I’m obviously on the positive, no where but up side at this point.
This is ultimately tied to budget as well. A zero cost Jansen or Martin at the deadline, assuming one of them is dealing, could definitely yield better than meh. Add a little something extra from our prospect bin to sweeten as necessary.
Yeah, holding him for a possible deadline trade or to help the Sox make the playoffs seems to make far more sense.
Jansen and Martin might be expensive but they still are good… but age risk is a factor. Not that it’s the end all be all bullpen stat but the had 29 blown saves in 2022 and only 16 in 2023. Nothing worse than coughing up a game late… especially when the team isn’t very good.
Perhaps read the thread first before posting? It has already been decided the Sox will not be good. Yeesh.
Dodgers are? They have Yamamoto, Glassnow, Miller, and Paxton plugged in as definite starters. Im guessing Kershaw comes back, that’s five solid starters. Then they also have Gonsolin, Buehler, and May all coming off injuries. That seems like a ton of depth right there and we haven’t even got into prospects like Stone, Fasso, Knack, and Hurt who are all ready to make the jump. I was actually thinking their outfield needed the most help now and going forward. They seem to have a solid closer and set up man but maybe they could use Martin, pitching at the single A level, and a outfield prospect. I’d target either Fasso or Stone.
Frasso is out for the season with labrum surgery, just announced a few days ago.
Yea, this list actually is my point. That’s a ton of injury and performance risk. Having someone who is durable and performed at a high level in the second half like Pivetta would make a ton of sense.
A Red Sox comp for the Mariners package for Santos is probably Abreu and Winkowski, make of that what you will.
And you even forgot probable #5 starter (and one of my favorites): Emmet Sheehan
I guess I'd want to know why Santos' elbow hurt last season. If he's healthy, it's a nice trade for both sides. The CWS plucked him off waivers from the Giants a year ago and turned him into something. Or more importantly, gave him the runway to turn himself into something, which is a subject that has gotten debated around here recently.
For reference, Pivetta is a good example of a projected middle of the order guy.
Yep, I figure Chicago knows something about the injury, because otherwise it seemed like an odd choice on their part to move five years of a good reliever for basically two spare parts and a literal lotto ticket.
FWIW, the reported return for Luzardo in the Marlins/Royals trade that fell through this offseason was Vinnie Pasquantino.
Well they are also trading all the way out of a short term competitive window, in favor of something down the line. But the return seems low enough that both teams are probably thinking he's fine but might miss 2 years at some point, and nobody's betting their life savings on anything more.
If Luzardo was actually available for solely someone on the Pasquantino/Duran level, I don't find it especially credible that he wouldn't have been moved yet to some team unless something is really wrong with him.
My guess is that the LAD will need that 6th starter or a weekly bullpen game as YY needs a week off between starts.
Pasquantino is closer to Casas than Duran, or at least he was before the injury.
I just wonder if the Dodgers would be one of the few inclined to trade a near ready pitching prospect. They have no one else ready to step in but Pages in the outfield and might have to rely on heavy minutes from Peralta or Bey. I’d take Pages in a heartbeat if they were willing, who replaces Pivetta though?
I must have been out sick the day they adopted the NFL-type draft picks for a trade in MLB. When did they institute that?
Competitive balance picks can be traded - and only once. A typical pick (ie, a team's first round pick) cannot.
Only the competitive balance draft picks can be traded - not just any draft pick. So, first you have to have one. It was more recent - someone else probably knows the exact year.
Agreed.
I don't get this take, at all. He said something that, as a fan, I'm glad he is saying. He's not a dishonest guy, so this must be true, which is good news. What's the problem?
Have a conversation with Sam. One. You will find him to be engaging and helpful. He won’t give away any confidential info but will let you know that improvement efforts are in the works. You really want Breslow at the Truck Day event?
'Closing in' seems aggressive based on the link. That said, I don't expect him in Boston regardless.
If you’d like to facilitate one on one conversations with the entirety of the Red Sox fan base then perhaps Kennedy’s charm and warmth and intelligence and whatever other of his qualities you are outlining will come across to everyone. For now—and I say this as someone who is known to be a supporter of this ownership group and its front office—these qualities are not coming across.
Caleb Ferguson seems like a good get for MFY, especially at the price. The Red Sox can't even land a Turd Ferguson.
If Houck goes down, who is starting? Wink?
Right, and chrisfont9's point is Junis isn't any different than Whitlock and Houck and Crawford (I'd argue he's worse). If the need is quality starting pitchers (and I agree that it is), what is lost by not signing another guy who at best fits right in with the guys you have already decided aren't good enough? Jakob Junis isn't a great opportunity missed.
