What about Williams?
Re: Maye versus Daniels, I know we have no idea who's a better choice, but I'd like the Patriots organization to be able to have its choice between the two. I'm assuming (hoping) that they know a lot more than we do.
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Re: Maye versus Daniels, I know we have no idea who's a better choice, but I'd like the Patriots organization to be able to have its choice between the two. I'm assuming (hoping) that they know a lot more than we do.
Bingo. The 2 pick is better because the Patriots can choose who they want to choose. And those wins were utterly meaningless
I really hadn't until you mentioned them. But then I recalled how good both wins felt, and how satisfying it is to beat both of those teams. I don't think I would ever choose to not take a win against them along with the Colts and Ravens.
Great, to each his own. I liked the big wins in championship years much better, and I'd like to see some more of them.
They were never bad enough to suck into #1 unless someone in the org was actively trying. And even if they had, I'd like you to meet the Colts Dynasty, Starring Andrew Luck.
Andrew Luck was really good. We’d all be thrilled to get a QB of his caliber here.
How about... Baker Mayfield? Daniel Jeremiah reports that the Pats are in on Mayfield and then trade #3.
View: https://twitter.com/GregABedard/status/1764082998507434139?s=20
.@MoveTheSticks just said on @nflnetwork that he heard in Indy "don't sleep on the Patriots" in regards to Baker Mayfield. And then No. 3 is up for sale.
View: https://twitter.com/GregABedard/status/1764082998507434139?s=20
.@MoveTheSticks just said on @nflnetwork that he heard in Indy "don't sleep on the Patriots" in regards to Baker Mayfield. And then No. 3 is up for sale.
If they sign Mayfield, why wouldn't they take Harrison at 3? Or would they trade down just a few spots and get another top WR?
That makes zero sense. If you go for Mayfield, then you use the #3 to draft Harrison or Alt. That Jeremiah concludes the 3 is up for sale is BS, which tells me they aren't in on Mayfield either.
They were a 4 win team that was a hair from being a 2 win team. I'd take Andrew Luck, way better than Mac Suck.
Or still take a QB without being forced to start him day 1. But yeah, doesn't make sense to sell #3 because they brought in Baker Mayfield. He ain't the future.
I don't know see it with Baker, feels like his agent asked someone to make some noise about team's with a ton of cap to get the most out of TB
I'd totally take Mayfield, trade down, and stock up. Mayfield plus, say, three (or even four?) picks in the top 34 would be sweet. But I doubt this is real.
What do you see that's different from others saying all are worth of top 3 picks and aren't just going top 3 because they're QBs?
Andrew Luck was really good. Not his fault Indy forgot to support him with other players.
Yeah--the most important asset to building according to many is a QB on a rookie deal. If you like a QB at 3 you take him. The rest of this is nonsense.
He was really good. Four playoff seasons. At some point on another he beat every team in the conference. Well, except Pittsburgh, who he only played against once. Oh, and New England, who he only faced six times.
I’m pretty much at the point where of Maye and Daniels, I want the one that we’re not currently rumored to have available at #3
gonna be a long couple months
gonna be a long couple months
It could make sense if there's another team that really wants Maye/Daniels and you can still get Odunze or Nabers by dropping a few spots. I don't think passing on the rookie QB is the prudent move, but if they do it I would like to see them squeeze all the value they can out of #3.
If they were to bring in Mayfield and a rookie WR, then go get Evans and spend the rest of their cap they'd be competitive right away. (Not elite but in the mix for the playoffs.) They'd also blow their cap and limit their long term ceiling.
I'm tired of WRs on the wrong side of 30. Pass on Evans for this rebuilding team.
Have to say it would be funny if the Pats fired Bill then enacted his rumored offseason plan a year late at a much much higher cost
Another reason they probably won't do it. I'm pretty confident BB would have gotten 10-11 wins out of Mayfield-led team, kept improving and retired on a much better note.
Mayfield and Evans and the 7th best D in the NFL (by points allowed) barely managed to be over .500 in a horrendous division
If the Pats signed him, he’d be a bottom 5-6 AFC QB. How many QB’s in the AFC is 2024 Mayfield likely to be better than? Raiders, Broncos, Steelers (presumably). Maybe Richardson, Levis and healthy (?) Watson. He’s certainly worse than Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Stroud and likely worse than Rodgers and Tua.
