NLDS game thread

[bankshot1]

So if the play was at the plate instead of 2nd, would Utley been credited with a run scored?

 

[Gdiguy]

As a mets fan I don't care about utleys slide, that's borderline dirty but looked worse because tejada messed up the transfer and was blindsided

I'm at the game, and between the dodgers fans cheering tejada's broken ankle and the replay I may strangle someobe

 

[Rough Carrigan]

This game isn't over yet.  The Mets have two shots against the Dodgers' uninspiring bullpen.

 

[nvalvo]

https://twitter.com/BrianPickett/status/653056115643650048

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

This is probably one of those review scenarios where the umps get to make shit up by placing runners where they would be if the right call had been made. "If he had been called safe he wouldn't have left for the dugout."

Which is what they did.

 

[54thMA]

I'd be breaking shit right now if I were a mets fan. This is ridiculous.

Imagine the Dodgers scoring THREE runs with TWO outs on the Mets when it looked like they were dead; imagine the odds of scoring THREE runs with TWO outs.
 
When have we seen that in the playofffs/World Series?

 

[patinorange]

This game isn't over yet.  The Mets have two shots against the Dodgers' uninspiring bullpen.

They certainly have had issues before getting to the closer.

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

This is probably one of those review scenarios where the umps get to make shit up by placing runners where they would be if the right call had been made. "If he had been called safe he wouldn't have let for the dugout."

"And Tejada could have tagged him because he still hadn't touched the base." And no, we don't know if Tejada would have or not. I'm okay with letting Utley's slide go because the runner at first was safe anyway. Letting Utley on second is a really strained reading of the rules and, more importantly, a totally unjust outcome.

 

[glasspusher]

Imagine the Dodgers scoring THREE runs with TWO outs on the Mets when it looked like they were dead; imagine the odds of scoring THREE runs with TWO outs.
 
When have we seen that in the playofffs/World Series?

Well played, sir.

 

[E5 Yaz]

"And Tejada could have tagged him because he still hadn't touched the base." And no, we don't know if Tejada would have or not. I'm okay with letting Utley's slide go because the runner at first was safe anyway. Letting Utley on second is a really strained reason of the rules and, more importantly, a totally unjust outcome.

 
And you just know that there might have been an ump or two, and people in the mlb offices, hoping AGon made the third out

 

[E5 Yaz]

I imagine Utley will get quite the reception in NY

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

"And Tejada could have tagged him because he still hadn't touched the base." And no, we don't know if Tejada would have or not. I'm okay with letting Utley's slide go because the runner at first was safe anyway. Letting Utley on second is a really strained reading of the rules and, more importantly, a totally unjust outcome.

Oh .. I agree completely. But that's what you get with Replay .. Umps making up What If scenarios. I hate it.

 

[ilol@u]

I agree 100%.
I have no issue with the slide. But he should not have been awarded the base without touching it.

 

[soxhop411]

Wut?

@Stareagle: According to MLB rules, on a replay where BOTH the fielder misses the bag/tag AND the runner misses the bag, the runner is ruled safe.

 

[BroodsSexton]

Wut?

@Stareagle: According to MLB rules, on a replay where BOTH the fielder misses the bag/tag AND the runner misses the bag, the runner is ruled safe.

tie to the runner?

 

[hbk72777]

So if this was a force out at home plate, and he never touched the bag, they'd give him the run?

 

[patinorange]

So if this was a force out at home plate, and he never touched the bag, they'd give him the run?

Yes. If the ump called him out and he left the field. And it was overturned on replay. Apparently.

 

[glasspusher]

Is Utley talking to his lawyer there in the dugout?

 

[barbed wire Bob]

PUIG!

 

[Rough Carrigan]

PUIG!

He got furloughed.

 

[hbk72777]

Yes. If the ump called him out and he left the field. Apparently.

 
That's good for the players to know. Never go back and touch the plate if you missed it and the catcher missed the tag, this way you can challenge and be called safe.

 

[barbed wire Bob]

Well that was disappointing.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

So they're just making this shit up as they go along. Good to know. 

 
Seriously. Can anybody explain what's the difference in that context between a force play and a neighborhood play? 

