NCAA Friday Game Thread

shawnrbu

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This is the shot clock issue I was talking about.

Here's when the ref blew the whistle and the clock stopped on the NW backcourt violation. 47.9 on the game clock and the shot clock should be reset to 30 for FAU since it’s a change of possession at this point.

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And here's when the ref blew the whistle for the timeout by FAU. 35.4 on the game clock but for some reaskn

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Shot clock reset to 20 on a backcourt violation.
 

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Shot clock reset to 20 on a backcourt violation.
Why? It's a change of possession. Why should the team that gains possession get gypped 10 seconds just because the turnover is a backcourt violation instead of the other team just throwing the ball out of bounds?
 

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Why? It's a change of possession. Why should the team that gains possession get gypped 10 seconds just because the turnover is a backcourt violation instead of the other team just throwing the ball out of bounds?
I think it’s because the team gets the ball at midcourt instead of under the basket. No need for the 10 seconds to advance to the frontcourt. It does hurt in a scenario today with Florida Atlantic wanting to milk more clock.
 

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The game is over but they review one play where they blew the foul call and then don’t review the obvious missed call two seconds later.
 

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It's crazy how college bball teams play hard right to the buzzer no matter the score (even in the regular season)
 

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The eyesight of the official who made the bad call on the out of bounds play was eclipsed by the ball from seeing the FAU player's hand.
 

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I think it’s because the team gets the ball at midcourt instead of under the basket. No need for the 10 seconds to advance to the frontcourt. It does hurt in a scenario today with Florida Atlantic wanting to milk more clock.
So the other team loses the ball one foot on the other side of half court and they get the full 30 seconds, but if it's a backcourt violation they only get 20 seconds?

If that's actually the rule, that's tremendously stupid. Change of possession should give the other team the full 30 seconds on the shot clock. They earned it.
 

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Why? It's a change of possession. Why should the team that gains possession get gypped 10 seconds just because the turnover is a backcourt violation instead of the other team just throwing the ball out of bounds?
I'll respond with a serious answer, but also at the risk of "wokeness" allegations, note that "gypped" is not really a word that needs to be in anyone's vocabulary.

Moving on -- here's the NCAA's rationale for the rule change.

To amend Rule 2-11.6 by providing that the shot clock shall be reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining as set forth in subsections c. and d. of this rule when the offensive team retains or gains possession of the ball for a throw-in in the front court. Exception: When no reset is required per Rule 2-11.6.a or there is a change of team possession in the backcourt and the ball remains live. To accomplish this objective, the change would further require that Rule 2-11.6.b.8 only be applicable when the alternating possession arrow favors the defense. If the arrow favors the offense, there would be a 20-second reset under Rule 2-11.6.c. Rationale: The rule was changed initially last year to 1) increase the pace of play, 2) increase the number of possessions per team and 3) increase scoring. This amendment would correct an omission from last year’s rule and facilitate a clearer understanding of the rule for players, coaches and officials and further encourage the three objectives of this original rule.
 

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I'll respond with a serious answer, but also at the risk of "wokeness" allegations, note that "gypped" is not really a word that needs to be in anyone's vocabulary.
At the risk of sounding even more like an idiot, I have no idea why that word is wrong. Forgive me if I offended you or anyone else here.

Moving on -- here's the NCAA's rationale for the rule change.

To amend Rule 2-11.6 by providing that the shot clock shall be reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining as set forth in subsections c. and d. of this rule when the offensive team retains or gains possession of the ball for a throw-in in the front court. Exception: When no reset is required per Rule 2-11.6.a or there is a change of team possession in the backcourt and the ball remains live. To accomplish this objective, the change would further require that Rule 2-11.6.b.8 only be applicable when the alternating possession arrow favors the defense. If the arrow favors the offense, there would be a 20-second reset under Rule 2-11.6.c. Rationale: The rule was changed initially last year to 1) increase the pace of play, 2) increase the number of possessions per team and 3) increase scoring. This amendment would correct an omission from last year’s rule and facilitate a clearer understanding of the rule for players, coaches and officials and further encourage the three objectives of this original rule.
This doesn't look like a change of possession situation. It looks like it's about the offensive team retaining (offensive rebound or held ball situation where the arrow points their way) or gaining possession (gaining would be like on an offensive rebound where nobody technically has possession), not when the defensive team gains possession in the other team's half of the court.

So say, for example, that UConn is full court pressing Northwestern, and Newton knocks the ball out of bounds off a NW player's leg under NW's basket. UConn gains possession in the front court. But now they'd only get 20 seconds for their offensive possession instead of the full 30?
 

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At the risk of sounding even more like an idiot, I have no idea why that word is wrong. Forgive me if I offended you or anyone else here.
It is in that middle ground of words that's not a slur, and it's not really something that most in the U.S. really have much familiarity with, since the Romani are not really a thing here. So, you're not alone. But, you know, if there's another word that works as well, probably a better choice. Others may disagree.
 

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ESPN has the score wrong in the SDSU game.

EDIT: Now it's correct. Went like over a minute in real-time with the wrong score.
 

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So say, for example, that UConn is full court pressing Northwestern, and Newton knocks the ball out of bounds off a NW player's leg under NW's basket. UConn gains possession in the front court. But now they'd only get 20 seconds for their offensive possession instead of the full 30?
That's my understanding yes -- front court inbounds after change of possession would be a 20 second clock. But not something I've paid attention to until today!
 

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That's my understanding yes -- front court inbounds after change of possession would be a 20 second clock. But not something I've paid attention to until today!
well, nobody during that Northwestern game complained about it, neither the FAU coach, nor the announcers, so you must be right about all of this. It just seems patently unfair that you get a change of possession legitimately, but you only get 20 seconds on the shot clock instead of 30.
 

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Except Virginia.
Right but if they had been left out - or if Pittsburgh had been taken over them like they should have - it could be yet another positive data point

Edit: the weird thing about Virginia is that when they lost this year, they lost BIG. I think all losses but 1 were by 10+, and a whole bunch by 20.
 

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And Dan not happy with the letdown at halftime. Love it. He sounds more like Geno now.
If he was unhappy with the last couple of minutes of the first half, he's gotta be even more unhappy about the first few minutes of the second.
 

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I love Hurley and I love that he wants to keep the pedal to the metal but I also understand why it's hard to keep intensity redlined in a game like this.
 

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I thought that was a soft flagrant 2 on Auburn, but my son says that’s how it’s called nowadays.