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DJnVa

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Boy, if you want to make a wild variance gamble, Mike Williams would be your guy. When he's (rarely) healthy, he looks an awful lot like a #1 WR.
Looking at it more, 2017-18 and 2023 were big injury years. 2019-2022 he was 15, 11, 14, 13, so always good to miss a few games a year if he can avoid the catastrophic stuff. Pats seem to be into incentive laden deals...
 

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Looking at it more, 2017-18 and 2023 were big injury years. 2019-2022 he was 15, 11, 14, 13, so always good to miss a few games a year if he can avoid the catastrophic stuff. Pats seem to be into incentive laden deals...
I seem to have him on my fantasy team every year so I've watched a ton of his games. When he's right, he's a legit weapon and borderline uncoverable at times.
 

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Looking at it more, 2017-18 and 2023 were big injury years. 2019-2022 he was 15, 11, 14, 13, so always good to miss a few games a year if he can avoid the catastrophic stuff. Pats seem to be into incentive laden deals...
His ESPN page has this:
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DJnVa

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Bryant was mentioned as a potential guy here, but it appears we wanted Hooper:

 

BaseballJones

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Looking at it more, 2017-18 and 2023 were big injury years. 2019-2022 he was 15, 11, 14, 13, so always good to miss a few games a year if he can avoid the catastrophic stuff. Pats seem to be into incentive laden deals...
I'd absolutely look into him for an incentive-laden deal. He's legit really good. Obviously comes with risk, and doesn't at all mean they shouldn't also draft WRs, but if healthy (that's the catch, right?), he's superb.
 

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Flacco to Indy - 1 year, "up to" $8.7. $4.5 guaranteed.

I guess the Pats trusted Jacoby more.
 
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nattysez

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I assume this means that Denver is even more fully tanking this year than previously anticipated.
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What a world where I'm pissed the Pats didn't sign an average starting RT. Maybe they're rolling a ton of cap space to 2025.
I wish they'd signed him because he's an average starting LT... we have 3 okay options at RT (Onwenu, Okorafor, McDermott). I'm far less comfortable at LT where we have.... Anderson? Okorafor could move over I guess but he hasn't played on the left since college.
 

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I wish they'd signed him because he's an average starting LT... we have 3 okay options at RT (Onwenu, Okorafor, McDermott). I'm far less comfortable at LT where we have.... Anderson? Okorafor could move over I guess but he hasn't played on the left since college.
Onwenu doesn't seem to be a RT fit in the AVP run scheme. Maybe in a pinch or injury situation.
 

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Onwenu doesn't seem to be a RT fit in the AVP run scheme. Maybe in a pinch or injury situation.
I'm not a huge fan of the fit either, but indications are they plan to use him there unless something changes
 

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Interesting to see how different the approaches between Carolina/Washington/NYG and the Pats are
The vibe here about WAS is that most everyone feels pretty good about how they approached FA. The only kept one of their own (so far) and brought in a dozen new guys. Sweeping out the Snyder / Rivera stench all at once. For the first time in a long time there is some genuine excitement around the team. Not because of a big splash in FA (hello D. Sanders, A. Archuleta and B. Smith) but because there appears to be a plan with real, live adults implementing it.
 

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The vibe here about WAS is that most everyone feels pretty good about how they approached FA. The only kept one of their own (so far) and brought in a dozen new guys. Sweeping out the Snyder / Rivera stench all at once. For the first time in a long time there is some genuine excitement around the team. Not because of a big splash in FA (hello D. Sanders, A. Archuleta and B. Smith) but because there appears to be a plan with real, live adults implementing it.
Was Rivera disliked locally? I know the results weren't good, but I would have thought he was viewed agnostically or even with a bit of sympathy given the clowns he worked with in the front office. He also did his duty as a lame duck, lost out and delivered a nice R1 pick.

What's the Commander QB chatter? One of the guys coming into focus or getting more love from the fanbase?
 

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Folk re-signs for 3.75m with the Titans.

It is really interesting to me that Vrabel seems unconcerned about his abysmal kickoff numbers, whereas it really was important to Bill. I kind of feel like Vrabel has it right even though I don’t have data to back it up. With touchbacks starting at the 25, do we really care if a kicker can’t get it that far on a consistent basis? Sure you will give up returns here or there, but an accurate clutch kicker seems like it matters a lot with how close games are in the fourth quarter league wide.

Edit — whoops. Add past tense for Vrabel.
 
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Folk re-signs for 3.75m with the Titans.

It is really interesting to me that Vrabel seems unconcerned about his abysmal kickoff numbers, whereas it really was important to Bill. I kind of feel like Vrabel has it right even though I don’t have data to back it up. With touchbacks starting at the 25, do we really care if a kicker can’t get it that far on a consistent basis? Sure you will give up returns here or there, but an accurate clutch kicker seems like it matters a lot with how close games are in the fourth quarter league wide.
Vrabel?
 

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Folk re-signs for 3.75m with the Titans.

