And all accurate, I'm sure. He will deserve everything he gets for almost destroying the franchise.The hit pieces coming Kyrie's way are going to be epic I bet
And all accurate, I'm sure. He will deserve everything he gets for almost destroying the franchise.The hit pieces coming Kyrie's way are going to be epic I bet
As I pointed out, Smart's dramatic rise in shooting percentage was aided by him being assisted on more makes.If you want to take the best shooting year of Smarts' career as his norm now, I guess you can.
I'd like to see him do it again before claiming that's who he is as a shooter now.
Really weird to compare him as a shooter to Kemba. Who do you think faced more defensive pressure on his shots? The guy who the opponent didn't want to shoot, or the guy the opponent was begging to shoot?
I'm not sure I understand?Rozier would have to want Indy though because signing Kemba is predicated on renouncing his RFA rights, correct?
I like Smart a lot, and I'm bullish on his shooting going forward. But cmon, throwing out 3P% without context (# attempts, what types of 3s they are, etc) is beyond meaningless..422/.364/.806, with a .533 eFG%
.434/.356/.844, with a .511 eFG%
One of those guys can't shoot. The other is about to get $141 million from the Celtics. The one who can't shoot is one of the best defenders in the league.
Hopefully, Smart turned the corner on his shooting, and this past season wasn't a fluke. He was assisted on 69% of his makes this past season, and only 50% the season before. Smart should again benefit by playing next to a good scorer (if Kemba comes here), like he did this past season in the starting lineup with Kyrie.
They ever see him try to execute a simple pick and pop?Oh my
https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/1144307425794764800?s=21
The Knicks don't see Rozier as a big dropoff from Irving
Damnit, don’t jinx this, a Rozier for Robinson deal hangs In the balance!They ever see him try to execute a simple pick and pop?
Regardless of what you think Rozier could make he can't be used in a sign and trade if you're also signing Kemba or another max free agent. You have to renounce him first to make the money work. Also, when S&T comes into play you have to account for Base-year compensation and the apron, which you haven't in your proposed deal. That's a messy trade to make work.I'm not sure I understand?
I do think $14-16M/per would be a nice haul for Terry's advanced metrics.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01.html
Good point about BYC, which effectively cuts in half Rozier's salary from Boston's perspective for salary-matching purposes. So the trade wouldn't work for that reason alone, not to mention all the other reasons people have mentioned.Regardless of what you think Rozier could make he can't be used in a sign and trade if you're also signing Kemba or another max free agent. You have to renounce him first to make the money work. Also, when S&T comes into play you have to account for Base-year compensation and the apron, which you haven't in your proposed deal. That's a messy trade to make work.
Rozier’s cap hold would need to be renounced to finalize a Walker deal, but if Walker were deadest on coming here, as Hayward was a couple of summers ago, he could simply wait a couple of days for Boston to work out all the details.Regardless of what you think Rozier could make he can't be used in a sign and trade if you're also signing Kemba or another max free agent. You have to renounce him first to make the money work. Also, when S&T comes into play you have to account for Base-year compensation and the apron, which you haven't in your proposed deal. That's a messy trade to make work.
I’m not sure what this is in relation to, but Boston could move another salary in a New York trade. The Knicks are under the cap, so Boston could make Rozier and say Yabu to New York as separate deals thus opening up extra cap space for them to get to the full $32.7 million (and this is going to be necessary since they’re just short of the max at the moment).I thought you couldn't pair other players up in a trade with a guy you're signing and trading?
Is that outdated?
Rozier’s BYC if he signs for $14M per is $7M. Add in Jaylen ($6.5) + Yabu ($3M) and you’re already at $16.5M which is enough for Turner ($18M)Good point about BYC, which effectively cuts in half Rozier's salary from Boston's perspective for salary-matching purposes. So the trade wouldn't work for that reason alone, not to mention all the other reasons people have mentioned.
There is a reason sign-and-trades rarely happen - they get very complicated and require a lot of moving parts to all slot in perfectly.
