Not our Star Blazer: Yamamoto signs with the Dodgers for $325 million, 12 years

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If Morosi is right about this and the bit "YY is tired of being on the smaller team" then there is no realistic shot for the Red Sox. Maybe this is why the Yankees appear so confident.

So apparently, "full throttle" won't be enough in this case. Awesome.
YY plus maybe a couple more pitchers go off the board and full throttle is going to look pretty mid. Still time tho’.

Yea at the end or the day Boston cannot compete with the eyeballs New York or LA gets and frankly, they're better cities to live in if you have a couple hundred million and are in your 20s. Boston basically goes to sleep by 10pm and has like three shitty night clubs in a one block radius. Real fun stuff if you're loaded and young.
Perfect, if I’m paying him for 10+ years $40 million then I want him home in a freaking hyperbaric chamber by 1030. Plus everywhere is your oyster if you are young and loaded and famous.
 

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$1.2 billion plus assurances from Henry that the team will relocate within three years to a bigger market. Who says no?
 

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I mean, if you're a superstar free agent, wouldn't you rather be on a team with Aaron Judge and Juan Soto and Gerrit Cole than what Boston can offer? It's not like the Red Sox can necessarily claim a brighter future either. This doesn't feel like a very difficult decision if you're Yamamoto.
 

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I mean, if you're a superstar free agent, wouldn't you rather be on a team with Aaron Judge and Juan Soto and Gerrit Cole than what Boston can offer? It's not like the Red Sox can necessarily claim a brighter future either. This doesn't feel like a very difficult decision if you're Yamamoto.
Oh, the Sox can make it very difficult. Everyone has a price and enough money can bridge all sorts of gaps. I am not suggesting that they should pay up but presumably the Sox FO knows that they have to compete with what NY has to offer.
 

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YY plus maybe a couple more pitchers go off the board and full throttle is going to look pretty mid. Still time tho’.
Well, you can go full throttle but if the car is in neutral all it does it make a lot of noise.
 

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A reminder to everyone that if Yamamoto signs elsewhere, then the Red Sox are still competing with the Yankees, Mets etc for the remaining free agent pitchers on the market. I can see a situation where every top tier pitcher (except maybe Yamamoto) ends up with a huge contract that ends up being a mistake in 2-5 years.
 

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Morosi: My belief is the Yankees are the front runners. Mentions the Mets and Dodgers as the other teams he may go to. He wants to go to the biggest market and on the biggest stage.

Does not bode well for the Red Sox
View: https://twitter.com/mlbnetwork/status/1737137055983882373?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
View: https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1737141141349290345?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
What is Yoshinobu's "longstanding connection and affinity" to the Yankees that Morosi reports here? I've never heard anything about that.
 

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One thing we have others don’t.

“You’ll be the face of Fenway Sports Group.”
JWH on the phone to Liverpool: "Coach Klopp, if you want to keep your job, you'll have a new quarterback for this weekend's games. Name's Yamamoto."
 

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I find it hard to believe cohen won’t go to 375 or 400. He may want the Yankees but Cohen alone is going to make Hal and Cash up the money as much as possible I’d like to think.
I forgot what Mets reporter mentioned this, but YY is the only starter that Cohen and the Mets front office would overpay for. It was basically left as it’s all or nothing (significant) for the Mets this offseason outside of YY
 

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Oh, the Sox can make it very difficult. Everyone has a price and enough money can bridge all sorts of gaps. I am not suggesting that they should pay up but presumably the Sox FO knows that they have to compete with what NY has to offer.
Show him a mashup video of every Sox-Yankees playoff series of the last 20 years. End it with the World Series celebrations. He will understand the point. The Yankees are the Yomiuri Giants. Yamamoto wasn't a Giant.
 

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What is Yoshinobu's "longstanding connection and affinity" to the Yankees that Morosi reports here? I've never heard anything about that.
There were some reports that he's always been a Yankees fan and coveted playing for the team. There were also similar things said about the Dodgers.

My personal opinion on all of this is that none of it matters. There does seem to be a little smoke regarding a lot of people saying the Yankees seem to be favorites but I don't know any yankees fans who believe it. I still don't know that I'll be gutted if he signs somewhere else until I really start to see some performance. Like, he's not gonna win the cy young every year. He's gonna get hurt. He's gonna have bad games. I want him badly....but emotionally I'm not all that attached given that I've seen him throw 20 pitches in my life.
 

