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The Lakers remaining schedule is brutal, they will be lucky to get into the top 10.
 

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The Lakers remaining schedule is brutal, they will be lucky to get into the top 10.
Where is the Laker schedule hard? It seems like one of the easiest if not the easiest of those fighting for the WC playoffs. They already completed their two eastern trips and have already hosted the best teams in the east. They only have 3 B2B remaining and one is in Houston.
 

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Where is the Laker schedule hard? It seems like one of the easiest if not the easiest of those fighting for the WC playoffs. They already completed their two eastern trips and have already hosted the best teams in the east. They only have 3 B2B remaining and one is in Houston.
The strength of schedule remaining is .490 which is 24th toughest according to tankathon. They do have four games against Dallas and Phoenix, though, who arguably should have better records than previously. The first Phoenix game isn't until March 22nd, so Durant should be back for that.
 

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Where is the Laker schedule hard? It seems like one of the easiest if not the easiest of those fighting for the WC playoffs. They already completed their two eastern trips and have already hosted the best teams in the east. They only have 3 B2B remaining and one is in Houston.
It's not a brutal schedule, but it's not easy. They have 31 losses, so maybe they can "afford" 11 more at most? They have 12 games against the Warriors, Suns, Grizz, Clippers, Mavs and Pels. Split those and that doesn't leave a lot of margin for error.
 

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I think the case for the Lakers is....

These additions give them more depth, and more shooting, which in turn means they win a few more regular season games without pushing LeBron and AD's workload as high. Then they get into the play-in and unleash Bron/AD and hope both stay healthy for the whole run and one or more of their shooters gets hot on the open shots the other 2 create.
Not a crazy theory. Bron is still a top-5 or so guy you want in a playoff game.
 

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I think the case for the Lakers is....

These additions give them more depth, and more shooting, which in turn means they win a few more regular season games without pushing LeBron and AD's workload as high. Then they get into the play-in and unleash Bron/AD and hope both stay healthy for the whole run and one or more of their shooters gets hot on the open shots the other 2 create.
Not a crazy theory. Bron is still a top-5 or so guy you want in a playoff game.
Entirely plausible; the Lakers just needed to upgrade from so much trash on their roster. Not hard to do so even an unimpressive haul headlined by DLo is a big step forward.
 

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It's not a brutal schedule, but it's not easy. They have 31 losses, so maybe they can "afford" 11 more at most? They have 12 games against the Warriors, Suns, Grizz, Clippers, Mavs and Pels. Split those and that doesn't leave a lot of margin for error.
And even if they aren't that many games behind the 6 seed (4.5), they have to jump over 7 teams to get there. Unless they go on a real heater (winning 80% of their remaining games), the play in is as good as it gets, and really they should be aiming for 8th, so they only need to win 1 play in instead of 2. Current NBA title odds have them at 12th, which still seems a bit optimistic but not ridiculous. They've got a really tough road ahead.
 

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Yeah but it just got a bit easier with Utah and likely Portland about to fade. So that means Wolves and Thunder will both need to stay ahead of Lakers. And that assumes Pelicans stay afloat. Not sure how play in game at minimum isn’t the end result.
 

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I think the case for the Lakers is....

These additions give them more depth, and more shooting, which in turn means they win a few more regular season games without pushing LeBron and AD's workload as high. Then they get into the play-in and unleash Bron/AD and hope both stay healthy for the whole run and one or more of their shooters gets hot on the open shots the other 2 create.
Not a crazy theory. Bron is still a top-5 or so guy you want in a playoff game.
On paper this makes sense but aren't they going to struggle to implement so many new guys this late in the season? I think the commentariat is generally failing to take account of how precise and connected the good, title contending teams need to be. They could catch fire, I guess, but it's much more likely they'll be more talented but look very disjointed.
 

