup on Tuesday, but is also affected by Charlotte (1-2) @ NYK (2-1). If Miami wins and the Knicks win, it goes to point differential, likely won by Milwaukee with NYK runner-up. If Miami and Charlotte win, then Miami wins the group and Milwaukee is runner-up, and Boston would need to win and have a better point differential than the Bucks (Currently +39, so we'd need to win big and have them lose big). Given that hurdle, we really want Milwaukee to beat Miami, as a Miami win probably sends both teams through.
- If Milwaukee wins, they advance, and Group B runner-up would be the Knicks if they beat the Hornets. The Knicks are at +18 right now, which would make it very difficult for Boston to catch them, so we really want Charlotte to win. But if Charlotte beats New York, there'd be a 3-way tie at 2-2 between them and Miami, which would go to point differential.
- If the following 5 things all happen, then all 3 group runners-up in the East finish at 2-2 (each of them winning a 3-way tie, us on head-to-head, the others on point differential), and it becomes point differential mayhem to decide the East wildcard: CHI beats BOS, TOR beats BKN, ATL beats CLE, MIL beats MIA, and CHA beats NYK. Which would at least be darkly amusing. That's the chaos option for fans of west coast teams to root for.
Hope that helps everyone. Go Hawks, go Bucks, and above all go Hornets.
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We do often call guys toasty a bit too soon but I think we’re bang on here. I thought he was a shell of himself last year and early returns this year aren’t great. Father Time remaining undefeated but I liked him as a player. Sort of a modern day Glen Rice.
Knicks take the lead with 2 minutes remaining, after Miami's offense takes a nap and stops moving the ball. They trailed by 21 in the 3Q. Adebayo had an "oops" wind-up swing at Brunson on a layup, that may have mildly injured Brunson's non-shooting arm. A Knicks win here would really put a lot of scenarios into play for the Celtics.
edit: Jon Stewart is there and he is very excited.
edit: Jon Stewart is there and he is very excited.
I think the Garden floor looks great and that there is no problem picking up the ball. But again, I like these tourney floors in general.
I have no problem with the floor, but I feel like I need 3D glasses with the Knicks jerseys.
That line needs to be retired.
Bron is playing more minutes and better. I give up, he has defeated Father Time
Yes it looked completely fine in reality, I watched on MSG (I guess most of you watched on ESPN, not sure if it is the same feed) but they amusingly started with the floor being really washed out, as were the players. A few minutes in they quite obviously cranked up the brightness some, but I think it is still muted from what it was in person, or maybe they were able to change it since this afternoon? Anyway no complaints (for once).
Sick comeback by NY, they are in good position now if they can get a substantial win against CHA next. They were down 83-62 and closed on a 38-15 run.
Down by 3 to the Bucks, Wizards get a perfect ATO play for a wide-open corner 3, and Landry Shamet bricks it. They foul Connaughton, and he somehow misses both free throws, meaning it's still a 1-possession game. After a nervy rebound, it goes to Kuzma, who drives the length of the floor, and... lays it up for 2 points. Never looks to kick it out or just run out to the 3 point line.
Dude's basketball IQ is set to "turnip".
Dude's basketball IQ is set to "turnip".
It's not Father Time with Middleton though as he'd still be in the backend of his prime....it is that he's physically not the same player he was due to his knee problems. He did the same as TL in that when you return from corrective surgery....and the problem is not corrected, you're probably close to being finished.
Connaughton tried as hard as he could to give the Wizards the game. Two missed FTs when up 3 with :12 then allow a blow-by layup on the other end with zero resistance.
He was close but he didn't quite do everything in his power, he needed to also foul Kuzma for the and-1 that would tie it.
I just want to say that as a casual fan I have no idea what’s going on. I watch a lot of European soccer so I can track and follow a team playing multiple tournaments but I don’t get this NBA system and have like zero interest in trying to figure it out.
Is it my fault for not paying attention? Does it take time for fans to get it? Or is it a matter of the NBA doing mediocre to poor explaining it?
Is it my fault for not paying attention? Does it take time for fans to get it? Or is it a matter of the NBA doing mediocre to poor explaining it?
I mean, it's honestly pretty simple. There are six groups with five teams each, every team plays the other four teams in their group over a few weeks, two home and two away. The winners of the six groups advance to a single elimination quarterfinal round of 8, along with one wild card from each conference (record, then point differential). So one round-robin loss doesn't quite eliminate you, but it makes it very hard to advance.
We are almost at the end of the group stage, here are the standings for the six groups.
https://www.nba.com/in-season-tournament/2023/standings
Yea, if you took 3 minutes to read up on it, you would know what's going on. So maybe the NBA is doing a poor job in that you have no interest in spending the few minutes? Or maybe they assume they will miss X% of fans with this, but the overall effect will be positive?