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Well .. To give the devil his due .. Any choice is wrong .. How can you have the runner safe if he never reaches the bag/plate .. Conversely how can he out if the fielder never touches the bag?

It's an enigma wrapped in a conundrum .. Leading to the universe swallowing itself.

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

Looks like the Old Testament at the Stadium. Specifically book 2.

 

[Rough Carrigan]

 
That's good for the players to know. Never go back and touch the plate if you missed it and the catcher missed the tag, this way you can challenge and be called safe.

So, Eric Byrnes wasn't an idiot he was just prescient?

 

[patinorange]

Well .. To give the devil his due .. Any choice is wrong .. How can you have the runner safe if he never reaches the bag/plate .. Conversely how can he out if the fielder never touches the bag?

It's an enigma wrapped in a conundrum .. Leading to the universe swallowing itself.

We all wanted replay. Here it is.

 

[soxhop411]

@BillShaikin: Tejada has broken leg.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

We all wanted replay. Here it is.

Not all of us. I hate it.

 

[hbk72777]

So, Eric Byrnes wasn't an idiot he was just prescient?

 
Watching MLB network, the correct answer is always "Eric Byrnes is an idiot"

 

[soxhop411]

@Joelsherman1: Tejada fractured right fibula #Mets

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Utley thinks he's in Veteran's Stadium

 

[glasspusher]

So, Eric Byrnes wasn't an idiot he was just prescient?

 Now that's funny. I was thinking that. Good times.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

 
Watching MLB network, the correct answer is always "Eric Byrnes is an idiot"

I AGREE WITH A YANKEE FAN

 

[nvalvo]

 
Seriously. Can anybody explain what's the difference in that context between a force play and a neighborhood play? 

Sounds like MLBs position is that the throw pulled him off, so his touching the bag becomes mandatory/reviewable.

I'm not sure that's a wise rule, but it is a rule.

 

[BornToRun]

@BillShaikin: Tejada has broken leg.

No doubt Utley is going to get drilled should the opportunity present itself.

 

[barbed wire Bob]

@BillShaikin: Tejada has broken leg.

That really sucks.

 

[patinorange]

No doubt Utley is going to get drilled should the opportunity present itself.

I'm going to disagree.

 

[Rough Carrigan]

I AGREE WITH A YANKEE FAN

Dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!

 

[hbk72777]

Sideline reporters are so obsolete with Twitter.

 

[Dahabenzapple2]

Dirty douchebag play.

Not sure you call the batter out but if that doesn't get you thrown out of the game, what should?!?!

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

No doubt Utley is going to get drilled should the opportunity present itself.

I think there is some doubt

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

Sounds like MLBs position is that the throw pulled him off, so his touching the bag becomes mandatory/reviewable.

I'm not sure that's a wise rule, but it is a rule.

Yeah that's really problematic. Tejada no doubt puts more effort into tagging the bag if he knew for sure he had to.

 

[nvalvo]

So what's NY's SS situation like?

 

[BornToRun]

I'm going to disagree.

You might be right. It's the playoffs and you don't want to put a runner on for free and risk a suspension. I'd say he deserves it, though. Should've thought that comment through a little more.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

On further review that slide WAS illegal .. He didn't even "slide" until he was passed the bag. If MLB considers a full body block on the second baseman a legal play then I don't know what to say. On another night he's called out with the batter out as well for interference. And the Metskies would still be leading.

 

[kieckeredinthehead]

Let's not forget that the neighborhood play rule is in place to keep middle infielders from getting injured

 

[nvalvo]

Yeah that's really problematic. Tejada no doubt puts more effort into tagging the bag if he knew for sure he had to.

Also, the whole point of the neighborhood rule is to protect infielders. Don't put cracks in that edifice.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

So what's NY's SS situation like?

I would think Flores takes over, tears and all.  So-so defensively.  Pretty solid hitter

 

[nvalvo]

On further review that slide WAS illegal .. He didn't even "slide" until he was passed the bag. If MLB considers a full body block on the second baseman a legal play then I don't know what to say. On another night he's called out with the batter out as well for interference. And the Metskies would still be leading.

This is also what I see.