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Yeah but it just got a bit easier with Utah and likely Portland about to fade. So that means Wolves and Thunder will both need to stay ahead of Lakers. And that assumes Pelicans stay afloat. Not sure how play in game at minimum isn’t the end result.
Yeah, it’s hard to place a number on it due to AD’s fragility but assuming he sucks it up I’d say they are 72-80% to finish Top-10 with tanking teams and bad teams ahead of them. It seems pretty secure at this point.
 

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Kinda like what the Clippers did

IN
Mason Plumlee
Bones Hyland
Eric Gordon

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Kennard
Wall
Reggie Jackson
3 2nds
Plumlee is definitely a helpful add. But I'll take Kennard as a better player than Hyland and Gordon. I get they were probably frustrated with Kennard being in/out of the line-up with dings and such, but in the playoffs Hyland's defense will be very hunt-able and, while I like Gordon's toughness, Kennard is a significantly better shooter and love how he moves w/out the ball. Not exactly a defensive stud, but both Nyland and Gordon flat out suck. In the playoffs, I'd rather have Kennard than those 2 guys (and Jackson may have slipped offensively this year, but on defense he's better than any of those guys). The Clippers problem is not depth, so don't think that their 2 nickels is better than 1 dime.
 

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Bad look for Portland:

Gary Payton II — the Warriors high-profile trade deadline acquisition — could miss two-to-three months after a core muscle issue showed up in his physical on Friday morning, league sources confirmed to The Athletic, putting the four-team deal between the Warriors, Pistons, Hawks and Blazers in jeopardy.

Payton, according to sources, had been playing through pain in Portland. Sources added that the Blazers training staff had been pushing him to gut through it, giving him Toradol shots. This had not been relayed to the Warriors during the negotiation process.
https://theathletic.com/4180625/2023/02/10/gary-payton-physical-trade/
 

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The Warriors have no choice to go through with this to save luxury tax, right? I guess they could just dump Wiseman over the summer...
 

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The Warriors have no choice to go through with this to save luxury tax, right? I guess they could just dump Wiseman over the summer...
I bet they dangle the Blazers for as long as they can, let them take a bunch of hits for how they handled this both from a trade and a player management perspective, then go through with it.
 

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That Athletic article allows for the possibility of "amendments" to the trade, but is that even possible now that the deadline is past?
Yes, the league has final authority to sign off on things like these. I know I’ve seen it before at deadlines either in NBA or MLB.
 

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That Athletic article allows for the possibility of "amendments" to the trade, but is that even possible now that the deadline is past?
They removed that. After the deadline you can't adjust a trade. The NBA could make a special ruling, but I really doubt it, they never have before, and they have undone trades for failed physicals before.
 

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If the reports about the training staff are correct, Joe Cronin is in a bad spot. Portland isn't exactly a free agent draw and if the Blazers never tank (or have a pick to tank for), they are potentially hurting their only avenue to improve.
 

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I can imagine league allowing a draft pick from Portland to Warriors to resolve this. Warriors surely don't want Wiseman back now, and there's two 'innocent' teams caught in it as well. The practical answer is for Portland to pay the Warriors in some currency
 

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I can imagine league allowing a draft pick from Portland to Warriors to resolve this. Warriors surely don't want Wiseman back now, and there's two 'innocent' teams caught in it as well. The practical answer is for Portland to pay the Warriors in some currency
My guess is the league isn't interested in setting a precedent for this trade, everyone goes back, tough luck. The league doesn't want teams nitpicking physicals to drag concessions out of other teams (not saying that is the case here), and the precedent opens the door. They'll stick to the rules as written as they always have in the past.
 

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I can imagine league allowing a draft pick from Portland to Warriors to resolve this. Warriors surely don't want Wiseman back now, and there's two 'innocent' teams caught in it as well. The practical answer is for Portland to pay the Warriors in some currency
they'll resolve it.

5 seconds sounded weirdly large, knock it down to 2-3 second-round picks and call it a day
 

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They removed that. After the deadline you can't adjust a trade. The NBA could make a special ruling, but I really doubt it, they never have before, and they have undone trades for failed physicals before.
I want to say it was MLB where a big deadline deal was compromised by a failed physical and the league let the deal go through and had the injured pitcher replaced by another player. The NBA would be trickier as there is a salary cap implication to validate a trade.
 