I just don’t see how spending a third of their cap space on a guy who is likely to be the worst QB in their division and below average in their conference is a good idea.
Maye makes some thunderingly baffling decisions. Some of them border on Macesque. On the bright side he at least has a cannon arm. Daniels has an extremely reckless running style, and that’s instinctual. I’m not sure that can be waved away with an “They’ll coach that out of him”. Even big guys that run like that get injured on a regular basis. At Daniels build he’s going to hit his Cam Newton in New England phase before he’s 30. And I’m not overly impressed with the arm talent. When I look at all the QBs in the league I’m having a hard time seeing him displace a bunch of them to become a top 8 QB.
By contrast Williams has the arm talent to make all the throws and really no matter where he is. When he rolls out you still need to defend everywhere. So I can see CW becoming a top 5 QB. He’s worth the investment. He’s the guy that’s going to make those Day 3 WRs look like real NFL talent.
Penix's team was pretty damn stacked on offense too. His two tackles will be drafted, one very high. One of his WRs will be a stud, and two others will be playing on Sundays most likely too.
I was somewhat high on Penix weeks ago, and spending some time looking at him harder changed that. That team has a couple of players on defense too. Some recruiting was done there.
Not that playing with good teammates is disqualifying, but he's an example of someone who did...play with future pros.
College Joe Burrow played with elite talent too...and his skills translated to the NFL. College Mac Jones...you know the rest. Hard to say. Hope for the best. Don't overthink. Draft Maye/Daniels.
Stroud played with Smith-Njigba, Olave, Harrison, Garrett Wilson and Emeka Ebuka
Hurts had CeeDee Lamb (and Pickett had Addison for the opposite example)
I don’t think quality of receiver means much unless you’re box score scouting. The throws Penix and Daniels have made their name upon arent their receivers bailing them out or making crazy plays on the ball. They just happen to be on the receiving end of good throws a lot of the time.
It should also be noted that no one was talking about Brian Thomas as a 1st rounder or Malik Nabers as a possible top 5/6 pick before Daniels broke out this year and yet nobody is saying they’re only good because they have Daniels throwing them the ball.
So reports are the Patriots met with 5 QBs at the combine, as you'd expect they met the top 3:
WIlliams
Daniels
Maye
Then 2 of the others: McCarthy and Nix.
Did not meet with Michael Penix.
WIlliams
Daniels
Maye
Then 2 of the others: McCarthy and Nix.
Did not meet with Michael Penix.
Penix struggles under pressure, the injury history is a mile long too.
They did talk with Penix in Mobile however.
Penix did pass all medical tests at the combine.
There is no such thing as "passing" unless you mean they didn't find a career ending heart issue or cancer.
Penix said he thought they went well, nobody will know what each team thinks. Penix has had 2 ACL repairs, whether your team's doctors are comfortable with those and the damage around it (cartilage, etc.) is going to vary and be a sliding scale.
Passing medical tests at the combine isn’t the same as having your team doctor give you an evaluation which may lead to him being on/off your board.
yeah, I was just pointing out, "passing" doesn't really mean much, Rappaport said that because that's what his agent wanted said. There are a few things on medicals that might stop your ability to play (usually heart issues), otherwise you "pass", medicals are much more complex and each team will have their own interpretation and risk allowances.
This is hilarious:
View: https://twitter.com/GlobeChadFinn/status/1765039908228596007?s=20
Ryan Leaf says on the Dan Patrick Show that he sees Drake Maye as “a second-round guy.”
View: https://twitter.com/GlobeChadFinn/status/1765039908228596007?s=20
Ryan Leaf says on the Dan Patrick Show that he sees Drake Maye as “a second-round guy.”
Latest mock in The Athletic has them trading down with Atl and picking Alt
https://theathletic.com/5314966/2024/03/05/nfl-mock-draft-2024-jayden-daniels-quarterbacks/
https://theathletic.com/5314966/2024/03/05/nfl-mock-draft-2024-jayden-daniels-quarterbacks/
Alt is a good player but this return is not enough for me. I'd ask for more '25 picks. Stockpiling picks in general is fine but this doesn't maximize value. I think you would need the equivalent of 3 R1s to go this far back in this draft.