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I still don't know that I'll be gutted if he signs somewhere else until I really start to see some performance. Like, he's not gonna win the cy young every year. He's gonna get hurt. He's gonna have bad games. I want him badly....but emotionally I'm not all that attached given that I've seen him throw 20 pitches in my life.
No wonder you're not a Red Sox fan
 

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If the Sox end up offering him like 10/$350m and he turns it down to play for the Yankees, I can't be too upset with Boston, because that's more than a serious, legitimate offer and it would be clear to me that they really, really tried to get him. Sometimes you do that and the guy just decides to go elsewhere.
 

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I know the "show him the 2004 clips" is mostly tongue in cheek but it's worth nothing that Yamamoto was 6 years old when that series happened, that stuff is ancient history. (And yes, it makes me feel immeasurably old too.)
 

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No wonder you're not a Red Sox fan
I laughed. But really, baseball is rarely a sport where championships are won on the back of a single player. It might sound like BS coming from a Yankees fan but flexing financial muscle is my least favorite way to get better. 2017 was one of my favorite years because a bunch of nobody kids almost made it to the WS in a year we weren’t supposed to. The last couple of years have sucked, not because we didn’t win a WS, but because any excitement is coming from basically 1 or 2 players. Whether we get Yamamoto or not, I’m excited to see year 2 for Volpe paired with Soto a couple of other new outfielders with energy.
 

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If the Sox end up offering him like 10/$350m and he turns it down to play for the Yankees, I can't be too upset with Boston, because that's more than a serious, legitimate offer and it would be clear to me that they really, really tried to get him. Sometimes you do that and the guy just decides to go elsewhere.
100% agree. Of course, that will never satisfy the folks who think the only offer that can possibly count as "serious" or "legitimate" is one that is at least a dollar more than the next biggest and results in signing the guy. A player choosing somewhere else or another team offering more is simply abject failure.
 

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If he does go to the Yankees, I can at least take solace in how uncomfortable it's going to be for FSG. I'm not completely down on the 5 year view of the team, but there is plenty to be unhappy about since the magical 2018 season and I will cry no tears for John Henry having to sweat out potential poor ticket sales until the team is relevant again.

Obviously if the offer is the same and YY simply chooses somewhere else, I agree it's not rational to view it as an organizational failure. But if the difference is in part that the Sox aren't considered a premier destination anymore, I think it's fair to ask what decisions brought us to that point.
 

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While the Red Sox have certainly had more success this century than the Yankees in terms of titles and head-to-head in the playoffs, I wonder if there is any thought about coming to New York to help bring them back to glory. I don't know if these guys care about any of that stuff, but helping the New York Yankees win their first title since 2009 would give him super stardom beyond winning in a lot of places.
 

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If YY signs for a Cole-level contract (as seems likely), are there potential legal ramifications of his signing for a contract at his age that no player subject to the MLB draft could attain? I would assume Boras has invested significant energy in this realm.
 

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I mean, if you're a superstar free agent, wouldn't you rather be on a team with Aaron Judge and Juan Soto and Gerrit Cole than what Boston can offer? It's not like the Red Sox can necessarily claim a brighter future either. This doesn't feel like a very difficult decision if you're Yamamoto.
Unless they offer $50 million more. The Yankees weakness is they have a lot of money tied up in big contracts. Boston has Devers, and the rest of Sale and Story. If we blow them away in total money, they may not match.
 

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FWIW, I made one prompt, asking Bard to write a story about YY falling in love with Boston while using lot of Boston stereotypes. I then made a second prompt to modify the story to include him being a FA pitcher who recently signed with the Red Sox. But I didn't tinker with the results or ask it to add any particular thing. (Hence my amusement and my posting it.)

The first version had some absolutely hysterical bits also, the more so if you just lightly drill down. So I'll post it here:


I mean, you know its a warm day when you can smell Fenway Park in Southie. . .
When I saw your post, I was interested to see who ChatGPT thought the front runner was. Asked it to analyze any internet data about YY, and based on what his personal preference might be - and if all offers were equal - make a prediction between the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Red Sox.