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they'll resolve it.

5 seconds sounded weirdly large, knock it down to 2-3 second-round picks and call it a day
Hearing several reporters saying that no amendments to the deal are allowed as its past the deadline and that it is up to the Warriors to accept the trade as is or rescind it completely.
 

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Seems like this might make these 3/4-team "let's roll it all together" deadline deals wayyy harder in the future, since now you're taking on a lot of extra counterparty risk.
 

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Hearing several reporters saying that no amendments to the deal are allowed as its past the deadline and that it is up to the Warriors to accept the trade as is or rescind it completely.
Silver to the rescue? Interesting dilemma.

Hope Bob signed his deal, owners can get grumpy when their GM burns $30MM in tax dollars to take back the likes of James Wiseman.
 

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Silver to the rescue? Interesting dilemma.

Hope Bob signed his deal, owners can get grumpy when their GM burns $30MM in tax dollars to take back the likes of James Wiseman.
Bob really didn't have the deadline you were anticipating, did he? No upgrades at all, apparently, since GPII won't be playing regardless of what goes down here.
 

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Bob really didn't have the deadline you were anticipating, did he? No upgrades at all, apparently, since GPII won't be playing regardless of what goes down here.
So the Warriors can choose from GPII not playing, or Wiseman not playing, plus saving $30 million?
 

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My guess is the league isn't interested in setting a precedent for this trade, everyone goes back, tough luck. The league doesn't want teams nitpicking physicals to drag concessions out of other teams (not saying that is the case here), and the precedent opens the door. They'll stick to the rules as written as they always have in the past.
Isn't this exactly what happened with the Isaiah Thomas / Kyrie Irving deal? Cavs complained and wrangled an additional pick out of us as a result, didn't they?
 

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Isn't this exactly what happened with the Isaiah Thomas / Kyrie Irving deal? Cavs complained and wrangled an additional pick out of us as a result, didn't they?
Yes; difference here is that it's a deadline deal.
 

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Bob really didn't have the deadline you were anticipating, did he? No upgrades at all, apparently, since GPII won't be playing regardless of what goes down here.
Color me underwhelmed with the Warriors' work here at the trade deadline.

They did a great job of getting DiVincenzo, & uncovering Lamb this season. But really thought they could have used a rotational BIG to spell Loon/Dray (esp with them in their starting lineup).

Actually, Muscala would have been a really good bench option for them
 

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Isn't this exactly what happened with the Isaiah Thomas / Kyrie Irving deal? Cavs complained and wrangled an additional pick out of us as a result, didn't they?
deadline hadn't passed, so they pulled the deal back, re-worked it and re-submitted the paperwork as a "new" trade. Can't do that here obviously, as the deadline is long passed so the only options are pull the deal back, in which case it never happened, or go forward.
 

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deadline hadn't passed, so they pulled the deal back, re-worked it and re-submitted the paperwork as a "new" trade. Can't do that here obviously, as the deadline is long passed so the only options are pull the deal back, in which case it never happened, or go forward.
Can they have some handshake agreement to give a couple 2nd round picks back? Or agree to sell em back for some league minimum transaction amount after the season? Maybe not...

Obviously they can't change the actual players involved at this point.
 

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Can they have some handshake agreement to give a couple 2nd round picks back? Or agree to sell em back for some league minimum transaction amount after the season? Maybe not...

