I definitely could talk myself into Daniels if that's who they get. He's got electric stuff (if he was a pitcher) and I could see him being a game-changer right out of the gate. My concern would be whether or not he could withstand the punishment in the NFL with his style of play, so I worry about him as a long term stud.
Just my $0.02 but I think he's a much better decision maker than Maye and has excellent pocket presence despite his reputation and ability to run out of trouble.
there’s a number of QB’s listed at 6’1
The strategy with a short QB is usually:
I thought of that too (other QBs being 6'1") but it's not as though Purdy isn't mobile. He is and he still gets a lot of passes blocked. It's also about the "bigger, stronger, faster" thing in the NFL, which applies to the defensive linemen as well as any other position. Still, a 6'3 guy is only 2.74% taller than a 6'1 guy, doesn't sound like much. Caleb is listed as 6'1 also, right? So, you design more pass plays where the QB rolls out. We got so used to our tall QB, TB12, whose main problem as a pocket passer was DLmen getting pressure up the middle, not blocked passes.
That's right about value I'd say. I also wouldn't do it probably, as it leaves you in QB no man's land (the whole reason MIN wants to trade up). Also, I think 11 is after the tier break to me, or at least the offensive players in tier 1 are gone.
Fair point about the tier 1 guys. #11 is about as far back as I’d be willing to go, but I think there’s a fair chance one or two fall. Assuming these are your tier 1 offensive players:
Hard no.
Do that trade, but instead of Penix, get the best available tackle, and then bring in Russell Wilson on a league minimum deal. You're immediately better at QB, WR, TE, have an additional 1st and 2nd down the road, and still plenty of FA money to spread around.
This is my thinking as well. Either home run swing on a QB early in round 1 or take a long shot in rounds 5-7 and basically resign yourself to a 5win (at best) season while you kick the QB decision down the road
+1. This is not a one-year rebuild, so I'd be looking to arbitrage the shit out of that #3 pick, not just take a swing at the third best QB because QB. We're desperate for talent at LT, TE, WR among other positions. If Jackson Powers-Johnson is sitting there in Round 2, I don't care that we have David Andrews. JPJ is a stud, and I'm about drafting studs.
And David Andrews is basically at the end as well. Center is probably a need too.
I think it's fine to decide you don't like the 3rd best QB and trade down.
They can restock a lot from this draft by trading down a few times. Draft is super deep in those 2nd-4th positions and reasonably deep at some others. And this team won 4 games last year and has many holes, particularly on offense. It's an approach.
This is effectively where I'm at too. Have to come out of the draft with a QB plan. There are different ways to skin the cat, but there has to be a solution the franchise believes in. Maybe this is misplaced, but I'm encouraged they will do this with the new management. With BB it would be more up in the air because he always had something up his sleeve or a strong (and well deserved) self belief that he could coach up talent at all positions. (See the rumors around Mayfield from last year.) I think the new guys will invest in talent because they have to. It will look more like a typical rebuild. Draft QB, OT, WR...fill in the rest.
They have Jake, right? I know he took some G reps late in the season, but I imagine that a lot of his time was spent at the C
I’d do that trade in a heartbeat if I was the Pats, but I cant see the Vikings offering that. If anything, wouldn‘t they want to trade Justin Jefferson? He’s about to get insanely expensive and I believe has gone on record as saying he wants to be the highest paid non-QB in the league, and has said he wont consider an extension until he knows what the QB situation is.
Can't go up against elite teams anymore? Just this past season (2023) he beat:
Why would NE want to sink the highest amount of money in the league into a WR without a QB?
I wasn’t saying I would do the trade if JJ were involved-in fact I probably wouldn’t unless an extension was worked out ahead of time.
Fair point!
Meh, it's a pretty good list to me, I don't see anyone outside the top 10 I particularly think should be in it, the bottom 8 seems right and the messy middle is the messy middle.
He also led the NFL with 4 4th Quarter comebacks (also had 4 game winning drives), with a terrible roster, and he's better playing outside in the elements than he is in a dome (which matters in the AFC East moreso than anywhere else).
I think 2 and 3 are a tier but I could definitely see the argument Allen is better than Jackson.
Fair enough that you can nitpick any list any many of these guys are kind of interchangeable. But a few of these just seem to be bold takes for the sake of bold takes sort of rankings. Like a 36-year-old Stafford at #5 or Anthony Richardson ahead of Jalen Hurts after playing four games, only one of which he was able to finish.
I think it's supposed to be primarily for next year, and heavily weights this year. Stafford was a monster this year and no reason to really think he won't be next year. Richardson is a bold take for sure, but.. Richardson was really good as a rookie and Hurts took a major step back from his career season. It's a lot of projection on skills when you're talking Richardson. At that point in the rankings it's all guesswork, those guys swing wildly year to year.
I think Turner is going to test out very well and be in the mix for Tennessee, Atlanta, Bears #9 or a trade up. Pass rush is always a premium skill, and Turner has all the speed, agility, and technique to get after the QB and break out to cover screens, sweeps, and other outside plays. The key will be strength and if teams think he can consistently set the edge against NFL OTs. My guess is that he been spending everyday on the bench and will do a lot of reps at the combine and/or pro day.
Titans are basically a lock for OT I think. But Atlanta (if they can't trade up for a QB) and CHI definitely both strong option for Turner.
I think Turner goes at #8 or #9. If the Falcons trade for Fields, which seems to be the expectation, then I imagine he goes 8 to ATL
If Alt is off the board but Odunze or Nabers is still around, I could see Tennessee potentially being tempted to add a dynamic playmaker. Their only skill position talent is old and declining
Maybe? I know a lot of analysts really don't believe in him at all. I forget who it was, but he said basically a Levis QB is the worst thing to have because you trick yourself into thinking the big arm is gonna raise his floor and you can teach him how to actually play QB. Basically all the stats for QBs say he was somewhere between the mid 20s and early 30s in the league last year (QBR, Rate, ANY/A, PFF grade, etc.). He's got a big arm and there are some fun highlights, but..... he would need to get a lot better at a lot of things to be a good starter.
I think Nabers is a fit but I am not sure about Odunze. The receivers that they have invested the most capital in, Hop and Treylon, are both very similar to Odunze. Bigger guys that don't get a ton of separation but can catch jump balls and contested passes.
This sounds like a lot of fun, I'd be willing to draft for a team or two.
I wonder if a draft like some of the ones we used to do on the board would have more participants... basically you ask who is interested, split the teams among those people then have them draft in a thread, takes longer but also gets more people than a quick zoom.
That would be fun to follow. I'm surprised one of the draft sims doesn't allow something like this, where multiple people do the sim together (or maybe one does?).