Thanks. NBA Cap rules single-handedly keeping Tylenol in businessRegardless of what you think Rozier could make he can't be used in a sign and trade if you're also signing Kemba or another max free agent. You have to renounce him first to make the money work. Also, when S&T comes into play you have to account for Base-year compensation and the apron, which you haven't in your proposed deal. That's a messy trade to make work.
What details? What is the incentive for any team to trade picks for Rozier? Since taking back any player would eliminate the Celtics cap space to sign Kemba, what is the incentive for Rozier to agree to a S&T?Rozier’s cap hold would need to be renounced to finalize a Walker deal, but if Walker were deadest on coming here, as Hayward was a couple of summers ago, he could simply wait a couple of days for Boston to work out all the details.
they have enough space if they renounce. In fact they can keep one of Theis or Wanamaker's holds if they want.You might not understand what I’m saying, even with renouncing everyone’s rights they don’t have max space. So their primary motivation is to get the Knicks to agree to eat the last year of Yabu so as to not have to pay Rozier 20+ million per year.
Let me make sure I am understanding this.You might not understand what I’m saying, even with renouncing everyone’s rights they don’t have max space. So their primary motivation is to get the Knicks to agree to eat the last year of Yabu so as to not have to pay Rozier 20+ million per year.
Yeah this is predicated on a bunch of weird stuff.Let me make sure I am understanding this.
C's have slightly more than $66M in committed salaries, to which they must add Langford and Williams (~$5.8M combined) and 3 minimum roster holds ($2.7M), giving them a total of ~$75M if they renounce everything and everyone, which is enough for a max offer to Walker (maybe $1M-$1.5M to spare).
Now, if the trade is that the Celtics sign-and-trade Rozier (say he'll get $14M from the Knicks) and Yabu ($3.2) first, they get a $7M trade exception. I'm not sure how useful the trade exception will be, as I'm fairly certain they would have to renounce it to sign Walker. But they would still have around $4M or so of cap space, which may allow them to resign Theis for something above the vet minimum or find some other player on the open market.
No, even by renouncing everyone they have around $32.4 million, which is slightly less than max, this means that someone off the active roster either has to be dumped into empty space somewhere or Walker has to agree to a less than max deal with Boston. Boston won't be renouncing anyone unless Walker is willing to sign a deal, so New York can't actually even get Rozier until Boston straightens out their situation.Let me make sure I am understanding this.
C's have slightly more than $66M in committed salaries, to which they must add Langford and Williams (~$5.8M combined) and 3 minimum roster holds ($2.7M), giving them a total of ~$75M if they renounce everything and everyone, which is enough for a max offer to Walker (maybe $1M-$1.5M to spare).
Now, if the trade is that the Celtics sign-and-trade Rozier (say he'll get $14M from the Knicks) and Yabu ($3.2) first, they get a $7M trade exception. I'm not sure how useful the trade exception will be, as I'm fairly certain they would have to renounce it to sign Walker. But they would still have around $4M or so of cap space, which may allow them to resign Theis for something above the vet minimum or find some other player on the open market.
I have no idea where you are getting these numbers, if the Celtics renounce everyone they have 34.1M in cap space, every cap expert agrees. If they keep Theis they have appx. 33M in cap spaceNo, even by renouncing everyone they have around $32.4 million, which is slightly less than max, this means that someone off the active roster either has to be dumped into empty space somewhere or Walker has to agree to a less than max deal with Boston. Boston won't be renouncing anyone unless Walker is willing to sign a deal, so New York can't actually even get Rozier until Boston straightens out their situation.
Now the Knicks might indeed choose to screw up Boston's plans, but unless they think that's getting them Walker or Irving, what's the point? If their front office really does value Rozier as highly as the Post article claims, why wouldn't they want to pay Rozier market rates rather than the bloated salary they'd have to to force him out of Boston? I don't think that Rozier is going to have any problem with taking his talents to the Garden and playing in a huge market, but maybe he's determined to wait and see if there's anyone else willing to bid on him after the fact. But the Kelly Olynyk experience might give his agent pause.