Obviously they can't change the actual players involved at this point.
nope. That's the risk of going right up to the deadline day on your trades.... price might come down, but if you want to do a physical and actually are concerned about a guy's health you don't have any options to fix anything. Usually doesn't matter because either guys are salary fill or they're healthy. This one is the weird spot where he was hurt but could play, they wanted to see how bad he was hurt and their doctor had a different opinion on his ability to play. Now, PDX should have told GSW... oh yeah he's getting shots before games, because that's relevant here, difference in how you view a guy between "injury but can play" and "injury but can play with Toradal injections"
 

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nope. That's the risk of going right up to the deadline day on your trades.... price might come down, but if you want to do a physical and actually are concerned about a guy's health you don't have any options to fix anything. Usually doesn't matter because either guys are salary fill or they're healthy. This one is the weird spot where he was hurt but could play, they wanted to see how bad he was hurt and their doctor had a different opinion on his ability to play. Now, PDX should have told GSW... oh yeah he's getting shots before games, because that's relevant here, difference in how you view a guy between "injury but can play" and "injury but can play with Toradal injections"
Given it seems GSW views Wiseman as a sunk cost (and hugely expensive for them given the tax issues), I'm guessing they just do the trade regardless.

Maybe Portland will do them a solid and toss them a couple 2nd rounders back at a discount this offseason.
 

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ESPN says 'The NBA could punish Portland with a fine and loss of draft picks if an investigation were to discover "a failure to disclose relevant information" on Payton's abdominal injury that required offseason surgery and had him miss the first 35 games of the season.', maybe the Warriors are pissed enough they want to drag it out just to increase the odds of Portland getting fined
 

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The tax bills get a bit high, but probably not Warriors territory. The real test will be how they handle the locked draft picks.
NBA second-round pick commentary, post CBA, from Forbes is interesting.

With the vast majority of 1sts used on One & done, 19yr olds and Euro lottery picks, usable Upperclassmen drop to the bottom of the first and 2nd rounds

Second-round picks should also become more valuable in the coming years thanks to the new CBA. Previously, teams had to dip into cap space or a salary-cap exception such as the mid-level exception to sign second-round picks to contracts. If they signed them using the minimum-player exception, they were limited to offering no more than two years.

The new CBA introduced a second-round pick exception that allows teams to sign second-rounders to three- or four-year deals without dipping into cap space or their MLE. Such contracts either must be two years with a third-year team option or three years with a fourth-year team option, and they pay slightly more than the minimum salary for players with no NBA experience.

The new CBA introduced a second-round pick exception that allows teams to sign second-rounders to three- or four-year deals without dipping into cap space or their MLE. Such contracts either must be two years with a third-year team option or three years with a fourth-year team option, and they pay slightly more than the minimum salary for players with no NBA experience.

Not only did the new CBA introduce the second-round exception, but it also expanded each team's number of two-way contract slots from two to three. It's now far easier for teams to find roster spots for second-round picks, whether via the second-round exception or a two-way contract, without dipping into cap space or a part of their MLE. Although teams don't have great odds of finding an impact player with a pick in that range, they appear to be increasingly viewing mid-to-late second-rounders as low-risk, high-upside lottery tickets.

The changing valuation of draft picks could affect what teams should expect in return when they trade away star players. The Hawks traded three first-round picks and a first-round pick swap to the Spurs last summer for Dejounte Murray, while the Minnesota Timberwolves sent four first-round picks, a first-round swap and rookie first-round center Walker Kessler to the Jazz for Rudy Gobert. Both players likely wouldn't have fetched anywhere near as much one year later.

The Phoenix Suns gave up just about every first-round swap and second-round pick they had left after the blockbuster Kevin Durant deal in February to acquire Bradley Beal, whose no-trade clause allowed him to effectively hand-pick his next destination. The Warriors sent Jordan Poole, a top-20-protected 2030 first-rounder and a 2027 second-rounder to the Washington Wizards for Chris Paul's expiring contract. And the Boston Celtics acquired Kristaps Porzingis and two first-rounders in a three-team deal for Marcus Smart, Mike Muscala, Danilo Gallinari and a second-round pick.

As a result, this past trade deadline may wind up being the last of its kind. A whopping 71 second-round picks changed hands between Jan. 1 and the Feb. 9 deadline, according to Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports. It's fair to wonder how many teams would like a re-do on those moves now that the new CBA appears to have bolstered the value of those picks.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/08/01/why-nba-teams-are-valuing-draft-picks-more-than-ever-before/?sh=21bb3df67bbc