After several attempts to NOT answer - go out in a fucking ledge AI - it finally decided on...the Yankees.
 

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There were some reports that he's always been a Yankees fan and coveted playing for the team. There were also similar things said about the Dodgers.
This shouldn’t surprise anyone. Go to any country outside the U.S. and amongst non-Americans basically every baseball cap is NY or LA, whether the person is a fan or has never even seen a baseball. They have unrivaled international brand awareness.
 

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I really dislike baseball’s free agency period. It’s such a drag and situations like this that are reported on falsely for weeks leading you to find out that nothing you read was real is exhausting.

The Yankees or Dodgers will get him. This isn’t 2005 when the most money wins, every deal is enough money to ensure centuries of riches for your family tree.

The Red Sox as a team are wildly not compelling and haven’t been since 2019.
 

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So the Yankees rotation would be?
Cole
YY
Rodon
Cortes
German
Potentially lethal But potentially terrible after the first 2.
I travel a lot internationally. You see NYY and LA caps everywhere - and worn by people who couldn't tell the difference between a hockey puck and a baseball. LA and NYY are on a different level really and Boston is at a significant disadvantage competing with them for international players I would think.

I have always thought Mookie wanted to go to LA.
 
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So the Yankees rotation would be?
Cole
YY
Rodon
Cortes
German
Potentially lethal But potentially terrible after the first 2.
I travel a lot internationally. You see NYY and LA caps everywhere - and worn by people who couldn't tell the difference between a hockey puck and a baseball. LA and NYY are on a different level really and Boston is at a significant disadvantage competing with them for international players I would think.

I have always thought Mookie wanted to go to LA.
German is gone, Clarke Schmidt.
 

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Obviously if the offer is the same and YY simply chooses somewhere else, I agree it's not rational to view it as an organizational failure. But if the difference is in part that the Sox aren't considered a premier destination anymore, I think it's fair to ask what decisions brought us to that point.
Yes, yes it certainly is fair to ask that question.
 

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He's gonna sign somewhere else! He's gonna pick another team! Our city sucks! Our nightlife sucks! Our weather sucks! Our team sucks! Our brand sucks! We haven't been to the ALCS in three seasons! We suck! We're doomed!
 

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I wish he would hurry up and pick so I can know whether I love him with all of my heart or hate him with the fire of a thousand burning suns.
 

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We could show him that sweet '23 AL Cost Certainty Trophy. Its on the mantle next to the '22 AL Launch Angle Award.
I remember when this board mocked Larry Lucchino after Feeding the Monster came out. He didn't understand that Sox fans were sophisticated, we howled, and didn't need shiny objects to keep us entertained. He wouldn't allow Theo to rebuild two years out of every ten in order to be sustainably competitive. He was an idiot for believing that Sox fans would never stand for that. Well if the past two years have proven anything, it's that we were wrong and he was right.
 

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I remember when this board mocked Larry Lucchino after Feeding the Monster came out. He didn't understand that Sox fans were sophisticated, we howled, and didn't need shiny objects to keep us entertained. He wouldn't allow Theo to rebuild two years out of every ten in order to be sustainably competitive. He was an idiot for believing that Sox fans would never stand for that. Well if the past two years have proven anything, it's that we were wrong and he was right.
With as much money it costs to go to Fenway these days and how much the Red Sox make as a whole, yes they need to invest that money heavily back into the team and be among the highest spenders in the game. That includes superstar-caliber talent being brought in and/or developed and kept. Fans have a right to be pissed with the overall results of the last 5 years.
 

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I dunno. It ain't a binary: either you're unsophisticated and entitled and impatient, or you are sophisticated with a deep understanding of analytics and the long view, and so are patient with multi-year rebuild, understanding the principles of sustainability, etc.
We needn't make a caricature of POVs we don't fully agree with.
The Red Sox are not in a great position right now as an organization. It's not hopeless - I like our top 3 farm dudes, and Abreu and Duran have real promise too. But 4 seasons after the departures of DD and MB, the ML squad is not in great shape, the full organization is starved for pitching, and it doesn't seem like Boston has the same luster it once had, losing FA to TB and KC, in the last couple of off seasons.
There's a lot of fixing to be done. And some of that fixing could come from big time FA signings. Not all of it, but some. In fact, I'd say some of it HAS to. That's not an idiotic position - advocating the Sox sign a couple of the best players in the game! If you want to win championships, you need some elite talent - that's just the way it is.
 