It is really interesting to me that Vrabel seems unconcerned about his abysmal kickoff numbers, whereas it really was important to Bill. I kind of feel like Vrabel has it right even though I don’t have data to back it up. With touchbacks starting at the 25, do we really care if a kicker can’t get it that far on a consistent basis? Sure you will give up returns here or there, but an accurate clutch kicker seems like it matters a lot with how close games are in the fourth quarter league wide.

Edit — whoops. Add past tense for Vrabel.
I don't think it was just the kickoffs. Folk struggled with longer FGs outdoors/weather his final year, Bill didn't trust him much on the 45 and out stuff in those situations, basically after the home Jets and Bills games he didn't trust him with anything long outdoors... he also missed 3 of this final 7 XP attempts that year. He was showing signs of not being the super-dependable if a little weak legged guy he had been.

I think Bill saw an opportunity to get younger and cheaper and get a guy with a bigger leg. Didn't work out. Folk went to a warm weather team where he basically had no cold/weather games at all.
 

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For Donte Jackson and a very late pick swap. Is Donte Jackson good? That is a deal the Patriots should have been all over if not, I think you could argue Diontae would have been the best WR available if he were part of this FA class.
I would have loved to see him in a pats uni.
 

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Was Rivera disliked locally? I know the results weren't good, but I would have thought he was viewed agnostically or even with a bit of sympathy given the clowns he worked with in the front office. He also did his duty as a lame duck, lost out and delivered a nice R1 pick.

What's the Commander QB chatter? One of the guys coming into focus or getting more love from the fanbase?
I think people got "tired" of Rivera. The team never got better, and he seemed really disconnected during the games and at press conferences. He took a lot of bullets for Snyder, but by the end it was time for him to go. Getting the new owners only accelerated the feeling that he should be gone.

QB, the eternal question..... It seems like Daniels or Maye. Someone on the radio floated an interesting idea last week. If WAS likes Fields, trade the pick to CHI for Fields and a bunch of other picks (some firsts in the coming years plus a few others) so that CHI gets Williams and Marvin Harrison, Jr. I find it extremely unlikely that WAS has any interest in Fields but the trade idea was something to think about. The talk is that if they like Maye or someone else, maybe they trade back just a little if they feel he can be had at 9, 10, 11 or whatever.
 

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Really impressive to get the restructures for a 5-win team. Harbaugh Effect.
Let's see what the restructure is first.

If instead of taking a 15M salary this year he's taking a 2M salary and a 13M signing bonus, that's the anybody could be the coach effect.
 

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Let's see what the restructure is first.

If instead of taking a 15M salary this year he's taking a 2M salary and a 13M signing bonus, that's the anybody could be the coach effect.
The speculation someone had a while back was that they would add 2 void years, convert most of the $22M in salary and roster bonuses into a re-structure signing bonus spread it out. He gets his full 38.5M this year, still a FA next year, the team wears the cap hit in 2025 and 2026.

I doubt Mack gave any money back.
 

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It's going to be a 5th or 6th for Fields at this point. Someone brings him in as the back-up. I don't see anywhere that he'd start, except maybe Denver?
 

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I mean, at this point, how much harm is there for Chicago if they hold on to Fields and have him start the year. If he's potentially only commanding a fifth round pick right now, he should be worth a whole lot more if he has a couple ok weeks to start 2024 and the first QB goes down with a season ending injury.

I get the wanting to close the book on Fields and begin a new one with Williams, but if extracting as much value as possible is the goal, it might be better to hang on to him.
 

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If they keep him I think they are doing so as a back-up and just giving up on a return. (They'll decide he's more valuable as a cheap back-up than a R5 or R6 pick). If the market for him now is weak, I think it will be even more so mid-season. Yes, there will be injuries, but the knock on him has been his ability to process and make good decisions. That's even harder without an off-season in a system. (I guess he could go to LV with Getsy, but they likely are not going to be in it enough care about winning this year if their starting QB goes down.)
 

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Fields is interesting. The cold logical move is to hold him and wait for a playoff hopeful with a weak backup to lose their QB.
The flip side is the stuff you can't see from the outside... how does that play in the locker room, is it a distraction,etc. I wouldn't be worried too much about Caleb having issues, but if Caleb struggles does it get toxic with vets who support Fields?

My guess is for now maybe they hold him until the draft then go back to the QB needy teams that don't get one... DEN, MIN, etc.
 

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I absolutely love that signing for Buffalo. A target I wanted to kick the tires on gone, unfortunately.
 

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Seahawks were rumored to be in on Fields.

Not a lot of landing spots left.
Fields was never going to Seattle. He didnt fit Pete's scheme and he wasnt going to fit McDonald. You dont have the three WR stable that SEA has and trade for a run first QB. Howell is perfect since he loves to throw the ball
 

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Baffling. I have never gotten the Mixon thing, he is a decent passcatcher, he's generally healthy but... he's a 4.0 YPC guy, that's a JAG