It will take fans one season of the Vegas games before they get it. So yes it will take time.
2-5 in their last 7 games without Jamal Murray, and the 2 wins were by 4 points over the Pistons and 3 over the Clippers right after the Harden trade, so...not exactly against tough competition. Occam's Razor lesson: a team with little depth can make it when led by 2 stars and solid starters, but on a knife's edge if lose one of those stars. Of course, pretty much true any team will struggle without a star player. But given the Nuggets depth/lack thereof, even more so for them -- I'd be curious if they'd also struggle without, say, Aaron Gordon.
Definitely one of the more top heavy contenders in recent memory (if not the most top heavy. At full health I'd make them the championship favorite. But less wiggle room than other top contenders.
I'm totally confused by the latest scenarios that have the Celtics with a chance to clinch group C:
If the first tie breaker is H2H, how could the 2-1 Celtics, having lost to the 3-1 Magic, win the group?
If the first tie breaker is H2H, how could the 2-1 Celtics, having lost to the 3-1 Magic, win the group?
Is it because they will all be 3-1, and they will all be 1-1 against each other, so you move to the 2nd tiebreaker?
Edit: it looks like the 2nd tiebreaker is point differential. The Celts are currently at 0; the Nets are at +8; and Orlando is +22. So, the Celts would need to win by 23, and have the Nets win by 14 or fewer?
If the Celtics and Brooklyn both win, then all three teams (Celtics, Nets, Magic) are all 3-1, with each team having beaten the other once (Celtics beat Nets, Nets beat Magic, Magic beat Celtics), making the H2H tiebreaker moot. The next tiebreaker is point differential, which is a hard road for Boston, currently 3rd in point differential behind both Orlando and Brooklyn. We need to beat Chicago by at least 23 to pass Orlando, and we need to beat Chicago by at least 8 points more than the Nets beat Toronto.
I'd imagine that there are different tie-breaker rules for a 2-way tie and a 3-way tie. For the 3-way to apply the Nets would need to win as it says above.
Edit: You guys had your coffee this morning.
Yea, this is it. If there is a three way tie it goes to point differential for the winner of the group, then point differential for 2nd place. A team needs to finish second to make the quarterfinals, so there could be a case where the third place team has a bigger point differential than a 2nd place team from a different group, but that third place team is ineligible to advance
See my post #518 upthread for full details. As covered by other replies, we can only win the group if (1) BOS, BKN and ORL are all 3-1, each team 1-1 against the others, and (2) we win the point-differential tiebreaker among those 3 teams. We are currently 3rd by some distance on PD (+0, actually, while Orlando is +22). To accomplish #1 we need Brooklyn to beat Toronto (favored but no sure thing), to accomplish #2 we need to beat Chicago by at least 23 points while not also being overtaken by Brooklyn (Currently +8 on PD). So it's pretty unlikely, to say the least.
The wildcard scenarios for us to advance are a lot more complicated, but probably higher-percentage. Assuming we win by a decent amount (but don't win the group on the above basis), we would be greatly helped by as many of the following as possible:
1) Atlanta wins in Cleveland
2) Charlotte wins @ NYK
3) Milwaukee wins in Miami
Cleveland or New York winning means they are 3-1 as well, and their point differentials are likely to be higher than ours (currently +6 and +18 respectively). Them losing and us winning knocks them out, as they'd be 2-2 and we'd be 3-1. Miami (currently 2-1) would win the group if they beat Milwaukee (currently 3-0), but then we would very likely lose the tiebreaker to a 3-1 Milwaukee (currently +39). So we want Milwaukee to win, winning their group and dropping Miami to 2-2.
Every point in our margin-of-victory against Chicago could end up being decisive in either scenario, so we need to go out there prepared to crush them. Really hoping we have Jrue back for it.
I freely admit to choosing not to give a shit about the ins, outs, and ramifications of the preliminary round games, mostly because the default is that these games count in the standings just like all the other games. (I assume the tourney effects will be self-evident once teams do or do not reach the next round.) And, while many of these games have been great, I'm not convinced that the percentage of great early-season games & stinkers is really any different than usual.
I think this was just after the first round of in season tournament games
Friday’s average margin of victory was 4.9 points, the second smallest on a single night (minimum 7 games) in the last 10 seasons.
Celtics are favored by 9 at home as of now, so I'm not sure why we'd say a blowout is super unlikely. This would merely be the difference in the starters playing most of the 4th rather than the bench, to bring a 15 point lead to 25 instead of down to 10....