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With as much money it costs to go to Fenway these days and how much the Red Sox make as a whole, yes they need to invest that money heavily back into the team and be among the highest spenders in the game. That includes superstar-caliber talent being brought in and/or developed and kept. Fans have a right to be pissed with the overall results of the last 5 years.
Yes, as Lucchino understood, fans have the right to feel however they feel.
 
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Yes, as Lucchino understood, fans have the fight to feel however they feel.
Five year championship droughts are unacceptable. Same sentiment exists in the football forum too, where fans are calling for the head of the most successful coach of the modern era x2. But as himself would say, it is what it is.

Say what you want about Lucchino, he was no dummy.
 

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Five year championship droughts are unacceptable. Same sentiment exists in the football forum too, where fans are calling for the head of the most successful coach of the modern era x2. But as himself would say, it is what it is.

Say what you want about Lucchino, he was no dummy.
This is such an interesting point. As the most casual of football fans, i was actually going to ask the board whether this is just a Sox phenomenon, or whether it's more a Boston thing. And the way I was hoping to get at that was to ask whether Pats fans have turned on that organization as well. Your post makes clear they have.

It's crazy. Yamamoto hasn't made any decisions. We have no idea what he will or won't do. And a segment SOSH is already thrown into despair about the outcome. For Christ's sake, every one of his suitors except for one isn't going to get him. Only in Boston does that become an existential crisis. The unknown preferences of some 25 year old kid who's never thrown a pitch in major league baseball is somehow dredging up decades of angst and despair. You'd think four championships in twenty years would heal these wounds. But this is Boston.
 

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I remember when this board mocked Larry Lucchino after Feeding the Monster came out. He didn't understand that Sox fans were sophisticated, we howled, and didn't need shiny objects to keep us entertained. He wouldn't allow Theo to rebuild two years out of every ten in order to be sustainably competitive. He was an idiot for believing that Sox fans would never stand for that. Well if the past two years have proven anything, it's that we were wrong and he was right.
I don’t agree with this. I think Sox fans, and fans of any team in general, want to be given realistic expectations.

If the team came out and said they were rebuilding, then took steps to actually rebuild, I believe that Boston fans would be fine with that path.
 

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I don’t agree with this. I think Sox fans, and fans of any team in general, want to be given realistic expectations.

If the team came out and said they were rebuilding, then took steps to actually rebuild, I believe that Boston fans would be fine with that path.
This is a quite reasonable take. I have said many times that I wish the ownership group would just say it already! I don't see how anyone can look at what they've done for the past few years and not see clearly that they've been rebuilding, but then again, I probably pay more attention to the day to day than some fans who just want to enjoy the games.

That said, it has frustrated me that they've been unwilling to just come out and say, hey, we're going to rebuild...and then commit to the damn process. It would have meant even better drafts, less-muddled trade deadlines, and less pressure on some of the younger players coming up. I think the reasons they haven't done that is residual Lucchino-era fear of doing a rebuild...but I also think that some of the reactions here show that a large segment of the fan base IS unwilling to accept a rebuild.

Overall, though, I agree with you and would have liked to see them take this approach.
 

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There is a fairly large segment of the fandom, although much less educated and informed than most on SOSH, who will say a large market team like the Red Sox, who charge the highest ticket prices in baseball, and raise them every year, and have an owner who can spend whatever he wishes can never say the word "rebuild" or the Shaugnessy's of the world would bury them mercilessly.
 

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I'd rather see a team contend for several months then fall apart than a team destined from the get-go to struggle to get to 60 wins.
 

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The part of this that I find tedious ("this" meaning the endless handwringing about ownership spending) is that for some fans, it appears that spending money is the only way for ownership to show they still love us (big daddy issues energy around this particular subject). I want the team to try to compete this year, as it seems like they aren't that far away and need a few tweaks. Do I care how they do it? I do not.

BTW the part of the Yamamoto thing that's tedious is the way this single decision has ground all other major offseason activity to a halt. Let's get on with it already.
 
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