And Fields wants to go to Atlanta from all the reports. So I don't think that's a likely target for the Pats at this point. If we trade out of #3 and don't address our QB position that's a real fail.
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This reminds me of an old Chris Rock bit that went something like “I got my AIDS test. Passed, with a 65.”
Drake Maye come on down!
https://www.thecoldwire.com/jayden-daniels-camp-reportedly-wants-to-avoid-1-team/
I hate this stuff. And who knows how real it is. But Kleiman and Perry aren't completely uninformed.
https://www.thecoldwire.com/jayden-daniels-camp-reportedly-wants-to-avoid-1-team/
I hate this stuff. And who knows how real it is. But Kleiman and Perry aren't completely uninformed.
I’m sure that some family members that like to talk to reporters that live in San Bernardino would rather him drop to 4 and play in Arizona. I doubt it matters much to the player.
Players complaining about cold weather are so ridiculous.
You’ll spend August thru (in a great year) early February playing probably 2-3 REALLY cold home games. Foxboro, outside of some freak storm front, is generally fairly moderate until mid-November.
The rest of the time you’ll mostly be practicing in a bubble when it’s awful outside. So I have a hard time buying complaints about “weather” really coming down to football.
What’s more apparent to me is that what the player is really concerned about - when it goes so far that your family/friends/group is leaking it to the media - is nice weather on Friday and Saturday night, or worse, weekday nights in-season.
In that case, you’re not prioritizing games on Sunday the way you should be. What does any serious quarterback, trying to win championships and compete with the best quarterbacks in the world, really plan to do after practice during football season? Or on weekend nights before Sunday games?
You have mid-February through most of July to do whatever you want. Nearly half the year. In what’ll likely be a ~10-year career (if things are going well) that sets you up financially for life. If “the weather” is a huge concern , how is anyone supposed to believe football is your #1 priority?
Again, it could be nothing. Maybe he was being genuine when he said it would be dope to play in NE. But I’m a believer that these things don’t leak around draft time for no reason.
You’ll spend August thru (in a great year) early February playing probably 2-3 REALLY cold home games. Foxboro, outside of some freak storm front, is generally fairly moderate until mid-November.
The rest of the time you’ll mostly be practicing in a bubble when it’s awful outside. So I have a hard time buying complaints about “weather” really coming down to football.
What’s more apparent to me is that what the player is really concerned about - when it goes so far that your family/friends/group is leaking it to the media - is nice weather on Friday and Saturday night, or worse, weekday nights in-season.
In that case, you’re not prioritizing games on Sunday the way you should be. What does any serious quarterback, trying to win championships and compete with the best quarterbacks in the world, really plan to do after practice during football season? Or on weekend nights before Sunday games?
You have mid-February through most of July to do whatever you want. Nearly half the year. In what’ll likely be a ~10-year career (if things are going well) that sets you up financially for life. If “the weather” is a huge concern , how is anyone supposed to believe football is your #1 priority?
Again, it could be nothing. Maybe he was being genuine when he said it would be dope to play in NE. But I’m a believer that these things don’t leak around draft time for no reason.
English soccer fans have a phrase for all the rumors & bs around player movement - it’s silly season.
Did this come from Daniel’s? From someone close to Daniel’s? From his agent? From a source in a rival team trying to play an angle? From someone in Foxboro trying to tamp down excitement about Daniels? Or just more poorly sourced bs meant to carry water and generate clicks?
Who knows? It’s silly season. And it’s not worth the effort to figure out why some some people want to act so silly.
Did this come from Daniel’s? From someone close to Daniel’s? From his agent? From a source in a rival team trying to play an angle? From someone in Foxboro trying to tamp down excitement about Daniels? Or just more poorly sourced bs meant to carry water and generate clicks?
Who knows? It’s silly season. And it’s not worth the effort to figure out why some some people want to act so silly.
This is 100% the type of post that does not belong here. EEI level nonsense at best and we are better than this.