It could well be true that New York's front office is actually governed by a manatee picking up beach balls out of a container, and the beach balls might indeed the Knicks that it's better to pay Terry Rozier 4/84 than market rates (Marcus Smart money) to save themselves the couple of million they'd have to spend on Yabu's buyout. But I suspect that somewhere there's a human being that will figure out that it's better to spend $54-$56 million than $84 million.
My number includes Semi, you are bad at math. Also your premise that Rozier takes less in a S&T is dumb.True, they could choose to dump Semi this summer, but unlike Yabu I suspect they still find him useful. It’s better to move the practice body into someone’s cap space. And it’s still easiest stapling him to Rozier. And I suspect that even the Knicks would prefer to spend $54-$56 million for Rozier than $80+ million. But you’re free to argue that the Knicks are eager to spend an extra $25-$30 million for a second round pick.
If they want Kemba they are. And without someone like Kemba, it's apparent Al doesn't see them as enough of contenders (not saying with Kemba he does).Are the Celts irrevocably out of the Al derby?
I would hate him going to the 76ers.
Heh. As some of the pieces claim the opposite while painting the picture of him being the scapegoat. Cedric Maxwell is one who spends an awful lot of time with the team who has as much if not more access than most of the people writing the Kyrie hit pieces. He stated very strongly that the dysfunction of that team, the one Danny threw together with mismatched parts, went far beyond Kyrie's ability to tear them down.And all accurate, I'm sure. He will deserve everything he gets for almost destroying the franchise.
People will think what they want but pinning the Celtics disappointing season and alleged locker room/chemistry issues on one person just seems overly simplistic on its surface.Heh. As some of the pieces claim the opposite while painting the picture of him being the scapegoat. Cedric Maxwell is one who spends an awful lot of time with the team who has as much if not more access than most of the people writing the Kyrie hit pieces. He stated very strongly that the dysfunction of that team, the one Danny threw together with mismatched parts, went far beyond Kyrie's ability to tear them down.
the Celtics want Kemba a lot more than they want Capela.So Philly want Al, the Rockets want Jimmy and the Celts want Capela...........
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?forums/blinded-by-the-lombardis-patriots-forum.129/How often have we seen sports teams or even other types of organizations who have such a strong culture that even supposed troublemakers become solid citizens?
You really should have included the "Just so you know"I do believe they fall under the umbrella of "sports team".
The Sacramento Kings are working towards an agreement with Harrison Barnes in the 4 year, 88 million dollar range.......
It’s evolution, but, it’s crazy how much specific information has been leaked this early.
Is it tampering if the guy is already on your team?It’s evolution, but, it’s crazy how much specific information has been leaked this early.
They have to had just said “to hell with the tampering fines.” Right? It will be petty if Silver fines someone for Tampering ever again after all this.
Someone should post an actually “Offseason Transaction Thread”
And maybe a new catch all Boston thread soon. This thread’s title is about as clear as the content in it.
Is it tampering if the guy is already on your team?
To keep someone in Sacramento, it isWell, Barnes was in Sacramento last season, so I don't think there's much tampering here.
It’s only tampering if the player is under contract with another team. The NBA isn’t going to even investigate tampering unless the team who has the player under contract files a formal complaint.Is it tampering if the guy is already on your team?
I’m sure he can find some Texas BBQ to feel all better.I'm sure Clint will feel great if he is still on the team next year
That’s a lot of money for Marcus Morris Sr. Jr.
Meh. Every offseason there are guys dangled in hopes of getting a top 15 player. And rarely do those deals ever get done yet somehow teams and players keep chugging along even with that knowledgeI'm sure Clint will feel great if he is still on the team next year
Kawhi Leonard
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27076486/sources-kawhi-requests-magic-buss-meetingwill speak to the Los Angeles Lakers in the next few days and has made a personal request that only owner Jeanie Buss and Magic Johnson, the team's former president of basketball operations, be involved in the meeting, sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith
I really wonder who that “source” could be....