Taking off on my last post, that's why I really want to see Notre Dame play Kentucky. Grant is exactly the kind of player that can get inside and make passes, and the Irish have the bigs to finish after the catch.
NCAA Tournament Saturday Game Thread
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The one thing Cinci doesn't have is a lot of talent offensively although their PG is good. If you could get a team that plays tough interior D and has some offensive weapons, that would help.
LOL and of course another KY over the back not called and then they ring up the cheap foul on Cincy
Also, it's because Kentucky sends so many guys to block the shots that they are susceptible to so many offensive rebounds, particularly on the back side. That guy in position to get the offensive rebound is the same guy that's usually open for the pass underneath if the guy driving looks for him.
KY has outscored Cinci by 35% -- and we're justifiably praising the Bearcats.
EDIT - Make it 40%
EDIT - Make it 40%
How the hell is that a foul on Cincy on the alley oop to Stein? The guy is just standing there, the Kentucky guard throws an alley oop over his head, and Stein goes up over him to get it, and he gets called for a foul. He literally didn't move. That's just so bad.
16-20 if you assume all the tank teams are trying to lose. They'd probably sweep Philly and the Wolves if they pressed the on button at the beginning. And they may have just as much talent on paper as the Knicks and Fakers without Kobe/Carmelo.canderson said:
Assuming they stay healthy and the NBA teams get injured isn't fair though.
Somebody here called the final score at 68-48 about 15 minutes ago, and that's going to be just about right.
There is nothing to criticize. It's like criticizing Papi or hundreds/thousands of baseball players in the steroid era, hundreds/thousands of NFL players. When everyone is working outside the guidelines is it really cheating when you are on a level playing field? Is it cheating when all of your competitors are too?StuckOnYouk said:
Results are what matter in this big money game. I've been over the morality aspect of big (and small) money sports for decades rather than live with the false belief that these recruiting competitions are played fairly. They aren't and haven't been for a long long time. Accet it and appreciate the greatness.
The best thing you can say about Cinncy is that they covered the spread. They went balls out for 30 minutes and they couldn't get it done. Kent is just good.
Cincinatti had 22 offensive rebounds in this game (Kentucky, with all that length, only had 12). The problem is Cincy, like PC last night, couldn't convert them into points, shooting only 31% from the field. They only had 5 assists in the game, so they also weren't looking for that extra pass that leads to clean looks against shot blockers.
That's the road map to beat Kentucky. Take it right at the shot blockers, and then look to dish it off to the open man underneath, or kick it out to an open shooter. And then follow up the miss by crashing the vacated boards because the Kentucky defenders are still recovering from the shot block attempt. You just have to make your shots when you get them, and Cincinatti couldn't do that. I have a feeling someone is going to come really close, if not beat Kentucky. The opportunity is there.
That's the road map to beat Kentucky. Take it right at the shot blockers, and then look to dish it off to the open man underneath, or kick it out to an open shooter. And then follow up the miss by crashing the vacated boards because the Kentucky defenders are still recovering from the shot block attempt. You just have to make your shots when you get them, and Cincinatti couldn't do that. I have a feeling someone is going to come really close, if not beat Kentucky. The opportunity is there.
The Knicks have already won 14 and UK's entire starting frontline would likely start for the Knicks. A couple other guys would get minutes too.canderson said:
One thing to factor is how the college rules are even slowing UK down so i'd expect this group to play considerably better under NBA rules.
You still need veterans to win in the NBA and this team would lack perimeter creators. I'd guess 20-25 wins which is MUCH higher than I would ever call for a college team against the NBA. You have to factor that this isn't a normal college team but rather one where as many as 9-10 players will wear an NBA uniform at some point which has never occured before.
HomeRunBaker said:
I think you would agree there are certain levels. The idea that everyone is doing things the same way Kentucky is or some of the SEC football teams are is kind of out there.
Kentucky is in the stratosphere and is easy to hate. Well, Calipari is at least.
Just in terms of the shot clock or are you thinking of other factors?HomeRunBaker said:
Twice as many games, every game eight minutes longer and way more physical. I think even a college team with this much talent would be gassed and battered after two months.
I don't know advanced basketball stats at all. Is it possible to come up with a league-wide team of current rookies that you think might be comparable to UK on talent and see how they stack up on cumulative WAR or something like that?
Of course I understand why people hate them it's the same reason the entire country hates the Patriots. I appreciate his greatness not only in building his resume to where the best HSers in the country beg to come to UK but for what he did what jack squat when he took over the UMass and Memphis programs. He won at UMass without a single legit NBA player and one undersized big in Lou Roe.StuckOnYouk said:
Nothing to do with the shot clock and more to do with the NBA rules which open up the floor for these guys. For example, Anthony-Towns will be a 20+ ppg scorer in the NBA very quickly once he gets away from the college zone just as Anthony Davis did so right away they have a go-to scorer. Wait until people see his perimeter game as it grows to the 3-point line.Dehere said:
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Yes. That was an odd comment by HRB. Camby was legit. And he had a long and very successful career in the NBA.
I think HRB is saying Calipari won even before Camby arrived. He took UMass to the Sweet Sixteen in '92, four years before the Final Four appearance with Camby, Padilla, Travieso et al.
An awful lot of cool shit has happened in this game, but neither team can shake the other on the scoreboard.
Calipari turned a moribund program into a 30-win Elite Eight squad with 6-6 center Harper Williams, Jim McCoy and Tony Barbee as their three main guys. This was before Camby and before Roe was a starter.johnmd20 said:
He did the same when he took over the broken Memphis program.
Two big empty sections in Jacksonville. Probably those basketball purists from North Carolina who won't show up until their team plays.
G State better not let this get out of hand. It's early but down 9 after 7 minutes is probably not how they drew it up. Xavier can be beaten, however.
What's the toughest path from here? WV or Maryland? I's guess WV, but that's because I like Huggins as a coach (not really as a person, though.)johnmd20 said:
Then ND, rather than KU, Butler or Wichita St.?
Then Arizona or Wisconsin? I think oinions might be evenly split on that one.
Who from the South or East would be the toughest challenge in the final game? I know some were claiming 'Nova a week ago.
Thompson swish from three, following an AZ three. HUGE. And then York answers with a three. Bleh.
Arizona is murderously good on defense.johnmd20 said:
Zona, UK and UVA are each having insane defensive years. Zona is 3rd in the nation, but are giving up 1.5 pts/100 possessions less than they did as the best defense in the country last year.
How scary is Arizona.
Their 3 leading scorers on the season have only 14 pts on 5/26 shooting.
Johnson 1/9
Ashley 3/8
Hollis-Jefferson 1/9
Their 3 leading scorers on the season have only 14 pts on 5/26 shooting.
Johnson 1/9
Ashley 3/8
Hollis-Jefferson 1/9
Does nobody in the PAC 12 play a 2-3 zone? Because Miller has no idea what to do with it. Conventional wisdom is that repeatedly trying to shoot over the zone is a recipe for failure, but York is so hot and Arizon's defense is so good it probably won't matter today, but they are lucky these threes are dropping.